Raphael General Discussion / Q&A

I agree that Raph is very linear, and that it is a weakness; however, Raph has always been linear, and that has always been his weakness. Keep in mind that 2A tracks, 66A tracks, throws track SE A tracks 8A+B tracks, etc. If someone knows how to deal with prep rush (which is terrible in this game) then don't use it. If they don't know what to do, then dominate the bajeesus out of them.

It is frustrating, and hard, I agree, and I don't play it to have fun, really, but I play it to be the best. Losing happens, losing to people that are worse than me also happens, but I gotta just suck it up, figure out wtf I did wrong, and try not to do it anymore. I keep tellign myself to use more 2A, more 8A+B, use 6K instead of 8K, stay the fuck out of prep - gotta change all the things I did in 4 (and other previous games) that are not as good and need to figure out new things, where necessary. Do I wanna ChaCha my controller across the room? Yes, very often, but I haven't yet, because I don't wanna lose $60 bucks (especially since I just had everything stolen out of my car, ghey).

TL;DR - Be patient, and you'll figure it out - there is no easy button on Raph.
 
Competitive fighting games aren't new, everyone who pick one up should know what they're getting themselves into. You do not pick up fighting games for instant gratification, the same way you do not pick up chess if you wanted pretty graphics and a storyline. The point for fighting games IS to struggle and overcome. It's not meant to always be fun or easy, but it IS meant to be rewarding if you pay your dues like you have to in life.

Balance in a fighting game does NOT mean that every character should have an easy tool for every situation in the game. The whole point of games is to give different characters strengths and weaknesses to see if player skill can compensate for the difference between the two. All the characters in this game you 'think' are so much better than Raph have their own problems as well.
 
Damn, I still haven't got the chance to play this game. Gah. Probably next week >_<

Let's talk about JG... what are his best options after a successful JG?
Should JG be a core aspect of his defensive game?
How hard / how reliable is JG in terms of consistency?
 
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Runemaster said:
Damn, I still haven't got the chance to play this game. Gah. Probably next week >_<

Let's talk about JG... what are his best options after a successful JG?
Should JG be a core aspect of his defensive game?
How hard / how reliable is JG in terms of consistency?
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Arn't JGs dependent on the move you JG against ?
 
I haven't been able to master jG yet. Maybe after I get more comfortable with Raph's gameplay I'll spend a week working on just jG.
 
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Wouldn't a better question be : What is raph's best guaranteed combo off a GI ?
 
After hearing comments that JG will make GI obsolete I just thought.. why don't just focus on JG instead?
But as I've said, I haven't play the game yet so I don't know how reliable JG is in terms of consistency.
 
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I dont know you have that built in QS before the move actually comes out which makes it slow.
 
piggy said:
I agree that Raph is very linear, and that it is a weakness; however, Raph has always been linear, and that has always been his weakness. Keep in mind that 2A tracks, 66A tracks, throws track SE A tracks 8A+B tracks, etc. If someone knows how to deal with prep rush (which is terrible in this game) then don't use it. If they don't know what to do, then dominate the bajeesus out of them.

It is frustrating, and hard, I agree, and I don't play it to have fun, really, but I play it to be the best. Losing happens, losing to people that are worse than me also happens, but I gotta just suck it up, figure out wtf I did wrong, and try not to do it anymore. I keep tellign myself to use more 2A, more 8A+B, use 6K instead of 8K, stay the fuck out of prep - gotta change all the things I did in 4 (and other previous games) that are not as good and need to figure out new things, where necessary. Do I wanna ChaCha my controller across the room? Yes, very often, but I haven't yet, because I don't wanna lose $60 bucks (especially since I just had everything stolen out of my car, ghey).

TL;DR - Be patient, and you'll figure it out - there is no easy button on Raph.
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sorry about your car.

ralph doesn't lack good moves, he just lacks damage and again is linear. 2A isn't a bad move, but it has next to no range.

and if you are going to avoid prep it seems kinda pointless playing him! That's his shtick. Without that any character is going to be rather dull.
 
It was schtick in calibur 4, but could be used. In this game, it is just a death trap, unless you are super smart with it. His new schtick is space control - learn to love it.

Also...his name is Raph - no "l" :-p
 
scV raph has so many redundant moves and lack of tools that i really doubt they tested it very well..

He doesn t need damage, he is just boring as hell to play with and against and even to watch turning us into a prediction machine.

Some of his tools are so bad that can be used as aestethic tools but a simple step would be a better choice for us leaving us with acouple of attacks and lot of inconsistent aGI and such.


@fendante don t ask why we play raph...
ScIV raph was a superior range poke and punish and lot of fun even without being strong.....
IN ScV its a new entity.....having past strengths neutered.

we aren't for sure top tier whore........but if something wrong,, denial won t make it namco notice it.

I want him fixed I don t care if i win or lose but for god s sake i want to use the whole moveset not only for aestethic purpose....i want effective non redundant tools i don t even care for damage.

Look at raph vids and see for yourself....


And i turn your question:
Why raph lost so many users in scV despite having already few? (for IVY its obvious but not for raph)
 
I'm not suggesting people use prep all the time. Obviously any move incorrectly is going to be a problem.

What i'm saying is that's his shtick. If he's been so changed that it's now useless then really he doesn't offer much incentive to be chosen as a character.
 
All the Raph mains are still using him and he's even being tried out by quite a few tournament players who never bothered with him before. I use lots of different moves with him and I have a lot of fun experimenting with how to make effective in every situation. Raph is not an easy or simple character, it does not make him a bad or poorly designed character. You wouldn't have nearly as many problems with the character if you didn't waste time worrying about what he may or may not have and just practiced instead. And if at the end of the day you just don't like how he plays in this game, then go play a different character that's more to your liking.

I play with a lot of Calibur people, some veterans and some new. All recognize Raph's strengths in this game.
 
In my country we had 3 very good raph players (one did well in intetrantional competitions also).
Now afaik i am the last raph player.

And yes i admit i suck at experimenting, but i am good in putting together tools in a strategy.
And i still see just a way to play raph

2K, 22B, 22A, throw...plus random use of one of his unreliable tools on prediction and 6BB punish the few occasion opponent doesn t follow THE pattern.


That excluding few matchups.
We will see how raph will do in competitions then....


P.S: i don t waste time complaining when i could train.
if i could i would be playing.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of very good raphael players. I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

I don't know, maybe it's this version of the game. While it looks incredible and the online is, for onmce, pretty slick, it's a bit underwhelming. SC was always a game that had a lot of background and depth, even if just in terms of story and character (even for a video game). But this seems to lack all that. The offline content isn't really enough to sustain interest. 3 characters with mimic movesets, one character slot still empty because he's a preorder bonus (i do not care for that kind of thing) and while I don' tmind removing or changing characters, removing Zas Amy and Setsuka (even though her moveset is still here, apparently) makes no sense at all. The character creation seems to be held back so they can sell us more options as DLC. It's not a bad game, it just feels rather flat.
 
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I'm not suggesting people use prep all the time. Obviously any move incorrectly is going to be a problem.

What i'm saying is that's his shtick. If he's been so changed that it's now useless then really he doesn't offer much incentive to be chosen as a character.
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Sure, prep is his schtick - and it'll work as long as you use it as such. Spam the crap out of it against terrible players, and you will dominate them. Spam it against players better than you and you will lose most of the time, at least you'll know where you stand. We realize that Raph isn't top tier in this game, this is why we have discussion about his move set, what to use and when, how to best use the tools he DOES have (8A+B, 4A+B, 2A, 1K, 6K etc.) in an effort to play as well as we possibly can.

This is a general discussion thread, not a piss and moan thread. We know Raph isn't great, we know he is linear, the discussions on this board will be about noting and overcoming these weaknesses as well as improving as players - not crying salty tears of sadness.
 
Just because Prep is his signature ability doesn't mean he's supposed to spam it in a match. Astaroth is a throw character but he can't just run up and grab without setting it up, and it doesn't make him any worse as a character.
 
no its not like that...
I start with the fact that the same existence of tiers is wrong.
Balance should be the ultimate goal in any FG if possible.

Said that i am not complaining raph is not strong......i am saying we got less of the same in scV.

I don t think old 44AB was nor too strong or broken......yet they nerfed the hell out of it.
Same for 33KB (this most due to the new mechanics its lot harder to use)
And most of all general RANGE <=== we lost this strength.
AB is lot worse now also.

Is it so wrong trying to discover what s wrong with raph so next patch maybe we can have namco not overlook him again ?
This unless you think raphael is good and fun as it is.....(=/= effective)

In that case you can really think i am complaining about nothing....
 
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