Raphael General Discussion / Q&A

I wouldn't compare 6632B and 66B, if anything 66B should be competing with 236B. The extra 10 - 20 more damage is relevant. And besides, the move is fine from QS, you are bound to step at some point.

236B is good on hit (and should be used to punish quicker moves), but kills your range if blocked, 66B does more damage, offers the prep trap or resets the distance and leaves you at a good postition.

Does anyone still use 3B as a poke? I've been using BB, 22B and 66B more, but 3B seems so unimpressive this time around.

They made it less safe. We don't know how much yet, but I think that's far more important than the 6 damage that was added to it.

We'll have to see what happens with Prep. Prep K did get changes, we'll just have to play around with it some. Again maybe some of it was lost in translation. I have no attachment to this character other than I liked playing him, if this winds up being a net nerf I can always force myself to grind out iGDR 100 times a day and try to play Cervy lol.

Just not a fan of being right in their face at -12 is all.

you cannot step 66B at close range trust me i m not the only to notice that differently from scIV 66B is great at short range.

Well in scV you have to punish a lot on prediction ....and punish always on reaction just to squeeze every possible damage...but with subpar tools.

Now we can also control step with laughable damage but well ranged tools...but that will be worse post patch.

Also landing lows any chance you can because they deal lot of dmg....(its easy to push opponent into trying to predict 11K just to land a 22B).

Funny thing....if you play a decent raph in scV everybody will respect you....and you'll receive tons of lovemails online and congratulations offline...ù


Said that consider you are using a bottom tier and you will happen to lose even against scrubs if you are not focused.

patch is out (netherlands). this is terrible, no joke.
22b, 3b does not connect anymore... i don't see any other moves hitting either :/
edit: 2b connects, 1b also, very strict (44dmg)

on the stun for prep bbb, you only get it when the last hit CH's, not the first.
the only thing you get out of that is CE. a+ba 1st hit (sometimes 2nd) whiffs

He's definitely fun, and he's very fast for his range. The pleasure of playing Raph is out-thinking opponents in such a way that you can continuously maintain advantage and keep them on the defensive.

His step-killing is pretty laughable though. He has moves that can hit step, sure, but he has a hard time dissuading it.

Hahahahahaha fuck

prep k
-dash in a+ba (60) strict, 66a+b will whiff
-ce (90)
-a+ba (57) near wall only, 2nd hit of a+b whiffs otherwise
-66a+b (43) near wall only

4B~bbb
-1b (59) strict
-2b (55)
-a+ba (70) near wall only
-ce (88)

22b
-a+ba (64) near wall only, if wall is off axis and opponant slides away, it'll still whiff

*3a doesn't connect near walls, 3b neither
*everything just barely misses which ofcourse leads to oki things, 66a+b/g-cancel, etc
but without 22b, i don't see which tools raph has to compete with the dmg output of the rest of the cast.
*22b is still -10 on block.
raph = even higher risk, even lower reward now imho.

i hope you guys are more inventive than me and fine new stuff soon, because i already caught myself hovering over siegfried when starting a new match.. brrrr :(

OMG, i just test " the new " Raph

fucked up, 22_88B sucks now. So... no whiff punisher or solid side step punisher anymore ( i mean launcher )

it would be really interesting asking namco how they think raph should be played....and the reason of the nerfs

6BBB is actually a camouflaged nerf also it seems.

i think as they told reason behind tira's nerfs they should give some for raph.....maybe there were thing we still ignore that makes raph awesome
(well cannot lie they plain hate raph...the nerf tradition still goes on).