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Gatsu
[14] Master
Somebody removed the mask too :D
Raph confirmed as SCV Nightmare :D
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KiraxSummers
[13] Hero
Well that's that, then XD Either Raph is Nightmare or PS got lazy. REAL lazy.
Habast
[12] Conqueror
jtdam09
[13] Hero
We'll see about that....soon....Or they're majorly trolling us.
Diashi!! Dat face... All right listen up. Since NM is the same height as Raph, and has the same voice actor as Raph in English and Japanese, we can assume Raph is NM. NM even groans in pain if he defeats Viola. Normal Raph is still in the game just like Siegfried was in SC3/4 alongside his alter ego. When and how Raph became NM, we don't know (didn't he get soul calibur in SC4??), and I'm pretty sure Raph will be in future SC games since he has a new story in which he is wandering for Amy. Zwei did kill NM in SCV story mode, but I highly doubt it resulted in Raph's demise. Both soul calibur and soul edge were destroyed in the end, which could explain why Raph awoke to an entirely different world. Since it was confirmed Raph died once, I strongly believe Raph died when Graf Dumas was killed. Maybe some people found him unconscious at Castle Denever, not knowing who he really was, just threw him into a cell for causing all the ruckus across Europe. Raph's vampiric powers probably revived him from there and all he can remember is Amy, his past, and his plans of a new world.
Ninjaguy446
[14] Master
We can't actually know for sure if Raphael is Nightmare but I suppose we could assume. As previously stated by others, for all we know, Project Soul got very very lazy and decided to use Raphael's model for Nightmare's base although that is very unlikely (hopefully).
Kirio4
[09] Warrior
-Facepalm-
DevilsDisguise
[13] Hero
It IS possible that maybe he WOULD have became nightmare at some point if he had a story... but the most likely thing that actually happened was he just has the same model because they were too lazy assuming we werent suppsed to see his face.
KiraxSummers
[13] Hero
Then what was to stop them from using, say, Sieg's model (who must have more similar animations to NM)? Or Zwei for that matter? This revelation, added up with everything PS has been hinting at (reaction to Viola where Raph also has one, hints in both stories, go back a few pages -there's lots) is just way too much to be coincidence.
I feel like, at some point of the story they had planned out but didn't finish, we were to see his face.
I feel like, at some point of the story they had planned out but didn't finish, we were to see his face.
ChaosK
[13] Hero
I feel like its probably due to the genericness of raphs face/height.
Kirio4
[09] Warrior
face/height, the voice, all? XDDDDDDDDD
Ninjaguy446
[14] Master
Why the facepalm? Lol
Detectives don't believe in coincidences. I really hope it's not because they're lazy and they're hinting at certain things such as Raphael being Nightmare.
KiraxSummers
[13] Hero
There is nothing generic about using such a hinted at character in this way. They actually changed his official height to match Raph's where NM was Sieg's height before. Heck, they drew him that way in the storyboards!
Besides, if there was one thing PS made an effort with, it was their character models. For any fg, that is one of the most important things. Since when did we start believing they are not professional developers? They took a lot of shortcuts. But this sort of thing is not one of them.
Besides, if there was one thing PS made an effort with, it was their character models. For any fg, that is one of the most important things. Since when did we start believing they are not professional developers? They took a lot of shortcuts. But this sort of thing is not one of them.
Kirio4
[09] Warrior
sometimes...some comments with the words "Lazy of Namco" as theory XD when everything is equal and perfectly they able to occupy another model and voices of cas for Dumas... that´s all XD (sorry for my english)
DevilsDisguise
[13] Hero
Maybe because Dumas doesnt look like him?
Them taking some time constraining shortcuts doesnt make them lazy. There have been plenty other games that do things like this in belief that we aren't supposed to see what was covered up.
darkwings13
[14] Master
I'm pretty sure Raph is Dumas, based on all the hints that's been uncovered. I don't want to re-iterate all the things that have been said but you get my drift. However.... HOWEVER.... there's something strange with the order. Most ppl assume Dumas turns back into Raph after he lost to Zwei and was thrown in jail/prison for being an evil dictator guilty of heinous crimes blah blah blah. But why would he be in a crummy dungeon? He's bound to be prisoner#1 in there and everything should be pretty high on security around him. But based on the descriptions from Raphael's story, it's like some abandoned far off prison in the middle of nowhere.
That's the one thing that's bugging me. If anyone has good food for thoughts, lay it out and discuss so that I may be enlightened.
That's the one thing that's bugging me. If anyone has good food for thoughts, lay it out and discuss so that I may be enlightened.
KiraxSummers
[13] Hero
Sure. If they really were lazy, and wanted to save time, they'd use Raph's model which has completely different animations as compared to Sieg for the sole reason that Raph looks a little more like Dumas. Imo, doesn't that seem stupid and counter-productive? If they were really just being lazy?
Don't want to flog a dead horse. For a hell lot of convincing arguments, please turn the pages XD
Don't want to flog a dead horse. For a hell lot of convincing arguments, please turn the pages XD
jtdam09
[13] Hero
Double facepalm
ChaosK
[13] Hero
Animations and char models are two completely different things, as can be seen in the mod scene, where people switch a chars moveset onto a different chars model with little effort.
Imo Raph is clearly the most obvious choice for a char like dumas because his looks resemble the aristocrat type best.
KiraxSummers
[13] Hero
Whatever you say. I just think the proof is in the pudding ;)