DID ANTICHRIST ALEX J TRULY CHEAT OUR PALADIN ENKINDU?

WELL?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Of course he did

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • West coast only cheats

    Votes: 6 31.6%

  • that feel when enk only gets cheated

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • Total voters
    19
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How does one cheat? Truely?
It's impossible to cheat because rules are made up and subjective on how to follow them
 
Thanks, Jimbo. I would've done it myself, but then it would look like I am forcing this on everyone. I only want my side to be understood. I know in my heart that Alex cheated me that day, and I will hopefully get my side all out in the open, and let the people make up their own mind. I will gladly explain it to you, Bubbles. Making a long post. Be patient. Glad you're back. Hope all is well.
 
Now, there isn't a TL:DR version and some details are cloudy from time, so beg my pardon if some things don't make sense right away. Unfortunately, GGL.com is no longer around, so I cannot show you the brackets, nor any other details. I am also proof reading constantly, and adding and changing things here and there to form a structured and detailed description of my recolection of the events. No doubt SC4 lagged, but the community hated that SC4's netcode was such ass, and while T5DR (Tekken 5) got a rewritten netcode patch down the road for their game, it left a sour mood in our community and everyone hated it. Everybody discredited online right away as a horrible place to determine who the better player was. It was basically spam lows at first chance, unblockables = trolling, oh also, if your low knocked down on normal hit that was even better, and always be buffering a throw-break (see mashing). Remember now, this was in the early stages and also how lag abusers became known for in 8wr later on, post-honor code. So everyone was doing this, and it was expected to be done in this tournament. I was prepared for the worst. Mitsurugi. 1A, and 2KB were so good, but I had trained to be able to anticipate it in enough time to block and also punish with a JF input 6:6B, 66B, 6:6{B} combo during this tournament. So I was most definitely prepared for lag abuse. I wasn't prepared for the connection being manipulated by Alex J during our match, which is what I am accusing him of.

TO BE CONTINUED
 
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Soulcalibur 4 was released July 29, 2008, 3 years after SC3's big flop. So much was happening at this time for our community. Soulcalibur.com forums were still around, and 8WR was fresh in its crusade to become the Calibur scene's community website, so Jaxel was adding features he thought would attract more people to migrate from SCDC.. My personal favorite was the addition of a chatroom. I frequented there, as I've been a member and supporter of the Calibur community since 2001. I use to be on mIRC #capcom #vfhome #tekken etc all of the time in the late 90's so I fully supported this idea and idled in the chatroom frequently. This is also how I first met Alex J. Never talked to him, or knew a thing about him other than he's from NorCal and played with those guys. Never saw him as a threat. Never saw him as not a threat. Just have no idea what to expect with him. I figured solid, but either way, I had been meeting nothing but nice people in that new chatroom thus far, so I never expected to be cheated by anyone there.

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Also that honor code junk just led to more problems rather than solving the online issues.
 
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HDPVR's were NOT around at that time, unless you bought a $400 video card for a desktop. so during this time, I had no actual digital capturing equipment. I did, however, have a DVR that would record to a DVD, but this required me to hook the Xbox up to the DVR thingy, and output that DVR thingy to the TV which caused the picture to be severely letterboxed, and unclear. I'm sure it also had to create some input delay too, so I avoided using that all together during this tournament. I did use it to make that Voldo combo video , but all of my other SC4 videos were recorded using a 720p handycam that I acquired later on (I wouldn't be cheated again). The capture card I had used to make the SC2 and SC3 combo videos, used composite cables (RED, YELLOW, WHITE video cables), and the input portion of the box had stopped working so it wasn't ever an option to me.

More to FOLLOW. (Alex J telling me to get laid when he isn't getting laid) Go figure. Oh hey Marginal. I got an idea. why don't you two go fuck each other, while I tell my side, K?
 
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So you said before that Alex seemed like a nice guy so you felt that you didn't need to record the match, and now you're saying you couldn't have realistically recorded the match via any viable method.

That seems contradictory.
 
I'm just trying to help. As you said, the truth would come out when subsequent retellings of said story started breaking down via changing details and contradictions. Don't want that to be on you old bean.
 
So don't read? Join in? Do you have to be told what to do? You aren't one of those girl-boys that frequent this place I hope. If so, you should have a bit more self-respect. You're only feeding their delusions of grandeur. Still can't believe Alex J told me to get laid. My god, this guy reeks of hypocrisy.

Back to what I was saying, (falling on deaf ears atm),

There was an announcement that Namco was sponsoring an online tournament. 3 online tournaments to be precise. All on Xbox, all were single elimination, and all United States, (Oofmatic still competed despite being from Canada, he got DQ'd for that, but he managed to go through 6 or so matches before anyone in the tourney from 8WR cared enough to say anything about him being in the tourney. If that gives you any idea of how serious people took this tournament and how one could and easily would cheat just to spite it. You can probably figure out, that back then, 8WR, SCDC, all of the FGC were so disappointed with the horrible netcode for this game. I too was disappointed, but it still had "Online Mode" and I could still play with those friends I've made in my many travels for SC2 that I hadn't seen since then because I never traveled to SC3's shitty tourneys either. I played online every day since release and when I heard about this tournament I signed up as fast as I could. You could sign up for and compete in all 3 tournaments and I think there was a player cap of 64 players per tournament iirc, but none received that many entrants I don't think. You'll have to forgive me on some details. GGL.com is no longer around, and that is the website that hosted, and ran these tournaments. It was like a wannabe gamebattles, but they held the double elim tourneys for this particular tournament because Namco gave em a bit of money, and they had no problem signing their life away for a few bucks. GGL really had no interest or investment into this tournament at all, and same goes for the people they assigned as "refs". I had signed up for all 3 tourneys, just like everyone else, and in the first bracket, I got eliminated by BlackMamba's Sophie, which was a beast, let me tell you. If you've never played Mamba before, he's like Alex J, only smarter, better, and if you must know, more handsome. Very simple style, but he has a mind for adapting. I tried my damnedest to beat him but I couldn't. He moved on to win that bracket along with another Voldo player on the opposite end of the bracket coming in 2nd. Those two secured their place in the finals and couldn't compete in any of the other tourneys taking place for this. The first tourney took the top 2 and only 1st place from the remaining 2 tourneys. So if you wanted to be in the finals, you had to come in 1st. The 2nd bracket is where I ran into Alex J. It was the finals, and must say both of us had an easy route to those finals. Here's where it all went down.
 
Alex, if I am leaving anything out, feel free to add your insight. You were there too, remember?
 
So the chat room could care less about what's happening in that tourney, especially since a DOA player came in 1st in the first bracket. They wrote it off even more after Mamba won the first one, ya see? Anyways, back to the 2nd bracket, Alex J and I are in the finals, so naturally we schedule our match through 8WR's nifty javachat that people were having so much fun messing around in. Anyone remember :nono:? Back to what I was saying, this was my first time talking to Alex J, ever, and it was in PMs so not to clutter up the chatroom with our "Online tourney nonsense" that nobody cared about. In talking to him, he didn't seem like he cared to win, especially being Cali to Fl connection, but I expected him to at least try, and in knowing who he's played with, I prepared. I've seen that type of stuff before, so I wrote it off as modesty, but honest. We set up the times for our match and made it official on GGL. Now I cannot tell you who hosted the room, if it was me or him, but I can tell you that he picked Mitsu and that was just who I was preparing for, so I went into the match with caution and care, it wasn't the first time I had faced a Mitsu online in SC4, so I knew what to expect, and how to handle it. I did not to get overly aggressive, and I allowed him time to hang himself. He was whiffing, and carelessly trying to lag abuse me, but even KrayzieCD will tell you, that shit doesn't work against us (offline players) So, with him doing exactly what I had expected, the first two matches were over in the blink of an eye, without a niche and thoughts of being in Southern Cali once again were entering my mind. I still stayed focused and calm, because I only had to win one more match to make it official, and Alex would most certainly be trying his hardest as it's his last chance to lose.

Start Game 3.
 
I remember the stage exactly, it was Lizardmans stage as I specifically remember bouncing him off a couple of those lizards surrounding the stage. Things were still going according to my plan and the first round goes to me again. 7 straight rounds mind you, Alex wasn't even close to the worst lag abusing Mitsu I've faced, and couldn't hold a candle to someone like Corrondo who was notorious for his lag abuse dominating the online world in SC4. Alex was just as easy as anyone else I met in that tournament. I am up either a round or two, but he was still whiffing and being foolish, and falling victim to Voldo's post 1[b} pickup mixups (+8) of either a mid combo starter or throw. I remember the exact moment in happened; Alex was just outside of sweep range, in the process of whiffing a 2KB. I was in the process of charging up a FC 3A+B to release as an unblockable attack at the moment Mitsu's 2KB was no longer in a TC position as the punish, which also had the potential of becoming a ringout because of Alex's current position being his back to the edge. (I really was bouncing him off lizards) This is the exact moment when the game freezes. Now I can't tell you "by what means" Alex J used to cheat , it could be the "standby" button he pressed on his modem that cheaters on H2 made famous (If you've played H2 with Alex J back then and he standby'd please speak up! It's important), or if he activated his bit torrent client while seeding "Lucky Star", or if he had a "lag switch" which he's so conveniently trying to twist this as to what I am accusing him of, so I highly doubt he is smart enough to make one of those. I'm opting for the standby button to be honest because, after what felt like 30 seconds but was probably only 10, the game unfroze and the connection went from a consistent 4bar (5 bars was the highest in SC4) to a steady 3bar never peaking higher than that for the remaining games. These last 3 games had the longest input delay I have ever experienced in all my time on SC4 and even SC5 online. Alex's playstyle once the game unfroze changed dramtically too, he was no longer whiffing carelessly and foolishly, he was actually starting to play with some strategy by actually doing nothing other than staying in full crouch and one after the other, as if he's got some inpenetrable forcefield that I can't get through, FC K, FC B, FC K, FC B, over and over to chip and poke at my health bar while my inputs based on reaction were coming out 5 seconds later. I actually counted this. Like I said, I played online a lot and little things like input have to be taken into account, because it is being used against you, ya know? But before I know it, round is over, and I am dead. At this point, I was thinking it was a hiccup in the connection somewhere, it happens. His playstyle though, was really vivid of someone who's experienced in playing in that type of environment. It was all way too calulated; I would rush in, get bombarded with 2A 2K that I can't react to, hoping to get him to slip up and whiff after his FC A FC K spam pushed me too far out, but he would stop attacking right before it pushed me into that range. He wins game 3 but barely barely. 3-2.At this point I was still in shock, but I figured since that match was over and we were about to start a new game, that the connection would reset and be back to normal typical SC4 lag? Nope, same 5 second lag, and he barely barely beats me again 3-2. At this point I can't actually believe this is happening, I have no way to prove it's happening, and while nobody in the 8wr community cares about this tourney taking place, nor regards any winners as champions, what I had said was happening was disregarded and ignored. I feel as though I could still beat him, and maybe still, it could be his mom on netflix or something. Through anger and frustration, shock and disbelief I press on. Determined and convinced I could still win, I continue, and barely barely lose again. Sealing my fate as defeated 3 games. I attempted to dispute but without any video evidence to back up my claims, the results stood. I messaged Alex after it happened, hoping to at least get him to ackowledge the lag interfering during the third fourth and fifth games, but he just laughed and started making fun of me. I responded telling him I couldn't believe he would do that to me, and he laughed some more. After I did finally get the chatrooms attention, my claims were written off as me being inferior and to just accept it. I would have no problem in doing that if I didn't feel cheated, and manipulated. Alex got Cedric to say that he saw these messages of me "crying" that I had sent Alex after he cheated, and soon Hates came in backing up the lie as well. I let it go. I know how it looks, but most of you should know me better than that. I can take a loss, and play in lag. I have never experienced anything like that, ever again.
 
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