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  1. Alphadogg [01] Neophyte

    omg what did they do to my favorite character. he looks so stupid with that hat and clothes. wtf! give him back his soul calibur 3 look. im sick of them changing stuff and making it worse. i dont like all of this stuff they are doing like removing characters and chaning ppls looks. this is almost enough to make me not buy the game because why in the hell change him and make him look like a clown girl.. he looks stupidier than that girl with the circle!
    Alphadogg, Jan 27, 2012
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    WuHT Premium Moderator

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    I wouldn't really call them last minute changes, as the versions we see in videos are months old in real time.

    And in all honesty, I can understand some conservative pessimism, but to go full-bore debbi-downer isn't right either.


    1) You can still dress him up using the create-a-soul feature. Since you value costumes and outfits so much, you should be happy the CAS feature has been more robust.
    2) Things change because they are a new game. This is not Soul calibur 3.1, so i'm laying that out there early because its going to be a shocker for you if you don't understand that.
    3) If you're honestly not planning to purchase the game then you don't need to really post in this forum complaining about it.

    That pretty much sums it up.
    WuHT, Jan 27, 2012
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    Ring Lay still now

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    I know the retail version differs from the one at SoCal regionals. That's roughly a 2 months difference. Oh well, in a few days everything will be clear.
    Ring, Jan 27, 2012
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    o yeah! looking forward to it
    WuHT, Jan 27, 2012
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  5. darkfender [07] Duelist

    well all we can do is discuss what we have and i just know this:


    1) raphael has a tradition: being worse every new chapter of the game:
    Raph sc2 high/top tier
    Raph s3 Mid tier
    Raph sc4 Mid/low tier
    Raph sc4 BD bottom tier (and why on earth was he nerfed? his flaws were already known)

    2) what we have seen till now confirms the trend

    3) the game is already played by many peoples (reviewers, and people who got it i dunno how) and i read they confirm raph is quite low damage

    I think that my fears are justified......yet i can t get what s on namco's mind...if there is a character that didn t need to be nerfed was raph.

    I will play hime even if he'll be the next rock (and already preordered my CE /._./) , but all we saw till now suggest raph will be bottom tier as soon as people will learn how to react the new moveset and that is a problem i am tired to deal with considering half cast can happily brainless spam BB and get results (exhaggerating obviously but the point is clear).
    darkfender, Jan 27, 2012
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  6. Hudathan [09] Warrior

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    Hudathan, Jan 27, 2012
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  7. darkfender [07] Duelist

    well i was playing mitsu then but they told me so everywhere >.>
    darkfender, Jan 27, 2012
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  8. Runemaster [04] Fighter

    Lol@ SC2 raph being top tier.
    Seriously, he's always been a low to mid tier in every game.

    And honestly, I dig the hat. It's made of pure awesomeness.
    Runemaster, Jan 27, 2012
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  9. darkfender [07] Duelist

    pessimism is not a bad thing, and i never said NAMCO SUCKS screw this game...
    I just said "from what we have atm" raph seems IMHO really really BAD see below....


    last video i saw thow damage was reduced...moreover...

    -getting unsafer
    -less damage (some moves even 1/3 of previous chapter O_o)
    -same issues of previous chapter


    Are objective points....

    Whereas "maybe his aGI and autoevade will do wonders" is baseless speculation....those are quite unknown....

    i still have to understand wich new useful tools he will get....i read all the thread and saw tons of videos...i saw some old stuff enhanced but not things that can be used to cover his weaknesses...nor spammed for pressing....


    well this is completely wrong....the game should be BALANCED and devs should struggle to avoid the existence of tiers at all...this is an old discussion.....

    And they also promised post release support so IF raph won't really be competitive, we should:
    -ask them on what bases they balanced sc5 raph
    -tell them wich are his worse problems..

    Infact i second peoples who said that explanations on sc5 characters development would help a lot.

    P.S. in SC4 he had some hopeless matchups....

    P.P.s. i'll recheck tira's vid.
    darkfender, Jan 27, 2012
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  10. Egg [10] Knight

    The Raphael Forum hasn't changed in 10 years.
    Egg, Jan 27, 2012
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  11. WARUI_NE .

    lol @ SC2 raph top tier and SC3 mid tier

    fucking lol
    WARUI_NE, Jan 27, 2012
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  12. Real_Bojack [09] Warrior

    Eat shit asshole!

    Anyways, Raph forum gonna be Raph forum. Raph looks great so far. Play him wisely and avoid prepping after EVERYTHING like we see in a bunch of vids and he should be fine.

    j/k on the Eat shit thing. Good to see you again.

    The amount of work you have to do to win is basically the tiers in a nut shell. Roll ~CAN~ beat MvC2 Sent but it takes a tonna work.
    Real_Bojack, Jan 27, 2012
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  13. Mandritti [09] Warrior

    darkfender, why do you play this character?

    I'm serious I want to know.
    Mandritti, Jan 28, 2012
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  14. KowtowRobinson [10] Knight

    I was gonna say somethin but you guys covered it for me lol. Raph was near the bottom in SC2 until people figured out that you could play a roachy step G style based around nothing but basic pokes and his silly 2k. But he had SOUL CHARGE CANCELS OMGGGGHZDHKSDHKHKHEK

    I don't have a gif prepared for this, so just picture me rolling my eyes at you right now, darkfender.
    KowtowRobinson, Jan 29, 2012
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    Lets all not gang up on the poor guy now. I think he's learned of the situation in sc2 by now
    WuHT, Jan 29, 2012
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  16. WARUI_NE .

    nah we have said in this SA 100000000000 times to all the "SC2 IS AWESOME AND EVERYTHING IS AMAZING" people they are wrong but they still dont get it
    WARUI_NE, Jan 29, 2012
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  17. Runemaster [04] Fighter

    SC2 was horrible because of the game system that allowed G2 , too much glitches and such.
    But Raphael as an individual character was amazing in SC2, no doubt about that.
    Runemaster, Jan 29, 2012
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  18. Mandritti [09] Warrior

    SC 2 Raph: Soul Charge cancels on Prep.
    SC V Raph: BE cancels on Prep BB and Prep B(B)

    Hmm.
    Mandritti, Jan 29, 2012
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    I think they're two entirely different things. Just to keep the topic on SC5 raph, does anyone know the damgae of 6BB(BE)? Thats a pretty fast (and hopefully hit confirmable) decent interrupt. I can see that as the primary usage of meter (as opposed to using the meter to end fat combos).

    Lol @ how much worse 33kB(BE) and prep K(BE) look. Actually thats kinda sad.
    WuHT, Jan 29, 2012
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    The improvement doesn't seem as fat as 6BB(BE). Unless you need the win and you have 1.5x meter, then yeah you'd go for the kill.

    Just seems like if you QS a move and input 33KB(BE)~CE, you could have done QS~22B, 3(B)~prepBB(BE) for one third the meter . Unless that gets blocked.

    ----
    Anyways, i'm looking forward to seeing how badly Raph's 2B+K series shuts down spammable moves like Leixia's wrB and 22B. Hopefully its slow enough that you could VE it on reaction as opposed to getting hit out of.
    WuHT, Jan 30, 2012
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