Viola Frame Data Discussion

if it comes to frames they could do a few little buffs: 33K should be -9 or so on block instead of -13 which is ridiculous on such a move, and 44B and ORB 44AB should be -13 instead of -14 - it would be more of an Pyrrha/Omega nerf than Viola buff actually :P
I would also like her 1A+B and 1A to be -17 or -16 instead of -bazillion like they are now, but these aren't so important since they are rarely used without SET 6B+K insurance anyway

Frame data for 6B+K into immediate attacks (hereby referred to as 6B+Ki) would be useful. For example

6B+Ki 1K is +10 on hit (i25 1B trades with i15 NM 1K), +7 on block (i14 B clashes with i21 Viola 4B)

I'll test the rest after the patch

66B is now i21 from i24

yup, and 4B and WR B are only -5 on block now (they were -8 or so, don't remember since i changed it immediately after testing yesterday)
Actual frame data

How about 33B and 33(B)? Any changes?

yes there are! good you asked or i wouldn't think about it. 33(B) is now -2 or -3 on block and 33B is -10 or -11

i don't think it was mentioned in the patch notes, were they always like that? o.0

edit:
33B is -10 (i couldn't punish with Cervy's aB which is apparently i11) and 33(B) is -3

33B must be -11 actually. It is not punishable with Viola AA (i12) but it is pushable with Pyrrha AA and Leixia AA which are i11 (according to the stickies).

you are right. Lol, and i picked aB to test :P updated my FD sheet

Aren't the notations wrong here?

Yes, they are. The data for the moves doesn't include the time for doing SS.

Hey there, mods :P

use my spreadsheet, its correct

I guess I've become unofficial mod for this forum then.

K.

Do note - putting the frame data in isn't as easy as you'd think. The formatting takes a while. So I suppose I'll get on it - didn't think I was gonna be doing it, though.

thank you Dest <3

No problem. We're still missing JG data and a lot of CH data.

And in case you were wondering why formatting takes time:

I have got a question regarding SET 6B+K. How long is Viola frozen in her summoning animation? As in, how long does it take for her to be able to move again after inputting SET 6B+K? The data only mentions when the orb hits.

Actually I was referring to the 22/99 and 33/88 notations. Shouldn't they be 22/88 and 33/99? Kinda confused me at first :P

they should. As for SET 6B+K i was to lazy to test this thoroughly, but it is somewhere around 20 frames.

My data is conflicting some of the data on the sheet. Two examples:
- 1K is a TC and it doesn't leave you in FC as your sheet says.
- 2K is not a L, it's a SL.

Also, B+K BE launches for 37 damage. The other 13 only occurs if they hit the floor unharmed. I would list it as two separate hits.

you are right about 1K and i may take that suggestion about B+K(BE) but there is no way in hell 2K is a SL

When I wrote the post it was showing up as SL in Training Mode. Now it's showing as a L again. Honestly no idea what happened there.

Maybe I temporarily confused it with 2A on the sheet. In that case, nevermind.

Hello, I'm a new Viola moderator. I'd like to say that Panther's work is very commendable, however it needs to be set out in a more orderly fashion.

Viola - Frame Data - SC5

As you can see I have not completely finished yet, as it takes a while to update it using the code. I will finish it later on.