AkazukinChaCha said:
Look I'm trying to stay out of this crap. But they are painting some pretty inaccurate pictures to anyone who questions their site over yours-
From my e-mail to Greg and Sasif asking why nationals site isn't done, yet they are working on CF:
Saif/Xianghua Alpha said:
Jaxel has become what he hates; threatening bans randomly, acting power hungry, and abusing the community - it's like WCMaxi all over again, only worse. All that, on top of the fact I still feel he intentionally wrecked CF on his "way out" of admin to help him build his site up.
CF.com is the only site that has the user base it does, and the community mindset I back. Neoshinji is setting up community based committees, and an open technical team. This leads to clear ban rules, and no 'one man' running the show. Neo may LIVE in Chicago, but he's not "the old chicago" WCMaxi ran by any extreme. I think he gets a bad rap for simply living in Chi, and having dealt with him as much as I have over the last year, I respect Philip alot.
8wr has a great facade, but I am concerned with it's future - it's like GI.com with a obvious flaw, waiting to explode. The main SC.com community has always lasted because it had the people caring about it. WC may be out of the picture, but I think that sets up CF.com with an even brighter future.
- Saif
NOW, I answered him and told him that is all pretty much BS, but I'm sure my thoughts mean jack shit to them.
The best way you can combat this is to NOT flame them, but take notice to their misinformation, and dispell it at every turn, professionaly- that way people will respect it.
Honestly the only big thing they can play against you easily, is the fact so many people dislike you or are annoyed by you, so they are willing to believe any bad things they hear. Improve your diplomacy and your leadership, and no one will have a reason to believe them or their lies, and they will self-destruct.
for serious.
-B
As you can clearly see I've been posting less in the thread... I'm instead restricting myself to posts that I can back up with factual data; such as the name colors on day one and the 65% growth rate chart. Frankly, it seems that the situation has evolved to the point where I don't need to fight this battle anymore, the community members are fighting it for me. In fact, if you want to post all this stuff in the thread, I'm okay with that too. Basically, all they are doing is spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) about 8WR, but its a lost cause when the uncertainty and doubt all lies within CF.
But I just lost all my respect for XA/Saif from this. Not a SINGLE person has ever been banned from 8WR; people who know how I worked at SSR and the Crooked Jester Forums, know that I am totally adverse to the idea of banning. I dont do it; especially with an infraction system in place. I don't ban people and lots of people know it; its one of the things I complained about to XCTU, rampant banning. And you can see from here that only two people have ever recieved infractions...
http://www.8wayrun.com/xperience.php?go=stats
Also, where am I acting power hungry? I am not forcing anyone to do things "my way or the highway". I'm not banning or giving infractions to people who don't agree with me. Sure, I often change titles of threads and re-arrange things, but thats to help keep things organized on these forums. Why would we want a forum thats disorganized, with posts in wrong sections... like a Cassandra Combo Video in the SCIV General section... with no moderators acting to move it. So where is the abuse? What they see as "abuse", I see as a failure on their part to properly moderate and maintain their own community.
Also, how would I intentionaly wreck CF on my way out? CF was already tipping it over, and if I wanted to wreck it, it would have been gone and wouldn't have taken 3 months. I don't mix personal issues with business issues; and I'm not so petty that I would screw the community over like they would. The day I de-admined myself on CF, I de-orphaned the forums again, I restored the title images (otherwise they would have been broken, which I could have done, but I chose not to), and I made back-ups of the database in case the server went down without me...
Which of course it did, it just took 3 months because the events of launch week turned away thousands of people and they never came back to the forums again. The times the forum actually needed to be up and running smoothly, it wasn't. If you read the admin forums at 8WR, there are clear infraction rules... there are no ban rules because... WE DONT BAN PEOPLE! Time and time again has proven that Neoshinji doesn't care about the community.
"The main SC.com community has always lasted because it had the people caring about it."
