Step Mid-rangeTC short TC HorizontalATK(like AA)
SCH A N Y Y Y* (must be an attack within SCH A speed*)
SCH K Y N N N* (natsu AA only)
SCH B Y Y* Y* Y (depends on the speed of the TC. also depends on the distance between sieg and the opponent)
SCH B+K Y Y* Y* N (TC cannot be horizontal in nature)
SCH 4B+K Y Y N Y* (must have enough range to connect)
SCH G? ? ? ? ? (not enough data)
SCH K(delay) N Y Y Y
well to be fair, its always been a staple move. its a good move that does alot of things, and suits alot of situations. mind u it is byno means spamable either.
Of course that move is OP. Btw it can either be i15-i17 OR STC and do late realignment. And that -10 is right up in their face.
If by "space" you mean push back or create distance, yeah, there are better ways to just do that. 3B does that ok and it does other things. But I wasn't even talking it about using it as a "spacing" tool, when I say "spaced 3B" I mean a 3B that's used at an effective distance (aka spacing). In this case it would be a 3B where fast As, 2As, or even Bs might whiff or evadable with 4B+K. This is where SCH A wouldn't be interruptable.
and he should be at least AS unsafe as the average character.
:O .... you know what other differences there are?? Range, NH damage, TC, pushback, guard damage. Thanks for reminding me that SCV 3B actually puts on more pressure than SCIV WR B.
4B+K would only work at tip range. thats not the range where you would wanna use 3B at anyways, it isnt optimal outside punishment. too risky, as its linear. regardless, any closer than that, you could still TC SCH A with a launcher, most standard launchers have both TC and enough range to cover the distance i believe. and at very very tip range, if you block it, neither of us have any options, because sieg would be too succeptable to step at that range, and you would be out of range for all of your reverse mixup options unless you have a character with very good range.
true, but it simply means that the opponent has to put alot of though and effort into learning the matchup so that they are prepared to react and deal with this situation accordingly.
saying that 3B[G] is practically safe merely do to this instance is kinda ridiculous. again at the range it would take to do this, 3B could just as easily be stepped anyways. in top of that, as i said before, unless one of us acts at this range, neither of us would have any options. again assuming the character has the range, most standard launchers wouldnt have a problem TCing SCH A anyways. as for SCH B its also extremely linear, and if you find yourself eating it at tip range, i'd say you should re-assess the situation, as well as your current character's limits of dealing with the situation.
the only way this could EVER work is if SCH B was somehow faster than a launcher, which it never has been before. since we're assuming SCH A is still the same speed, i'll assume SCH B is still i18. that means even if 3B was 0 on block, you could still beat out SCH B with launchers while TCing SCH A, and all for counter hit mind you. also mind you if its at extreme tip range where launchers wont reach, the only way sieg can even hit you is if you do something. if he acts and you do nothing except maybe step a little, he'll whiff and you'll get a free punish.
again yea, the range is buffed, but outside of punishment you're hardly ever going to see 3B that far out. NH damage is still pretty equal to SCIV 3B, the TC looks to be about the same, the pushback boost is irrelevant IMO, and the move has always done good guard damage. thanks for reminding me.
honestly i'd far prefer the damage over the guard damage mainly for punishment and whiff punishment purposes, especially seeing as this is his main tool for both.
it's sooo much more than that. not to try to force anything on you, but dont u think thats a rather closed minded way of looking at it? probably the most important tool in his move list. again i'll reference panto's vid for a 2nd time, please watch it in detail, and perhaps find or even think of all the ways you can use 3B effectively in a match. using it frequently and properly is SOOO important, i'd even say its vital to siegfried's success as a chharacter. eliminate this launcher from siegs move list, and for all intents in purposes you're practically crippling the character. we'd might as well play a slower version of raphael then.
again sieg's always been a heavy hitting block pressure character even in SCIV. its one of the other things that allows him to force action. as for his tools for up close, nothing he has will ever beat out the effectiveness of a goot AA, BB, or 2A.
