Soul Calibur V: USA Tier List(s)

Your type-o tier list?

  • PartyWolf

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • IRM

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Woahhzz

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • Hawkeye

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • LostProvidence

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Hates

    Votes: 18 42.9%
  • Xephukai

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • BlueBoyB

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Admin
It's been exactly 3 years, 4 months and 7 days from today's date since the release of Soul Calibur V. That being said, I feel it's been a substantial amount of time to try and formulate a tier list. Before we dive in, there's a few things we need to lay out when in discussion on tier lists.

Firstly, it's damn near impossible to create a solid, 100% accurate tier list. Reasons vary from things like region, the game's life-span, knowledge, and the fact that not everyone will agree on one tier list. I think it's important to honor this notion and get several tier list's from distinguished community member's rather than a group effort on an absolute tier placement.

When we see a tier list, there's always going to be a debate in which a lot of people will partake in, "flame wars." This is not the intentions of this article, so please keep discussion civil. It's also important to note that all the tier lists' in this article are opinions. Whether or not you want to deem it credible or ill-informed is entirely up to you.

All tier list's posted in this article are from members who've been in the competitive community for Soul Calibur for a substantial amount of time and/or has had success via competitive play. Note that I've restricted this only to the American Calibur scene (as far as who I asked to provide a tier list).
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The purpose of this article is to try and solidify, as best we can, where characters fall in to place. I'm also hopeful that this could be good reference to new(er/ish) members who want to try and pick a character, know who to look out for, or just for general knowledge.

The layout for this is simple. I post the tier list, who's the creator and some information on said person that I think could be useful in attempt to try and understand the logic behind their tier placement. I will also be looking for comparisons and differentiation between the tier lists in hopes to reinforce some of the opinions.

Lastly, I want to highlight that the layout for the tier list's are going to vary from one another. I wanted each individual to feel in complete control of how they wrote out their tier list. Whether the tier list is detailed, not detailed, biased or attempted to be "fair" was completely up to the creator of said tier list. All this being said, let's dive right in.
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@Party Wolf 's Tier List:
S+: Viola
S: Alpha
A: Pyrrha, Algol, Mitsurugi, Natsu, Patroklos
B+: Maxi, Cervantes, Nightmare, Yoshimitsu, Omega, Voldo
B: Tira, Hilde, Xiba, Aeon, Astaroth, Ezio
C: Ivy, Siegfried, Leixia, Raphael
Sucks Ass: Devil Jin, Dampierre, ZWEI
PROFILE:
As far as credentials go, PartyWolf is an active member of the Soul Calibur community. Earning his credibility through various tournament standings, streaming, video tutorials, and having general knowledge of the game. Known as a top player in the USA scene.
- Mains Xiba
- Active member of the Florida Calibur scene
- Noteworthy offline competition: KilikABeast, DeathinmyEyes, Enkindu,
- Tournament victory/various tournament top 8 placements
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@IRM 's Tier-Listing:
S Apat,Viola
A Pyrrha, Natsu,Yoshimitsu,Algol,Patroklos,Cervantes
B Astaroth Mitsu,Voldo,Pyr O,Xiba
C Nightmare,Seigfried,Leixia, Aeon,Hilde,Ivy
D Maxi, Raph,Tira
E Dampierre
Z-Zwei
PROFILE:
IRM aka IRocktheMaxi, is an active member of the Soul Calibur competitive community. Regarded as the best Maxi in the scene, IRM's credibility stems from multiple top 8 placements, streaming, and also having solid, general knowledge of the game.
- Mains Maxi
- Resides in Virginia
- Noteworthy offline competition: N/A(?)
- Tournament victory/various tournament top 8 placings
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@Woahhzz 's Tier List:
(NOTE: Woahhzz decided to issue two separate tier lists. As stated earlier, I want to honor the notion of no one, absolute tier list. So I found this very interesting.)
- Hyopthetical Tier List
S- Apat, Cervy, Viola
A- Maxi, Mitsu, Patrokolos, Natsu, Voldo, Algol, Tira, Omega
B- Xiba, Yoshi, Nightmarre, Ivy, Astaroth, Pyrah
C- Dampierre, Hilde, Lei, Aeon, Sieg, Ezio, Raph, DJ
D- Zwei

- Tournament Viability Tier List
S- Patrokolos, Pyrah, Cervantes,
A-Viola, Alpha, Mitsu, Natsu, Omega, Voldo, Algol, Yoshi, Maxi, Tira
B. Xiba, Nightmare, Leixia, Astaroth, Aeon, Sieg, Ezio, DJ
C- Ivy, Hilde, Raph
D- Zwei, Dampierre
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PROFILE:
Woahhzz is one of the longest running top player's who're still active in the Soul Calibur V competitive scene. Was regarded as the best player, worldwide, in Soul Calibur IV. Woahhzz remains a strong, steady competitor in the Soul Calibur V scene. The man is decorated in a multitude of accomplishments in the past 5 years of the Calibur Community.
- Mains Alpha Patroklos
- Resides in Philadelphia, PA
- Noteworthy offline competition: JJJ, ZeroEffect, Malice, Sporko, InsaneKhent, Rigel, Bibulus
- Tournament victory/Multiple tournament top 8 placings
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@Hawkeye 's Tier List:
S: Alpha Pat
A: Pyrrha,Patroklos,Pyrrha O,Viola, Natsu, Cervantes
B: Mitsurugi, Nightmare, Ezio, Yoshimitsu, Maxi, Astaroth
C: Leixia, Tira, Xiba, Voldo, Hilde
D: Ivy, Aeon, Zwei, Siegfried, Dampierre, Raphael
PROFILE:
Hawkeye is one of the most accomplished players in the scene for Soul Calibur V. A top player since the beginning days of Soul Calibur V, he's earned his credentials through various top 8 placements, and earning a repuation via SC Community as a top competitor.
- Mains (or rather, most successful with) Natsu
- Resides in Chicago
- Noteworthy offline competition: LostProvidence, Thuggish_Pond, Antics_R_us, HumanTyphoon
- Tournament victor/multiple tournament top 8 placings
- Known for having the most second place standings in the community
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@LP Tier List:
A+++ - Viola Although I do feel that no player has played Viola to all of her strengths, I think the fact that she's able to play outside of the normal flowchart and kill you while doing it (in addition to a somewhat decent 'normal' game of SC) makes her the biggest threat in the game.

A++ - Pyrhha If Viola did not have the Violage, then Pyrrha would be the best character in the game. She has, hands down, the best tools in the game.

A+ - Mits, Pat, aPat. It's kinda hard to say an order because, while I feel that aPat is better than Pat, Pat is much more forgiving than aPat. The only things I think keeping Mits from being placed with Pyrrha is his lack of an i12 attack (read: "good AA") and the lack of range on 3A.

A - Natsu, Astaroth, Cervy, Algol, Pyrrha Omega
B - Everyone not listed in any other spot.
D - ZWEI
PROFILE:
LostProvidence, much like his training partner Hawkeye, has solidified his rank with the top competitors via Soul Calibur V. One of the most successful players in the scene, LostProvidence's credentials stem from multiple accolades and tournament placements. Also uses various character's at high level play- having success with multiple character's since the beginning days of Soul Calibur V
- Uses multiple character's at high level play
- Most prominently known for Viola
- Resides in Chicago
- Noteworthy offline competition: Hawkeye, Thuggish_Pond, Antics_R_Us, HumanTyphoon
- Tournament victor/multiple tournament top 8 placings
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@Dr. Hates Tier List:
The Best (In order)

  • Viola: Pretty ridiculous character. Touch-of-death 50/50s, excellent ringout potential, general safety, and the general utility of 44A BE (hit-confirmable, horizontal mid with excellent range) make her a fairly obvious choice for number one. To the extent that she has a weakness, it’s range, but she can always move you off of your spot with the orb irrespective of distance.

  • Alpha Patroklos: Also ridiculous. His speed, damage, safety, and punishment ability make him incredibly effective. As for weaknesses, people tend to focus on limitations he has when it comes to covering sidestep, but I don’t find that argument to be too compelling thanks to the way many verticals tend to realign in SCV.
The Almost-Best (In order)

  • Pyrrha: This character basically has no weaknesses. While some characters can do individual things better than she can (e.g. damage output, space control, etc.), it’s really hard to compete with her as a total package. She’s designed such that the best way to fight against her involves spacing, but the movement system (highly unsafe backdash, almost totally safe forward dash) makes this disadvantage negligible.

  • Patroklos: Exploits the game system perhaps better than any other character, creating situations wherein the opponent is forced to make unpleasant choices between safe, high-damage options. Builds unreasonable amounts of meter. Strong YOLO factor. The knock against him is that he’s less safe on certain key moves than the other characters at the top of the pile--his playstyle suffers a bit when the opponent has a beefy i16 punish.
  • Algol: Spectacular damage, great range, reasonable safety on important tools, and he generally has a good option for most situations. He’s also one of the few non-Greeks who can reasonably hang with Pyrrha. The downside is that his throw range is about the same as Viola’s, his sidestep is abysmal, and he generally has to play very honestly--in other words, he has great tools, but few multitaskers (which is a bit unusual for really good SCV characters).
The Extremely Good (not necessarily in order)

  • Mitsurugi: Very good block frames on lots of moves--if he has any attacks that aren’t spammable as hell, please let me know. Strong mixup, decent range, good damage, versatile ways to spend meter.

  • Natsu: Great damage output when you consider the speed of her attacks. Plenty of multitaskers, and most of them are safe. Quasi-safety on other important attacks thanks to PO options. 4A is one of the best lows in the universe. She does have range issues, however, and can potentially struggle to get damage without counterhits.

  • Cervantes: Killer meterless damage, difficult to fight against if you don’t know the MU properly. He’s forced to rely on highly unsafe moves in order to control the flow of a match, however, and strong punishment characters can slap him around.

  • Omega Pyrrha: Great general-purpose tools, DNS B is silly, good punishment, etc. She’s not a tier above simply because many of her moves are simply less impressive versions of Pyrrha’s. While a 1 frame difference here and there may not seem like much, it does affect movelist synergy.

  • Maxi: Almost as intellectually demanding as Pat. He has some of the best multitasker moves in the game, great pokes and safety, and a surprisingly impressive ability to control space by chasing down backdashers. However, Greeks and Viola don’t really have a ton of reason to fear him.
Honorable Mentions (not necessarily in order):
Characters in this group have something really impressive (e.g. damage, tools, movement, range, etc.), but generally don’t stand out to the extent that the above characters do.

  • Nightmare

  • Tira

  • Astaroth

  • Voldo
Holy Crap, Even Characters This Far Down Are Totally Legit (not necessarily in order):
Characters in this group are utterly viable, but may require a special player to really show off their potential. They may be hampered by a couple of bad MUs, or perhaps they’re just outshined by the really good characters, but by no means are they bad.

  • Yoshimitsu

  • Siegfried

  • Aeon

  • Ezio

  • Hilde

  • Ivy

  • Raph

  • Xiba

  • Leixia
Doesn’t Exist As Far As I’m Concerned:
Characters in this group do not exist in SCV. Shut up.
- Dampierre
- Devil Jin

Z.W.E.I.
Characters in this group are Z.W.E.I. and are thus worthless.
Z.W.E.I.
PROFILE:
Hate's is a legend among player's here in the Soul Calibur community. Most know him as, "The smartest man in the universe." As well as being the first Soul Calibur doctor recorded. Hate's has a few tournament placings for Soul Calibur V, but has had huge success in previous installments, hence the "legend" title. Hate's has also been one of the more successful "OG's" of the community, who still has maintained a solid gameplay.
- Mains Algol
- Live in Northern California (But has been in other scene's in the past)
- Noteworthy offline competition: KrayzieCD, AlexJ, Manta, Ceirnian
- Solid player for over 10years and counting
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Xephukai's Tier List:
S: Viola, Pyrrha
A: Patroklos, Alpha Patroklos, Natsu, Voldo, Cervantes, Yoshimitsu, Pyrrha Omega, Algol, Astaroth
B: Maxi,Mitsurugi, Xiba, Tira, Aeon, Ivy, Nightmare, Ezio
C: Hilde, Leixia, Siegfried, Raphael, Dampierre, Devil Jin
D: Z.W.E.I.
PROFILE:
I'm one of the most successful player's in the Soul Calibur V scene. I'm decorated with various tournament victories, and various tournament top 8 placements. In short, I'm a badass.
- Mains Pyrrha
- Resides in Reno, NV
- Noteworthy offline competition: N/A
- Tournament victor/Multiple tournament top 8 placements
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@Blueboyb Tier List:
S: Viola
S-: Cervantes, Apat,
A+: Natsu, Pat, Pyrrha, Algol, Yoshi, Maxi
A: Pyrrha O, Mitsurugi
A-: Aeon, Voldo, Nightmare (With 33b cancel)
B+: Xiba, Astaroth
B: Leixia: Siegfried, Ezio, Ivy, Hilde, Tira
B-: Raph, Damp C: ZWEI
PROFILE:
BlueBoyB has earned his credentials through tournament victories, and tournament top 8 placings. Considered to be the best of the new school player's, BlueBoy has done a lot of damage to the scene and is a decorated tournament champion.
- Mains Patroklos
- Resides in Souther California
- Noteworthy offline competiton: Zane, Signia
- Tournament victor/multiple tournament top 8 placements
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This will be the closing section of the article (I know, it was quite a lot to read). I want to point out that I feel these individuals have the most credibility in the USA community in terms of discussing the game. My intentions, however, are not to undermine other member's and their knowledge. I encourage this to bring debate/discussion. I'm very interested in what the community has to say, and if any of these tier lists coincide or differ from your's.
I'll add more input and discussion in the comments below. Hope anyone who has taken the time to read this found some useful information. Lastly, I want to repeat, I think this is the most effective way to formulate a tier listing- by not having an exact, 100% absolute tier list. In this game, there is still a lot I feel has been unexplored. I hope you all can understand my sentiment on the matter, and take this for what it is... a fun article!

Thank you to the player's above who provided the information needed for the article.
 
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S+: Alpha Patroklos (The only one who have no negative match-up for me)
S: Viola, Cervantes
A+: Patroklos, Mitsurugi, Omega Pyrrha
A: Voldo, Algol, Natsu, Pyrrha
B: Aeon, Yoshimitsu
B-: Maxi, Ivy, Leixia
C: Siegfried, Astaroth, Nightmare
D: Raphael, ZWEI

Tira?, hilde?, Xiba?, Ezio?
 
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The Braindead Tier List:
S: Patroklos, Mitsurugi
A+: Pyrrha, Cervantes, Alpha, Viola
A–: Aeon, Astaroth, Maxi
B: Algol, Ezio, Omega, Natsu, Ivy
C: Xiba, Yoshimitsu, Voldo, Nightmare, Siegfried, Hilde
D: Tira, Leixia, Raphael
E: Zwei


The WTF I STEPPED THAT Tier List:
S: Mitsurugi
A: Maxi, Alpha, Patroklos, Nightmare, Voldo
B: Pyrrha, Cervantes, Astaroth, Leixia, Hilde
C: Siegfried, Natsu, Viola, Tira, Algol, Ivy, Yoshimitsu, Ezio
D: Xiba, Raphael, Aeon
E: Zwei


The I preferred it when you had an umbrella Tier List:
S: Alpha Patroklos
A-D: Everyone else
E: Zwei
 
Of everyone's tier list I'm going to have to agree with Hates and PW's the most. Heres what I've noticed from tournaments and observations.

God Tier: Lolo


S+: Viola
S: Pyrrha, Pat
S-: Natsu, Mitsu, Algol
A+: Yoshimitsu, Maxi, Cervantes, aPat
A: Xiba, Voldo, Nightmare, Omega
A-: Ezio, Hilde, Ivy, Asta
B+: Aeon
B: Tira,
B-: Leixia, Raphel, Whiffried
C+: Devil Jin
C: Dampierre, ZWEI

I've noticed aPat is not the best character to use for long periods of time, and tournaments do take time. In theory hes as good if not better than Viola... But thats theory.
 
Not sure if there is a best character to be honest. There might be 3 or 4 that are the best and 3 or 4 that are the worst. I think at best we can only get a general tier placements with a large wiggle room, mainly because, specialists are showing us all the time what the real potential of a character is in the right hands.

For example if you know you have a bad matchup, you play differently. Does this knowledge help offset that bad matchup? Yes.

I guess I'm more or less saying that there is no absolute tier list, and thankfully there are no OP characters in this game and there is a way to beat every character with every character, even if both players are skilled. I'm not saying the odds are completely fair but I am saying that you can work around those issues to some extent.

I think people should focus more on which characters THEY are best with rather than which characters are generally better. If you're priority is choosing the character that is fun to you regardless of tiers, then chances are you will be more willing to put work in the lab for said character.

I say don't worry about tiers, really. Just play the character you like, play the matchups to the best of your knowledge and skill, and just have fun. I'm not sure if I want my game to broken down so scientifically, and besides it's not exactly an exact science anyway. Not to mention the fact that each character is not represented equally, some are played more than others and the theory is more well known, others are hardly played by anyone and it's nearly impossible to say just how good they really are, until someone comes into a tournament and shocks everyone by winning with a supposed low tier.

I've seen widely varying opinions on devil jin for example, mainly because hardly anyone plays him since he was banned for so long (CAS hitbox issues, nuff said). Since no one plays him, there is going to be less high level players using them and so Jin's true strength isn't really that well defined. Me personally, I find him to be pretty strong overall but some of the best players in the world say he's basically trash. Point is, jury is still out, and may always be that way unless for some miraculous reason people still play this game in 15 years (which is really about how long it takes for every little thing to be discovered).

Yes, SCV has been out for 3 years, but there is still a lot more to be discovered. Nightmare's grim stride cancel was only recently discovered in the last year I think. Who knows Dampierre might end up having a glitch that makes him much stronger.

TLDR: Who cares about tiers just play the character you like and be done with it. Unless you're playing this game for money then you shouldn't give 2 shits about tiers.
 
Not sure if there is a best character to be honest. There might be 3 or 4 that are the best and 3 or 4 that are the worst. I think at best we can only get a general tier placements with a large wiggle room, mainly because, specialists are showing us all the time what the real potential of a character is in the right hands.
As I said in the original post, there is no way for us to get an absolute-all-knowing tier list, because of various reasons. However, for this particular game, the specialist's are already known. The chances now for a character specialist whom we haven't seen/heard of is extremely slim. Unfortunately, SC doesn't have the numbers in fanbase/competitors, or the support from it's developer's for this to be likely.

For example if you know you have a bad matchup, you play differently. Does this knowledge help offset that bad matchup? Yes.
Having in-depth knowledge of a particular MU doesn't equate it NOT being a bad MU. Of course, I'm in some sort of agreeance that many people won't look in to how a MU could/should be played, and automatically assume the MU is terrible.

I guess I'm more or less saying that there is no absolute tier list, and thankfully there are no OP characters in this game and there is a way to beat every character with every character, even if both players are skilled. I'm not saying the odds are completely fair but I am saying that you can work around those issues to some extent.
This kind of mentality is assuming that every player who plays said character is on equal footing. In this case, it's not. Also, there's some pretty terrible character's out there. ZWEI, for instance, has had 2-3 character specialists using him- all of which crumble when going against a decent player with MU knowledge. That being said, a terible ZWEI could probably beat an even more terrible Pyrrha. But we don't take in account of terrible players who're playing the game incorrectly.


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I say don't worry about tiers, really. Just play the character you like, play the matchups to the best of your knowledge and skill, and just have fun. I'm not sure if I want my game to broken down so scientifically, and besides it's not exactly an exact science anyway. Not to mention the fact that each character is not represented equally, some are played more than others and the theory is more well known, others are hardly played by anyone and it's nearly impossible to say just how good they really are, until someone comes into a tournament and shocks everyone by winning with a supposed low tier.
As someone who's been part of this scene for a good six years, we've been proned towards consistency more than anything. Tira won EVO 2k12, and majority agree she's not in high tier placement. "Toilet" used ZWEI in 2k12 and managed to get in to worlds finals sc tournament, and he's still dead last on most people's list.

Again, as I disclaimed above, there really is no way to get a solid tier list. However, all the people who posted above are highly knowledgeable in the game. All of us having played in competition, having played internationals, and having done a lot more homework through studying and/or experience. I say we're pretty much the go-to guy's when talking of tier placement. You may not like the fact that ocmpetitor's will break the game down in to tier placements, but that's a custom in the FGC.


Yes, SCV has been out for 3 years, but there is still a lot more to be discovered. Nightmare's grim stride cancel was only recently discovered in the last year I think. Who knows Dampierre might end up having a glitch that makes him much stronger.
In most cases, glitches are only taken in to account if they're not banned. I'm sure if Dampierre had a game breaking glitch, a discussion on it's ban would be in the works. Also, unfortunately, as I mentioned above, SCV doesn't have the support to merit this game to be changing. Three years is a solid benchmark for SC and it's community to summarize a tier list. (Especially since the top 5 characters are consistently in top 8 placements at competition, for the whole three years). In a year from now, or when SC6 is announced, I'll definitely revisit this post.
 
Nice post. Good to know there's some people that have respect for someone they don't know. I'm quite used to being trolled.

I guess I stay away from thinking about tiers too much because I think it creates the placebo affect to some degree. If you know your character is low tier, then you blame your loses on that fact. Maybe it makes people feel like putting work in the lab is pointless since that character won't win anyways. Tiers are great for tourney players, but probably not a good thing for casuals like me to care about too much.

For example, when I play with friends, if someone is kicking my ass I don't blame it on my character I just blame myself for not knowing the MU better.

And like I said before, I'm not a competitive player I just like to have fun. That doesn't mean I just mash buttons randomly, it just means that I don't want my already limited game time to turn into a game of number crunching and glitch exploiting. That kind of thing is for a different kind of player than me.

It comes as no surprise to me that the top 5 consistently place in top 8, when you consider that fact that the number of competitive players is staggeringly small. There aren't that many newcomers, it's mostly the same people who've been playing since SC1. Which is kind of a shame really.

But I can see that I don't really belong in this thread so I'll see myself out.
 
I guess I stay away from thinking about tiers too much because I think it creates the placebo affect to some degree. If you know your character is low tier, then you blame your loses on that fact. Maybe it makes people feel like putting work in the lab is pointless since that character won't win anyways. Tiers are great for tourney players, but probably not a good thing for casuals like me to care about too much.
Tier lists are great for anyone who understands them. I think you're assuming that everyone's the typical, stereotypical, raging clown that we play in random lobbies. I know a lot of competitor's who play for fun, use which character they like, but have in-depth knowledge of the game and where the character's stand. It's not wise to assume competitive player's are all about money or using who's the cheapest/best. Let's face it, if you're still competing in SCV for money- then you're in the wrong game.

And like I said before, I'm not a competitive player I just like to have fun. That doesn't mean I just mash buttons randomly, it just means that I don't want my already limited game time to turn into a game of number crunching and glitch exploiting. That kind of thing is for a different kind of player than me.
"Different strokes for different folks."

It comes as no surprise to me that the top 5 consistently place in top 8, when you consider that fact that the number of competitive players is staggeringly small.
The numbers for SCV are relatively normal when you take in to account that we aren't 2D. We aren't Street Fighter. We are in the third year of the game's life span. Around this time in SCIV, the number's were roughly the same.

There aren't that many newcomers, it's mostly the same people who've been playing since SC1. Which is kind of a shame really
...what are you talking about? You are very, very out of touch with the competitive scene if you honestly believe this to be true. I did want to take you seriously, but now you're just trying to pull things out of the blue.
 
Disagreeing is one thing, but do ya really have to be an ass about it? I could do the same thing right back to you and call you a tourneyfag but you don't see me doing that because I respect others. Jeez. I'm not pulling things out of the blue. Players like DIME, KEEV, and even YOU Zeph, have been in the scene for a decade or more. I don't really get what you're saying.

Tournament after tournament, it's usually the same 20-30 people with a few newcomers here and there. I've been watching tourney videos going back to SC2.

Anyways, let's stop this before it becomes a pointless flame war. We're going way off topic so it might get deleted anyways. If you wanna continue send me a PM. I'm happy to debate just not here.
 
Disagreeing is one thing, but do ya really have to be an ass about it? I could do the same thing right back to you and call you a tourneyfag but you don't see me doing that because I respect others. Jeez. I'm not pulling things out of the blue. Players like DIME, KEEV, and even YOU Zeph, have been in the scene for a decade or more. I don't really get what you're saying.

Tournament after tournament, it's usually the same 20-30 people with a few newcomers here and there. I've been watching tourney videos going back to SC2.

Anyways, let's stop this before it becomes a pointless flame war. We're going way off topic so it might get deleted anyways. If you wanna continue send me a PM. I'm happy to debate just not here.
No one's being an "ass" or rude to you, you lunatic.
 
Disagreeing is one thing, but do ya really have to be an ass about it? I could do the same thing right back to you and call you a tourneyfag but you don't see me doing that because I respect others. Jeez. I'm not pulling things out of the blue. Players like DIME, KEEV, and even YOU Zeph, have been in the scene for a decade or more. I don't really get what you're saying.
You are trying to make me see light on baseless arguments. You really need to do your homework before replying. If you want to throw shade and insults my way (tourneyfag), I'm sorry to say, but this might not be the place for you. Also, check your reading comprehension, we had an exchange on who the top 5 character's are, and their representatives. The top SCV USA representatives were not around in the SC1-2-3 competitive scene, and only about four of us attended events in SCIV (in which only one of the four was a top player).

If instead of pulling things out of your ass, and did some research, you would see that a lot of veteran SC1-2-3 players quit the game when Step-G was taken out. Also, player's like DIME and myself have only been competing for about 6years. That's 4 years shy of a decade. Which only equates to SCIV-SCV lifespan.

Again, do your homework if you want to have a legitimate debate. You're just spouting incorrect and mis-informed information.




Anyways, let's stop this before it becomes a pointless flame war. We're going way off topic so it might get deleted anyways. If you wanna continue send me a PM. I'm happy to debate just not here.
I don't see why any of this would merit ME to delete my topic. As I said, I attempted to take you seriously, but your knowledge on the competitive scene is equivalent to someone making a home under a rock.
 
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