Obama wins

Loli_Drizzle said:
Well, I guess I'll post this. considering no one else has.

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This is SOOOOOO good. It tells the whole story of this election.

I can't stand Obama at all, but he's no Stalin. Not even close. Obama won't kill someone who disagrees with him. He'll just arrest them. And although I don't like that either, it's wrong to compare him to a psycho like Stalin. Obama is smart and sane. He just uses those skills in ways I deem wrong. He's no murderer. And he definately isn't a terrorist.

Foreign countries liking Obama mean absolutely nothing to me. I could care less what other countries think. I don't care if the Europeans hate me because I'm American. If I'm successful, end of discussion.

I do believe Obama is a socialist. Whether he will get his policies across, I'm not sure. Employee free choice act (the bill he helped create) is a socialist-leaning doctrine. His healthcare plan of pitting government plans with private ones is also socialist-leaning. His tax plan isn't there yet. I hate it, but it's not socialist as anything over $150,000/year is still acceptable. If he lowers it any lower, it is socialist because the cost of living relative to the welfare benefits begin to get skewed.
 
I can't stand Obama at all, but he's no Stalin. Not even close. Obama won't kill someone who disagrees with him. He'll just arrest them.
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Oh wow

Do people really believe he's a Socialist/Islamic/Terrorist?

Are people really that dumb?
 
well he is a socialist lol

this doesn't really have to do with the election but it is godly
 
There are right wing nut jobs who think Obama is an islamic terrorist and on the other side there leftwing nutjobs who think Bush caused 9/11 and is the second coming of Hitler.

Both are idiots
 
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
 
flaw said:
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
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Like hell will I do any manditory community service in college until the government actually does something to help college students. That is bullshit. Tuition is skyrocketing while at the same time it is getting harder to get funding. Obama and the rest of Washington can kiss my ass if they expect me to do that. Seriously everyone is whining so they get their SS benefits or the banks get their bailouts but no one gives a crap about college students.
 
The reason why our education system fails is because the maority of people think like you. You don't want to pay higher taxes in order to achieve socialist ideals? Then you better be willing to contribute.

The fact of the matter is, you've been getting an artificially cheap education all your life, assuming you're a product of the public education system. You wouldn't be going to college if it weren't for your country's interest in everyone's education, unless you're rich enough to pay someone the true cost of education. To say that your government isn't doing anything for you is a slap in the face to every student out there that works hard, and KNOWS how lucky they are.
 
I'm glad that Obama won personally, we can't go any further downhill than we have presently with Dubya.
 
Actually I'm not an idiot I'm not one of those morons that whines about taxes. Our national debt is insane and I for one think the only way out is high taxes.

Like wise I am a college student pursuing a concurrent major (BS and BA) and I work 40 hours a week so don't give me some crap like I'm a spoiled child or something, because I'm paying my way. I never said I won't do community service because I do it every now and then, but I will be damned if the government is going to tell me I have to. All those bums in congress and the white house do nothing but bicker and give themselves pay raises. It's just like that crap about military students getting more benefits. Bush and McCain would always try to guilt trip people who didn't support the war by saying they don't support the troops yet they were opposed to a bill that would give military students more financial help should they decide to pursue a college education (the current aid is crap). But nooo they said it would make people leave the military early so they would want to give them those benefits. I refuse to anything of the sort you mention until the government gets its head out of the gutter and actually betters the country instead of ruining it.
 
whiff? The point about taxes has nothing to do with whining. It was there to illustrate not that you should pay more, but rather, that you HAVEN'T paid more. Just because you're paying for college (probably at a subsidized cost), doesn't mean you have paid the full cost of education. First of all, the fact that it is subsidized means that the somebody, probably the government, has already paid a significant portion of your bill for you. Second of all, I was talking about elementary to high school education which is more or less mandatory in America, of which you definitely have not paid the full cost of, and the community service is targeted at.

Say you work 40 hours a week. I'm assuming you're not working at like google or something 40 hours a week, so it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that most of that is going towards your own living costs unless your parents are paying for everything else.

If you are going to a state school, that's already the government helping you out. If you are going to a private school and not on grants or scholarship, you're probably taking out a student loan, which the government has also helped you out with. However, even if you work 40 hours a week, just to pay for college, you're looking at years, of debt before you pay off your loan. You haven't even paid for college, and you're saying you've paid your way out of all your schooling before college? Give me a break. I don't care how little time you think you have for community service, because clearly you are not at the margin where you must give up something necessary in order to do it. At that point, people just suck up the costs, and pay what they have to pay. Its because of people's refusal to pay the full cost of anything that we have to have government in the first place.
 
That's an excellent point. Only millionaires should be allowed to have higher education. Good thinking, Kotomi.
 
The underlying message was, 1 hour of community service a week is hardly a big deal, considering the fact that you got an education that you didn't pay for. I think that millionaires should pay for their education, and people that aren't millionaires should pay what they can. I hardly see anything wrong with the idea that people should pay for things that they receive.
 
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whiff? The point about taxes has nothing to do with whining. It was there to illustrate not that you should pay more, but rather, that you HAVEN'T paid more. Just because you're paying for college (probably at a subsidized cost), doesn't mean you have paid the full cost of education. First of all, the fact that it is subsidized means that the somebody, probably the government, has already paid a significant portion of your bill for you. Second of all, I was talking about elementary to high school education which is more or less mandatory in America, of which you definitely have not paid the full cost of, and the community service is targeted at.

Say you work 40 hours a week. I'm assuming you're not working at like google or something 40 hours a week, so it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that most of that is going towards your own living costs unless your parents are paying for everything else.

If you are going to a state school, that's already the government helping you out. If you are going to a private school and not on grants or scholarship, you're probably taking out a student loan, which the government has also helped you out with. However, even if you work 40 hours a week, just to pay for college, you're looking at years, of debt before you pay off your loan. You haven't even paid for college, and you're saying you've paid your way out of all your schooling before college? Give me a break. I don't care how little time you think you have for community service, because clearly you are not at the margin where you must give up something necessary in order to do it. At that point, people just suck up the costs, and pay what they have to pay. Its because of people's refusal to pay the full cost of anything that we have to have government in the first place.
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You clearly missunderstood me. I said I am paying for my college education. The only federal help I am getting is the government subsidizing some of my loans YIPPIE. My parents aren't helping me with anything I even bought my plane ticket and went alone. My pay goes to cost of living expenses and to pay the rest of my college fees. I haven't even paid this semester off yet because I'm still short.

Also another reason I am irritated is how much money the government just wastes on stupid things. It is getting to the point where fewer and fewer people are going to college because it is just to expensive. So who are you to judge what I should be doing when it is evident by the way you act that you aren't in the same situation as me.
 
Maybe it's not evident because I don't try to convince myself that I somehow deserve to have a slice of everyone else's pie, or maybe I don't believe that there is a certain way to act when you are poor. But it is in very bad taste to not be grateful for what you are given. I went through the public school system and am attending a very good college right now on scholarships and grants because there is no way that I would be able to pay for it myself. If the government wasn't there for me, I wouldn't be here. TWO HOURS of community service a week IS NOWHERE NEAR what I value the opportunity given to me. Therefore I don't bitch when the government asks for just a little bit back in return for what I got, to an end that I clearly agree with. They are not asking me for more than they gave me, just for a little bit of the surplus that I received back in return, so that they can continue giving to other people that need education.

I come from a background that highly values education, like most immigrants do. That's why it pains me immensely when you pretty much say that you're "free" education isn't worth 100 hours of community service over a year, while its not even the case that you don't have the time since you are posting on a video game forum. That is all I have to say, and it is unfortunate to me that you think that somehow it is required for poor people to act as if they have no class, because I highly doubt that I'm the only poor person in this world that thinks this way. Or maybe I'm just pretentious and have a twisted sense of fairness that relies on some sort of concept of equivalent exchange. Call me bourgeois if you want, this kind of elitism I am not ashamed of in anyway. If you want to argue more about this, send a PM.

This happens to be one of the few things I agree with Obama on. Without service, people start to lose the value of community. The world is just a worse place when that is the case.
 
I'm just curious you say we don't pay for education but then where does the money come from? China, a money tree? Seriously people pay taxes and the government goes and blows them on a stupid war or they have all their porkbarrel projects. Granted alot of money doesn't come from taxing the poor but it is still a significant amount. If you want manditory community service then it shouldn't just be reserved for young people. Also you say I have time to post in a forum but is it so wrong for me to have freetime. I'm sorry with every minute of my free time should I be slaving away to see what I can do for my community. I mean god forbid I should have an hour to myself.
 
Plume said:
I love it whenever people say that. It makes you guys sound like you're jealous of Canada, and you don't even seem to realize it. This image is further strengthened by the fact that this sentence is getting really popular in the lands of the rednecks.
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We're not jealous of Canada, Canada is just jealous of us because we're so great!

NO YOU SHUT UP!
 
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