Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

Rikuto said:
Marie Rose isn't a 9 frame jabber thats plus or neutral (which is effectively plus for most of the cast) on every thing.

Pai is set up in DOA so that every action allows her to continue attacking, and to hell with whatever the enemy wants to do because it can take a backseat to her demands. Stuns after throws, okizeme pressure after hard knockdowns, advantage after block, whatever.

She doesn't get a lot of guarantees, but considering she dictates absolutely everything else, why in gods name should she?
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i'm not even gonna go into the specifics of why your points aren't accurate. Codemaster would probably be able to elaborate but i can tell this debate will get no where. but i'm guessing you don't fully understand Pai or the details of how she works. you nor Windstar for that matter :P
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
i'm not even gonna go into the specifics of why your points aren't accurate. Codemaster would probably be able to elaborate but i can tell this debate will get no where. but i'm guessing you don't fully understand Pai or the details of how she works. you nor Windstar for that matter :P
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You're not going to go into the specifics of the character's meta because you don't have the knowledge to do so. Codemaster, if anything, is a shining example of how much of a control freak Pai can be. The only way to keep him from locking you down permanently is to be constantly pro-active in your evasion and neutral gambles. If you start blocking the battle is basically lost, unless you guess right on every single hold.

That's the power Pai has. She forces you to play a dangerous defense instead of a reactive defense. There are a LOT of people who are not comfortable with that and will lose right out of the gate.
 
i'm not going into specifics because it'd be a waste of time and effort. i can see your mind is already made up. and that's a pretty bold statement for you to say i don't have character knowledge even though you clearly don't know who i play or how i play or even who i am. based on your words i've concluded that anything i say, whether factual or not, will not be accepted by you and you will stand by your word. THAT is why i'm not going to waste my time going into character specifics.

well, i'm done with this dead end topic and would like to move on. you may reply if you want to but i won't reply back. i'll wait for someone else to start a new topic unless i come across something and start one myself.
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
i'm not going into specifics because it'd be a waste of time and effort.
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Why is discussion considered a waste of time and effort? lol

Rikuto isn't being a dick, he's simply saying what he knows from experience and discussing it with you.

0VincentRayne0 said:
that's a pretty bold statement for you to say i don't have character knowledge even though you clearly don't know who i play or how i play or even who i am.
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Please drop the high and mighty pedestal act bro. Seriously.

0VincentRayne0 said:
based on your words i've concluded that anything i say, whether factual or not, will not be accepted by you and you will stand by your word. THAT is why i'm not going to waste my time going into character specifics.
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What did you say, exactly? Aside from insults? Rikuto was just discussing Pai with you. Even I know his basis is correct just from watching Codemaster and some japanese players play her in DOA5/DOA5U. If you feel he's incorrect then say why, share your knowledge keep the discussion going. Explaining character specifics isn't a waste of time, lol. Either you can do it or you can't.

0VincentRayne0 said:
well, i'm done with this dead end topic and would like to move on. you may reply if you want to but i won't reply back. i'll wait for someone else to start a new topic unless i come across something and start one myself.
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The topic is dead because you killed it. It was going until you decided to reply to Rikuto the way you did.

Anyway, just stopped by to drop this off; http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/pedestal-mentality-how-it-hurts-the-fgc.4336/page-2#post-171757
 
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Yeah, I was actually looking to learn something. I understand what Rikuto is saying but I don't understand how you believe he's wrong, VR.
 
HajinShinobi said:
Why is discussion considered a waste of time and effort? lol

Rikuto isn't being a dick, he's simply saying what he knows from experience and discussing it with you.



Please drop the high and mighty pedestal act bro. Seriously.



What did you say, exactly? Aside from insults? Rikuto was just discussing Pai with you. Even I know his basis is correct just from watching Codemaster and some japanese players play her in DOA5/DOA5U. If you feel he's incorrect then say why, share your knowledge keep the discussion going. Explaining character specifics isn't a waste of time, lol. Either you can do it or you can't.



The topic is dead because you killed it. It was going until you decided to reply to Rikuto the way you did.

Anyway, just stopped by drop this off; http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/pedestal-mentality-how-it-hurts-the-fgc.4336/page-2#post-171757
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WOW!
Im speechless...now really!
I dont either get why VR was bashing like this...Flamebaits are always a bad decision...especially in a community/thread/forum which lives so long.
But i think Shinobi already told everything in his post.
-A-
 
Windstar said:
45 games and 10 wins today. Ended up fighting some high ranking players with huge win streaks and managed to beat them rather easily (they kept holding low), so I went from C- back up to C+ pretty quickly. Though it was only two matches.

So I want to ask you guys how you deal with certain things, because I'm still having trouble developing a new style while still falling for dumb stuff.

How do you guys deal with Rachel's 1PP? Usually I just block and throw punish, but recently, players keep throwing me instead, so I eat a counter throw often. I'm using only 7 frame throws to punish.

How do you guys deal with Ryu Hayabusa's who use 9P then 8P, 8K or 8T all the time? Usually I sidestep and attempt to punish, but I always end up getting hit instead.

How do you guys deal with Hayate's 3H+KKP? I've tried to hold, but failed. I've tried to block the whole thing (and used practice mode to do it), and failed and I tried to sidestep and punish, and failed there.

How do you guys deal with Tina's and Hitomi's 1P? Normally this move hits me on normal hit, so its constantly putting the players at negative frames, but when I try to push and offense, I usually hit by a counter hit. I've tried some fast moves like P, 6P, 3K, 6K, and 4K, but nothing works.

How do you guys deal with Momiji's air throw spam? I usually try to duck, but I'm always caught by it. I've tried simple jabs too, but it hasn't worked yet.

How do you guys deal with Kasumi's who always use 66PP? I know the final hit is high, but I'm unable to step, duck or hold it whenever I try.
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Yeaaah... I think you need to find a way to play offline.

Rachels that use 1PP regularly get killed offline. I even go out of my way to bait that move, that's how punishable it is. Just use a strong grab or hold the 2nd hit on reaction. Her 4PP is more irritating than her 1PP. For Hayate's 3H+KKP, either try to hold the initial mid kick or just block the string while trying to eyeing a free-cancel. You can also try a fast low crush move after blocking 3H+K if possible. For Hitomi's or Tina's that spam 1P, try to figure out when they're doing it (usually as an interrupt to start their offense), and see if you can hold it. If you know when they're going to do it, you can go for a quick low crush attack. Though like you said, they're at negative frames on NH, so you can 2P or 6P them back. For Momiji's Air Throw, just duck it. Actually, I think you can fuzzy guard the whole Tenku mix-up. It's not something that Momiji players should be doing regularly because Tenku is meh offline.
For Kasumi's 66PP, duck the 2nd hit (don't sidestep it) or simply block it (Kasumi's at -7 for that GB). If she goes into Hoshinpo with 66PP6P+K, sidestep or duck the mix-up. The more dangerous options will hit you if you stay standing.
 
HajinShinobi said:
Anyway, just stopped by to drop this off; http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/pedestal-mentality-how-it-hurts-the-fgc.4336/page-2#post-171757
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I don't know you well enough, but this is like the gospel for the gamers.

Silly analogy I share from FSD(a site I don't wander into due to my own personal problems).

Sharing is caring sentiment is something some gamers and some top players lost nowadays. How can some Akuma mentality help others? It's people like Gouken who have prestigious pupils like Ryu and Ken. Even silly people like Dan has pupils better than the master like Blanka and Sakura. Even if Akuma is the best, he'll never have anyone to help him pass the torch. All he can do is say fight me to Ryu and demand he gives into the Satsui no Hado which Ryu rebukes...
 
Another update (1.06), and a round of costumes coming later this month. No idea who is getting what, but I suspect the next update is for Phase 4. Costume(s) from the contest probably won't be added until later (a few months).
 
Leon reminds all players to eat their Wheaties.
I'm still up in the air whether Leon or Bayman is the better character in this one.
 
56 games and 0 wins today. I'm still having trouble with Rondo follow-ups, sidestep follow-ups, and 3P+K follow-ups.
 
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