Why does our community cater to noobs and whiners?

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Hilde is the worst thing to happen to soul calibur, not because she is broken (she is) but because she causes unnecessary and constant WHINING

And to my knowledge this is the first time I've ever publicly put her in a negative light.

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

So then... how do you do with a four button Hilde? Same, worse, a lot worse? You still scraping Alex even without binds? I'm just curious. :)

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Practiced, not played lots of matches with anyone (no point with binds). I might consider it this weekend but It would a lot getting use to guard canceling in attacks. I would have to put way more time into 4 button playing before I could transfer everything I know over comfortably.

Also I don't really 'scrape' Alex :P

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Haha. Trying to downplay your dominance over Norcal with those binds, huh? lol j/k

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Please don't lock.

Why is it that everytime a semi serious topic comes along, people just want to close it cause is heavily debated?

Debate, discuss.

First, let's define. Binding = Switching a button like G or A to any button on the pad or stick.

Mapping/Macros = Allowing a double input like A+K, B+G to a single button.

Mapping historically has been looked down upon and banned most of the time in all fighting game tournaments, cause it damages the human error dept.

Binding has never been a problem before. But right now, Hilde is creatng a problem with it 'cause assigning another A or B on another button, ******GIVES HER ADVANTAGES****** like breaking throws while still retaining charge times, fucking up her risk/reward.

Hilde with the old Arcade setup (4 buttons only) still is a powerful character and the doom combo still exists, however, the risk/reward ain't as fucked up as there are solid counter strats and there is possibly more margin of error from the Hilde player.

Since this character creates these situations, my old suggestion from CF.com still stands. Let the players bind 4 inputs (G, A, B, K) to the buttons of their comfort, put a blank in the rest so there are no "slip ups", and slug it out.

The old "This is a console game, not an arcade one" argument, is all fine and true for the moment but since Hilde is ruining the competitive scene, these measures seems the most fair for all involved.

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Misinformation is awesome.

Hilde does not keep charge times when she attempts to break a throw. Any press of A or B resets her A or B charge time down to 0.

Also Angrel, how many Hilde's are winning tournaments? How can you even say she's ruining the competitive scene when you have shit (as in nothing) to back it up?

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

that said i'm not sure why all this attention is directed towards hilde. there are other cheap ass ways to use multiple same button binds...think of cervantes' fca+bbbbbbbbbbb GB. that shit bumps him right up a tier if you can do that GB every time. it is very hard to do, though, and i believe was intended to be hard. set 2 triggers to b or b+g and mash all 3 buttons and all the sudden the move is very very easy to do every time.

i've also encountered players who can JF tech out of bounce combos 90% of the time or more, a skill that is extremely difficult to do consistently. how do they do it? by setting 3 buttons to G and sliding across them when getting hit by a bounce combo.

there is no way anyone will ever convince me that that shit isn't a form of cheating.

....Did anyone read what lobo said? I have to admit, I DO THIS to ensure my Raphael's JF's, and do JF techs as well. I don't want it to be considered cheating, but I NEVER THOUGHT about Cervantes's garbage.....a character which I despise more then anything(yes, even Hilde).

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Breaking throws resets the charges regardless.

** I'm slow...

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

This thread makes me lol.

From what I've seen/heard, way more people have been winning tournaments with Kilik, Amy, and Voldo than Hilde.

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Cedric, I seem to remember Idle expressing his worries on this issue and people quiting because of it in his area.

Look at the videos SU posted.

For the moment, the only ones in this community dominating with her are you, KDZ and Shen Yuan.

So what?

People see it works, see is overpowered and you can't deny it isn't, and try to emulate to give themselves a better chance at tourneys. Common sense.

There are 3 kinds of people. People who will play Hilde now to not be at disadvantage in a tourney, people who will fight her with their character still and people who will quit because they don't wanna deal with something like that in a tourney.

All I'm suggesting is a fairer field. Obviously you may disagree but this isn't all just about you.

Do you want to see a scenario like:

1)Hilde
2)Hilde
3)Hilde
4)Hilde
5)Amy
6)Hilde

I obviously don't and hope not. That KILLS a scene.

I don't like banning characters either, so why not trying a solution for all parties?

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

If Balrog could use PPP and KKK buttons to charge turn punches and still use his normals in SF4, every SF player would make that shit illegal the moment they heard about it. Hilde is less extreme but the same basic idea.

I still think there's something to the concept of "standard controls" even in a console fighter. I've said this before, but a reasonable standard would be to use the minimum number of buttons required to perform all basic functions.

Also, why has nobody brought up mapping two A or B buttons? That's a similar issue that gives a major advantage to Cervy, as FCA+B goes from garbage to one of his absolute best moves with two B buttons to mash. It's also helpful for Amy and probably others I'm forgetting.

The one-button dash in Marvel isn't quite the same as these examples. Fanatiq wasn't gaining access to any new abilities, he just made one of the core abilities easier at the cost of an assist button.

I wouldn't really care about this either way except that I would like to see a standardized approach to mapping across all fighters, just so we don't have yet another reason for lame Evo drama.

EDIT: One last thing...SF4 Sagat is a better character in his game than Hilde is in hers. So is Eddie in Accent Core. Hilde actually has losing matchups, those guys don't. They don't even come close to "dominating" their respective games, so I don't see why Hilde would unless SC players just don't want to counter pick...

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Agreed.

Same with old ST Zangief matches and lariats if mapping was allowed.

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Yeah let me use a button setup I'm not comfortable with just to prove to some internet whiners that it's viable. Like I give a shit :P

@other points. Hilde isn't dominating, if it ever gets to the point where top 8 is mostly her then that's just the way it goes. Remember all those chuns in top 8 3s at evo?

Boxers style is quite different, I'm not too sure how it would work out if you could do that so I'll leave it be.

[edit] Wow im so bored im actually posting in this thread. I'm done with it, this is just the same stuff coming up over and over and over and over.....

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

Well here is my honest opinion on the matter.

You should not ban button bindings. The controller scheme was already made with button bindings (Throws, critical finish, etc.) so they obviously want you to do it. In certain situations, yes, button binding does help (hilde much more than others since you have to hold down certain things yada yada,) but in no way does it take much away from all the skill that this game takes.

Button binds add comfortability when it comes to playing, and also a more easily memorized button layout (Since you are the one who configured things in the first place.) Button binds can also be a bad thing since you sometimes have to sacrifice other buttons. (For example. A player may want to have his layout include A+B, B+K, A+K, and so he sacrifices his A+G, Critical finish, and B+G commands.) Also, complaining about button binds is basically saying "Well your a cheater for wanting to make it so you don't screw up your commands!" Screwing up your commands is generally a factor that can win/lose a match for you. And again, the fact that you had to probably sacrifice something that was already there is something that doesn't benefit button binding.

If you think people are noobs or cheaters just because they like to have A+B and B+K in certain places, then you are just ignorant. Modifying the control scheme is not a form of game abuse. In almost all games they already have buttons that have multiple inputs configured to their use. Why not just do that for yourself?

Why does our community cater to noobs and whin

I don't really care if my opponent uses button binds to play. It's just that SC has such easy execution requirements that using button binds is like using a calculator to add single digit numbers...absolutely retarded. It just seems so bizarre how lazy SC players are, and how vocal they are about their right to be lazy.