Wow, I didn't think you'd take it that far Belial. High tier? Really? I just don't see how that is at all possible. Too much of his stuff is gimmicky, and his match-ups against top tier are pretty bad. Also, this is in a game where there aren't a lot of bad characters. Exactly which characters do you think he is better than? I'd say he's better than Damp and probably Raph. You could maybe try to make the argument that he was better than Aeon, Ezio, or Tira, but I'm not sure if i'd buy that argument. I think its pretty telling that the best Zwei players can't seem to do very well in big tourneys right now, while there is still plenty of ignorance going around. As people start to wise up, its going to become even harder than it is now to win tournament matches with Zwei. It may be true that a Zwei could place top 8 at one of the smaller majors, but you won't see that happen at EVO or anything big like that. Plus, if a player did place top 8 at a major with Zwei, I bet that player would have placed much better using a different character (Maybe you would have won that streamed tourney if you had used Mitsu?). Now my Zwei is pretty damn good. I have only really encountered one other Zwei that could even keep up with me. But even still, when I look at my Zwei, I just know that I would be able to kick my own ass with my Maxi. My tools with Maxi are just so much stronger and they can easily shift the risk/reward away from Zwei. And Maxi is generally considered mid to high-mid tier, so saying Zwei is high tier seems pretty rediculous.