Use your imagination! Talim ideas (for fun!)

We're talking about this gameplaywise or other things like aesthetics?

Gameplay: I'll contribute more later when I have time to go back to SCVI and look at some moves lol. But I think an increase in her range wouldn't be a bad start. As for stances, I'm wondering if one of the three has to be cut out. Since SCV has a smaller moveset and all, I'm thinking she's going to have to lose at least one of them. Wind Charmer is alittle useless now that we have quick step so I prefer keeping Wind Leap and Wind Salut as her two stances. WR 3BB could make for a useful BE attack. Make it similar to Lexia's BE (the one where she says I'm on fire. Idk what it's called cuz I have horrible Lexia knowledge).

Aesthetics: I hope she wears an even better hat than the one in SCIV.
 
darkwings13 said:
We're talking about this gameplaywise or other things like aesthetics?

Gameplay: I'll contribute more later when I have time to go back to SCVI and look at some moves lol. But I think an increase in her range wouldn't be a bad start. As for stances, I'm wondering if one of the three has to be cut out. Since SCV has a smaller moveset and all, I'm thinking she's going to have to lose at least one of them. Wind Charmer is alittle useless now that we have quick step so I prefer keeping Wind Leap and Wind Salut as her two stances. WR 3BB could make for a useful BE attack. Make it similar to Lexia's BE (the one where she says I'm on fire. Idk what it's called cuz I have horrible Lexia knowledge).

Aesthetics: I hope she wears an even better hat than the one in SCIV.
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yeah i have always wondered abut her stances especially in terms of JG and GI games becasue WL and WS would be very good for those kind of mix ups

WC yeah i could see it being taken out because of QS, but i have always imagined WC as an actual baiting stance that consists of high and low attacks and using a very rewarding, but very risky mid attack to have them fear punishing the stance and respecting her pressure game.

in a way i personally acknowledge WC as her simple "fear tactic oriented stance", WL as her "counter evasive stance" and WS as "her closing in stance."

just having WS and her BT moves would be fine though.

speaking of BT moves what about SC4 6B?

if that move were to exist it would be like -20 if JGed because of the BT animaton. i could imagine it being a frame trap if it were to exist mainly for BT, if it was in her movelist.
 
Talim wishlist:

Body: - 5'4 (previously 4'9) - 117 lbs. ( I believe she was 95 lbs) - Still flexible (She should be as/more flexible than before if she's kept up with practice). - Darker skin almost like her SC2 self and SC4 concept art. -Tint green hair.

Fighting style: -More of a wrestling technique. She already grapples, adding more would be a great addition to her moveset - A little more ground oriented, but some flips - A longer reach for tonfas -Faster (SC4 Talim was slow)

Clothing style: - No hat for 1p outfit. -A jeweled headdress for her 2p outfit -Similar SC2 1p outfit -A dress she can fight in.

Personality: - A bit more aggressive and decisive

Voice: SC2 voice, voiced by Julie Parker.

This what I want. I'll update later.
 
Wasn't it just BT B. The one where it stunned the opponent? If so, then it'd be alittle worthwhile even if it's unsafe when she has her back turned and it's not that slow if I can remember.

Speaking of which, she had alot of moves that allowed her back to face the opponent but after that, I never knew what moves I should use after lol. There's just BT A which allows for a simple RO but everything else was rather unsafe so I didn't use it. I think have one or two new moves for her BT would be a good idea. The old B+K A+B wasn't a great guard crush move and the BT unblockable one wasn't even realistic. The opponent isn't going to stand there and watch as she leaps backward twice in a row in front of their face and do that xD

As for grapples, she only had that one throw that was connected with WC. It didn't do much dmg and it didn't help with following up with any combos. Her throws are average in my opinion and I don't think it should be focused on. After all, her pressure game/mix-ups and speed were her strong points. That should be emphasized once again in SCV.
 
DW made me laugh when she said Talim's BT unblockable was unrealistic. I cant tell you how many times I've got my ass kicked for trying that.

As for BT. I believe BT K, BT B, and BT A were all unsafe. I need to look at her frame data again.

As for WC, it'd be pointless as there is quick step. Or it could be an alternate to QS.
 
darkwings13 said:
Wasn't it just BT B. The one where it stunned the opponent? If so, then it'd be alittle worthwhile even if it's unsafe when she has her back turned and it's not that slow if I can remember.
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No, it was 6B that entered BT on block, BT B made her go back to normal or you can chose to enter WC off of BT B on block or hit. Yeah BT B stunned.

darkwings13 said:
Speaking of which, she had alot of moves that allowed her back to face the opponent but after that, I never knew what moves I should use after lol. There's just BT A which allows for a simple RO but everything else was rather unsafe so I didn't use it. I think have one or two new moves for her BT would be a good idea. The old B+K A+B wasn't a great guard crush move and the BT unblockable one wasn't even realistic. The opponent isn't going to stand there and watch as she leaps backward twice in a row in front of their face and do that xD.
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yeah her BT game was basically mixing up between A (if they froze), B (if they ducked or used a TC move on disadv) or K (if they used AA or grab, i guess out of 2A range?).

Overall i disliked that type of logic because of all the moves she had that entered BT....it wasnt that felxible and the mix up was very slow to actually take effect.

I guess BT B+K was to bait back grabs or something to make BT K more effective???

I can see 3A and 6B being her moves to enter BT, but in terms og JG i think they would be killed easily.

personally i can see:

BT A being an aGI for mids
BT B being a feint like BT bG then enter WS or you can charge it for a guard break
BT K being a somewhat safe mid, TC/TJ.

if she gets a hit and enters BT i am pretty sure that backstep will kill the mix up, i can see BT B being a useful backstep killer .

that way she wont be overwelmed with BT entering moves and still maintining a felxible style outside of BT (because it could be killed easily)

if no BT then we can just have WS and WL.

darkwings13 said:
As for grapples, she only had that one throw that was connected with WC. It didn't do much dmg and it didn't help with following up with any combos. Her throws are average in my opinion and I don't think it should be focused on. After all, her pressure game/mix-ups and speed were her strong points. That should be emphasized once again in SCV.
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yes i agree, her throws where not that good bu they offered excellent RO potential.

on the WC grab......it wasnt that useful. it basically was a punishment if the opponent froze up. that WC B and WC grab mix up for high reward.

she already has the 236B+G grab. it could be 66B+G or A+G BE but the WC grab can repace the BE or B+G version to easily enter BT. it should combo with BT K if it was a normal grab or if a BE combo with BT B

But if WC or BT were taken out i doubt it would exist.

yeah she had a lot of felxibility in terms of mix ups and mind games in SC4 , the allowed her to enter her stances more safely
 
optymuss said:
she already has the 236B+G grab. it could be 66B+G or A+G BE but the WC grab can repace the BE or B+G version to easily enter BT. it should combo with BT K if it was a normal grab or if a BE combo with BT B

But if WC or BT were taken out i doubt it would exist.

yeah she had a lot of felxibility in terms of mix ups and mind games in SC4 , the allowed her to enter her stances more safely
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I like the idea of that throw becoming a BE attack. It could do some good dmg and thanks for the reminder that her throws had amazing RO potential.
Any ideas for differences she should incorporate in SCV besides having a slightly longer range?
 
Storywise I want her to take ZEWI's role as the one who looks into people's hearts or their "wind" and decides who is chosen to weild Soul calibur, she being a preiestess would have the power to purify the evil inside Pyrha and expose Tira and Zasalamel for their manipulation of the Swords. She would be the one to tag on with Patroklos to look for Pyrha and free her. She would also be the one to tell Viola/ZWEI they aren'treally evil but misguided misfits.
 
I agree with most of what you said but Talim wouldn't go looking for someone to wield Soul Calibur. She knows the sword is evil and is capable if warping the balance of nature like Soul Edge. For me personally, I think she spent the last few years travelling around and healing any malfested that she came across. With the swords reappearance, she'll probably hunt them down and try to seal them away for good.

*I really like the idea of her meeting Zwei and Viola and telling them something like 'humans and malfested are the same. A life is a life' or something like that. It's funny though, since I have a strange feeling that Zwei and Talim is somehow connected. And it's not because the of their weapons.
 
darkwings13 said:
I agree with most of what you said but Talim wouldn't go looking for someone to wield Soul Calibur. She knows the sword is evil and is capable if warping the balance of nature like Soul Edge. For me personally, I think she spent the last few years travelling around and healing any malfested that she came across. With the swords reappearance, she'll probably hunt them down and try to seal them away for good.

*I really like the idea of her meeting Zwei and Viola and telling them something like 'humans and malfested are the same. A life is a life' or something like that. It's funny though, since I have a strange feeling that Zwei and Talim is somehow connected. And it's not because the of their weapons.
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Talim giving Patroklos the sword seems to be the only way that him getting it makes any sense. ZWEI having it in the frst place made no sense enugh. Also I don't remember if SC being evil was canon. In Talim's ending she said she didn't care what the swords really were.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Talim giving Patroklos the sword seems to be the only way that him getting it makes any sense. ZWEI having it in the frst place made no sense enugh. Also I don't remember if SC being evil was canon. In Talim's ending she said she didn't care what the swords really were.
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Fact is, Pat was given the sword after Zwei brought him to Siegfried. Unless someone wants to go back to Astral Chaos and go back to the past (again), what's done is done. And her endings never said anything of the sort. SCII, she returned SE back to its original place and was happy to hear the wind was normal or something. SCIII, she destroyed SE. SCIV, she asked the wind to bring peace and tranquility to all and said to Algol she'd return the swords to their true forms. What that means, I'm actually not sure.

It also said in her SCIV profile, the visions Talim received of the pure and holy sword made her believe that it was a blessed weapon that was calling for her across great distances. But after awhile, she realized that both swords are capable of warping nature. That's why there's red arrows connecting her to the swords in the Chains of Souls thing. She doesn't want to wield the swords or let anyone use them if she knows that the balance of the world and nature will be affected.

Talim's a relatively simple character because of her simple but kind ideals. She just wants things backs to normal. The same way she healed the boy at the watermill village, she would like heal all of the malfested and proceed to get rid of the sword so that things can be normal again.

So far, it's implied in SCIV that she, Kilik and Cassandra are the ones to see that SC isn't as holy as everyone seems to believe.
 
Oh I see. Yea, where are you Talim fans out there?! (>T^T)
Anyway, I'm finally done my SCV concept picture of her.
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I've based all the spiraling lines on the gold and white strips from her elbow blades, Syi Salika and Loka Luha. The highlights on her green hair took a long time but I'm pretty pleased with it since it emphasized some kind of wind feeling as it flows loose and unbound. I originally wanted to color the outfit green, but blue was a nicer contrast with her hair. Umm let's see... Oh yea, I based the outfit on a mix from her SCIV 1p and her SCIII 2p. I wasn't sure about the boots at first since she usually wears sandals but I thought they looked nicer on her. She did wear boots in SCII 1p and SCIII 2p so I guess that works. (>;^_^)
(Yes, that light blue part on her shorts and supposed to be see-through. Couldn't get it right though).
 
I mained Talim during SC2, 3, and the beginning of 4, and SC3 Talim was by far my favorite in terms of how fun she was to use. So if they bring her back I hope she plays more like she does in SC3.
 
OOFMATIC said:
I mained Talim during SC2, 3, and the beginning of 4, and SC3 Talim was by far my favorite in terms of how fun she was to use. So if they bring her back I hope she plays more like she does in SC3.
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In what ways was Talim better in SC3 than SC4?
 
I don't need my imagination, just bring back the old good Talim and say she didn't age due to [insert asspull excuse here]. I really can't imagine a 40 years old Talim (or any 40 years female character) working well in aesthetics without lot of butthurts.

Don't missunderstand me, I would LOVE to see a 40 years old woman in a SC game, but as a NEW character, something you could like since day one. Taking an old character and transforming her into a 40 years old...no thanks. And...lets be honest, if they hypothetically added a 40 years old Talim she would look at most like a 3o years old Talim (like Tira, Ivy, Hilde...). And to have that I prefer the 15 years old Talim.

May be make her outfit less flashy than in SC4, something simple, without hats and such, something like SC2 pj1. And give her a piercing in the bellybutton. The later is important XD

About her fighting style...never really used her aside of ocasional battles so couldn't say which was the best version, so...any would be fine. May be they could mantain the style but makit it a bit more...dancing-like. Don't know how to explain well it in english. She should move (even more) like a dancer.
 
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