Free Punishment

[Thatman_Blaze]

* the blue color indicates aGI usage. Sometimes aGi is the only way to "punish" opponent, so...
** If SW 6B9K is too difficult for you, use 8B+K,K instead, but keep in mind that it does less damage

Credits to Linkrkc and Ring for providing all this info about Ivy's Punishing Game. Also credits go to Orionics for his Yoshi punishment thread which was very helpful! I hope he doesn't mind if we make this thread in a similar way. Lets start with...

Algol

[A]

aB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
1A = SW 6B9K (22B up close), CL 66A, WP 66B
3A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
3AA = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
4A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
6A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
6AA = SW 4B (wall only)
6AAB = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
623AB = launch after the B whiffs
11A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
33_66A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K



3B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
4B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
6BBB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
623B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
11B = SW 6B9K, CL WS B/66A, WP 66B
33B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
66B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
66BA = SW 6K (22B close), CL 66A (3B at wall), WP 6K (66B at wall)

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K/WS B (launch distance dependent), CL 66A, WP 6K
2K = SW 6B
4K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
6K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
6KK = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
WJ K = SW 4B
11K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

A+B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
6B+K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (all at wall only)
8B+K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
2A+K = SW_CL_WP 4K
66A+B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B

[Stance]

QI K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
QI A+B = SW 3B+K, CL 66A, WP 22B
QI B+K = SW_CL 6K (at wall only), WP 3A

Amy

[A]

1A = SW WSB, CL WSB, WP WSB,B
4A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
66A* = WP A+B (*66A is +5 on block but it is so slow that you can WP A+B on reaction)
44A = SW6B9K, CL_WP K
44ABA = last hit whiffs iyf you release G



6BBB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
3B = SW 6B9K, CL A,A, WP K
3BA = WP A+B, WP 4A+B (use only near wall/edge)
1B = SW WS B, CL_WP 6K
4B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
4B,B = CL 214B between 1st and 2nd B
FC 3B = SW 1K, CL_WP K
FC 1B = SW 6B9K, SW WSB, SW_CL_WP 6K
44B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
1KA = CL 6A+B between K and A - 75DMG!, WP A+B, duck A = SW_CL_WP WS B
4K = SW 1A
4KK = SW6B9K, CL_WP K
WS K = SW6B9K, CL_WP K

[A+B]

66A+B = SW6B9K, CL_WP K
6A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
2A+B = SW 6
8A+B = SW 6
FC A+BA = SW BB, CL_WP 4K, WP 4A+B (between A+B and A, use only near wall/edge)

[B+K]

2B+K = SW WSB (wont launch..), CL_WP 4K
4B+KB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
66B+K = SW_CL_WP 6K

[STANCE]

236A = SW 22_88B, SW_CL_WP 4K, CL 3B, WP 66B
236B_BB_BBBBB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
236K = SW 6B9K, CL A,A, WP K

A+B,A = SW 1K, SW 6, CL AA, WP K
B+K,K = SW 1A (only near wall/edge)
B+K,B = SW 6B9K, CL A,A, WP K

Astaroth

[A]

1[A]A = SW_CL_WP 4K, CL_SW WS B (all against wall only)
2A = SW_CL_WP 4K
3A = SW 6B9K
6A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
6AB = SW_CL_WP 6K, SW 22B, CL 3B
214A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
214Ax2 = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
214Ax3 = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
214Ax4 = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
214Ax5 = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
214Ax6 = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
WJ A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
22A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA
22AA = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA (all depend on distance)
33A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
44A = SW_CL_WP 6K (near wall)
66A = SW_CL_WP 6K (near wall)
66AB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B/6B (B also interruptable by moves around i20 or faster)



B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA (all near wall only)
1B = SW 6B, SW_CL_WP WS K
3B = SW 4B (at wall only)
9B = SW 4B (at wall only)
WS B = SW 4B (at wall only)
11B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
11BK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA (all near wall only)
22B4 = SW 22B, CL 66A/3B, WP 66K
33B = SW 4B (at wall only)

[K]

1K = SW 6B, SW_CL_WP WS K
2K = SW 6B
4K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K
4KK = SW WS B, CL 66A, SW_CL_WP WS K/6K
6K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA
WS K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, SW_CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

A+B = SW 22B/66B, CL 3B/66A, WP 66B
2A+B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
4A+B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
2B+K = K trades with high throw followup (no grab) and beats low throw
6B+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

Cassandra

[A]

AK = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
1A = SW WS B, CL_WP WS K
3A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
3AK = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
4A = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K



2B = SW BB, CL 2A/2K, WP 2K
2BB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
2B8B… = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
4B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
4BB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
FC 1B = SW 6B
FC 3B = SW BB, CL 2A/2K, WP 2K
11_44B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
2K = SW 6B
3K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
6K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
WJ K = SW 66B, CL 66A, WP 3B
33K = SW WS B, CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

8A+K,K = SW 6B (wall only)
B+K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
B+K,B = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
4B+K = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
8B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
4A+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
8A+K = SW 4B
8A+K,K = SW 66B, CL 66A, WP 66A
11_44B+K = SW WS B (launch depends on angle), CL_WP 6K
66A+B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (all at wall only)
66B+KAB = SW 6B9K/WS B, CL 66A, WP 6K
66B+KAK = SW 6B9K/WS B, CL 66A, WP 6K

[Stance]

236A = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
236AB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
236B = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 66B
236 = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

Cervantes

[A]

aB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 3B, WP 66B
3AB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 3B
1A = SW WSB, CL_WP WS K
WS A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 3B, WP 66B
66A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
33_77A = SW 1A
88A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
11_77A = SW WSB, SW_CL_WP 6K
11_77AA = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44aB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44aBB = SW_CL_WP 6K



BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
BBB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL WSB, WP 66B
bA = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
66B = SW_CL_WP 6K
6BB = SW_CL_WP 6K
6 = only near wall/edge SW 1K, SW 4B, SW_CL_WP K
6B = only near wall/edge SW 1K, SW 4B, SW_CL_WP K
3B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
2B = SW 1K or SW 4B
1B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
4BK = duck K for free SW_CL_WP WS B
WS B = SW 22_88B, CL 3B, WP 66B
WS BB = SW_CL_WP WS K
8B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
44B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K (only near wall/edge)

[K]

1K = SW_CL_WP WS K
11K = SW_CL_WP WS K
4KK = only near wall/edge SW 1A, CL 214B between 1st and 2nd K
421 K = SW_CL_WP WS B

[A+B]

A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
6A+BB = SW SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 66K
6A+B:B = SW_CL_WP 6K
2A+B = SW 6, SW 2A
FC A+B = SW 22_88B, CL 3B, WP 66B
66A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[B+K]

2B+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
2[B+K] = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
8B+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[STANCE]

GDR = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
iGDR = backthrow, SW 22_88B, CL 3B, WP 66B
214A+K = SW 6K, CL WS B, WP 66B

Darth Vader

[A]

WJ A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
11AB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K



1B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
3B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
6BB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
33B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
44B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
66B = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K

[K]

None…

[Simultaneous]

4A+B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
B+K,B = SW WS B, CL 66A, WP 6K
2B+K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (all at wall only)
4B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
44B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

Hilde

[A]

1A = SW WS B, CL_WP 4K
22A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
22AB = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K



B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (all at wall only)
1B = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K (close range)
3B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
6BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (close range)
6BBB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
11B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
33B = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
44B = SW 66B, CL 66A, WP 3A
66B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K (all at wall only)

[K]

1K = SW WS B/6B9K, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
1KK = SW_CL_WP 6K
2K = SW 6B
9K = SW 6B9K
33K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K

[Simultaneous]

2A+BK = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 66K
4A+B = SW_CL_WP 6K (close range)
6A+B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
WS A+B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
2B+K = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
4B+K = SW_CL_WP 6K
6B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

[Special]

C1 B = SW 4B
FC C3 AKA = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
FC C3 BB = SW_CL_WP 6K (close range and at wall)

Lizardman

[A]

1A = SW_CL_WP WS B (SW’s won’t launch), SW_CL_WP 4K
1AK = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
11AK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44A = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, SW_CL_WP 6K (4K on charge version)
44AB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K



2B = SW BB, CL 2A, WP 2K
2BK = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3B = SW_CL_WP 6K (CL 1B,B+K if at wall)
11B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
33B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[K]

1K = SW WS B (no launch) SW_CL_WP 4K (6K works, but 4K also beats LC shift)
2K = SW 6B
6K = SW 4B, SW_CL_WP K (all at wall only)
WS KK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
WS KKK = SW 22B, CL 6B, WP 3A/2B
33_66K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

4B+K~G = SW 214K, CL 2B, WP 3B
8B+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
BT B+K = SW 6B
33A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 66A
66A+B = SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 66A
66B+KA = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
66B+KAB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K

[Stance]

LC A = SW_CL_WP 4K
LC B = SW 44K
LC B+K = SW 1K, SW_CL_WP 2K
LC A+K = SW_CL_WP 4K
LC A+KB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K (all against wall only)

Mitsurugi

[A]

1A = SW 6B, CL_WP WS K
11A = SW 6B



bA = SW 6B9K (close only), CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
3B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
4B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
6B = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
6B,A+G_B+G = K trades with throw attempt
FC 1B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
11B = SW 4B
33B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
44B = SW_CL_WP 4K
66B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
66BB = SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 66A

[K]

kB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
1K = SW 6B
2K = SW_CL_WP WS B
2KB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
4K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
4KB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K
11K = SW_CL_WP 2K

[Simultaneous]

A+B = SW_CL_WP 6K
A+B6 = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
FC 1A+B = SW 6B9K, CL 6K/66A, WP 6K/66B
B+K = SW_CL_WP K
BT B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
A+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

[Stance]

MST B = SW 4B
MST 6B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
MST 6BB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
MST 4B~G = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
MST K = SW WS B (no launch), SW_CL_WP 4K
MST KB = SW_CL_WP 6K (or just stay ducking and let the B go over you)
RLC A = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
RLC [A] = SW_CL_WP 4K
RLC B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K, CL 66A
RLC K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

Raphael

[A]

1A = SW_CL_WP 6K
3A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
4A = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
11_44A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
11_44AB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
11_44A = SW 4B
22A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
22AB = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
22ABB = SW_CL_WP WS B



1B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
1BB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
3B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K (all at wall only)
3 = SW 4B beats Prep A; K trades
4B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
4 = K beats Prep A; SW 6B trades
6BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
6B = 6K trades with Prep A
6BBB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 6K
WJ B = SW 6B9K
WS B = SW 6B9K (close only)
FC 3B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
FC 3BB = SW_CL_WP WS B
22B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
33B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
66B = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
2K = SW 6B
33K = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
33KB = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

A+B = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
2A+B = SW 6B9K (at wall), SW_CL_WP 6K (close only)

[Stance]

VE B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
VE BB = SW_CL_WP WS B
VE K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

Prep A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
Prep BB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
Prep BBB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
Prep BBB:B = SW_CL_WP WS B
Prep K = SW 6B9K (WS B launches sometimes), CL 66A, WP 6K
Prep K:K = 6B9K (WS B launches sometimes), CL 66A, WP 6K
Prep A+B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B

SEA B = SW 6B9K
SEA K = SW 22B (strict timing; 6B9K probably better), CL 3B, WP 66B

Setsuka

[A]

aB = SW_CL_WP 6K (SW 6B9K at wall)
agB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
1A = SW_CL_WP WS B
1AA = SW 22B, CL 66A, WP 66B
6AA = CL AA (SW 6B9K, WP K at wall only)
FC 3aB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
11A = SW_CL_WP WS K
44A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K



bA = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
1B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
4B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K (all at wall only)
FC 3B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
22B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44B = SW 4B
44BA = SW_CL_WP 6K
66B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[K]

2K = SW 6B
6K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
11K = SW WS B, SW_CL_WP 4K
44KB = SW_CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

2A+B = SW_CL_WP WS K (at wall only)
FC 3A+B = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
B+K = SW 6B9K
BT B+K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
BT B+K:B = SW_CL_WP 6K
22A+B = SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 66A (SW 22B, CL 3B at wall)
44B+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[Stance]

A+K,B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K

Siegfried

[A]

AA = SW 6B9K (at wall only), CL AA, WP K
AAB = SW 6B9K
1A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
1AA = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
2A = SW WS B (close only), CL_WP 4K
3A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
6A = SW_CL_WP 6K
WS A = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
WS AA = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
22A = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
33_66A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K (all at close range only)



BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
BBB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
B2A = SW WS B (launches up close)/6B9K, CL_WP 6K
1B = SW_CL_WP 6K
3B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3 = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
4B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
4BB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
4BBB = SW 6B9K
6B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
WS B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
22_88B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
44B = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
44BB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
66B = SW FC 3B, CL 6B, WP 2B
>K = CL A+B,A+K, WP 3B+K combo, SW 22B; SW iWS B for RO

[K]

1K = SW 6B
2K = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
3K = SW 6B9K
3KK = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B, WP WS B/66B
3KKB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
6K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
11K = SW 4B
22KK = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
33_66K = SW_CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

2A+B = SW 6B9K (close only), CL_WP 6K
A+KAAB = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
A+KA2AA = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B
a+kA:2A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K
66A+B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
FC throw = SW_CL_WP WS K

[Stance]

SBH K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B

RSH A = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
RSH B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
RSH K = SW WS B/22B, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B/66B

SCH K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
SCH kB = SW 22B, CL WS B, WP WS B/66B

SSH A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
SSH AA = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
SSH B = SW 6B9K
SSH K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
SSH A+B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B (all near wall only)

Sophitia

[A]

AK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
1A = SW_CL_WP WS K
1AA = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
4AA = SW_CL_WP WS K
4AAA = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
WS A = SW 4B
11AA = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K (all at wall only)
33_66A = SW 4B (wall only)



B2 = SW 6B9K
2B = SW BB, CL 2A/2K, WP 2K
2BB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
2B8B… = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3B = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
FC 1B = SW BB, SW_CL_WP 2K
FC 1BB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
FC 1B8B… = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
11B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
33B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
44B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
2K = SW 6B
4K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
33K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K
66K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K

[Simultaneous]

3A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
WS A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
B+KB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
8B+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K/6K
WSB+K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
9A+K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
9A+KK = SW 44K, CL 66A, WP 3B
9A+KA = SW 22B/6B9K, CL WS B/66A, WP WS B
22A+B = SW 6B9K
66B+KA = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
66B+KAB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K

[Stance]

236A = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
236AA = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
236B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
236K = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
236236A = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
236~8BA = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
236~8BAB = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
236~8A = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
236~8AA = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

Taki

[A]

AAB = SW BB, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
1A = SW 22B, CL WS B, WP 66B
3A = SW 6B
3AK = SW 6B
4A = SW_CL_WP WS B
6A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
A6 = SW 6B9K, CL AA (near wall only), WP K
WS AAA = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 66B
66A = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K



BA = SW 4B
BBB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
BA6K = SW 6B9K, CL 66A/WS B, WP 6K
BAA = SW 22B, CL_WP WS B
1B = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
1BA = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
3bK = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
4B = SW 22B, CL 66A, WP 6K
WS B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
WS BB = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
22B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
33B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
66B = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K


[K]

KK2K = SW 6B
1K = SW 6B
2K = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
3KKK = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K
6K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
22K = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
66K = SW 6B9K, CL 1B,B+K, WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

2A+B = CL 6A+B, WP 6B+K
FC 1A+B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K

[Stance]

PO 8K = SW 22B/2B+K, CL 66A, WP 3/66B

The Apprentice

[A]

AAB = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
1A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
22A = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
33_66A = SW_ CL_WP 6K
33_66AB = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K (all at wall only)



1B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
3B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
6B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
6BB = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
6B3B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
236B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP WS K (all at wall only)
WS B = SW 1K
11B = SW 6B9K
33B = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
66A = SW_CL_WP 6K

[K]

1K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
1KK = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
1KKK = SW 6B9K, CL 66A, WP 6K
2K = SW WS B (launch distance dependent), CL 66A, WP 6K
2KB = SW 6K (at wall only), CL B, WP 3A
3K = SW 6B9K, CL AA, WP K
WJ K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP K
FC K = SW 6B
FC 8K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
22K = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
33K = SW 6B9K

[Simultaneous]

B+K = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
B+KB = SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
B+KB6B = SW 6B9K, CL_WP 6K
B+KB6BB = SW 6B9K, CL 3B, WP 6K
B+BB6B3B = SW 6A, CL_WP 66K (these are air hits for some reason)
2B+K = SW_CL_WP WS B

[Stance]

LEV AABB = SW_CL_WP WS B (all at wall only)

Xianghua

[A]

AAB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 66A
aKK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K/6K
aKB = SW_CL_WP WSK/4K, SW WS B (no launch)
1A = SW 6B
3A = SW_CL_WP 4K
33A = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K



1B = SW 6B9K
1BB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
3B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA
4BB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K, CL AA
6BB = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, SW WS B (no launch), CL 66A
11BA = SW_CL_WP 6K
11B2A = SW 6K, CL 66A, WP 6K
22B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K
33B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K
66BB = SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K

[K]

1K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K
2K = SW 6B
6K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K
1kAKK = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K/6K
1kAKB = SW_CL_WP WSK/4K, SW WS B (no launch)
WJ K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K
WS K = SW 1K/3K, SW_CL_WP K (all range dependent)
11K = SW_CL_WP 4K, SW WS B (launch depends on distance blocked)
33K = SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K
33KA = SW_CL_WP 6K, SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B
44K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K

[Simultaneous]

A+B = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP 6K, CL 1B,B+K
2A+B = SW_CL_WP 4K, SW WS B (launch depends on distance blocked)

B+K = SW_CL_WP WS K/6K, SW WS B (no launch)
66B+K = SW_CL_WP 6K, SW 22B, CL 3B, WP 66B (blockable at max range only)

2A+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K/6K
2A+K,2K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP WS K/6K
4A+K = SW 6B9K, SW_CL_WP K

WS A+B = SW_CL_WP WS B
WS A+B,2B = SW_CL_WP 4K

[Stance]

SXS B (when she doesn’t glow blue) = SW_CL_WP 6K

 

[dittO]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

I noticed that there is no thread for one of the more important aspects of Ivy.

hmmm...personally, I wouldn't say that Ivy's punishing game is one of her more important gameplay aspects.
On the contrary, I'd say that it's "sort of" the only gameplay aspect that Ivy is a bit...weak.

As other members have mentioned in another thread, a move can be called punisher, If it is "fast" (usually up to i15) and If it does decent damage. Also, other factors that affect punishing moves are: where this certain move hits (h,m,l) and how much range it has. Ivy has some options to punish in SW state, but most of them should be noted that hit high or have crapy range. Also most of Ivy's interruption tools, are also in SW.

It should be noted that Ivy also has some options from her a-GI moves, but these are situational and cannot be called punishing (more correct interrupting). Ring has provided nice info at the Ivy a-GI thread.

I don't know man, perhaps I could be wrong but I think Ivy has great damage potential, deadly mix-ups, very good throw game/CF game/RO game, great range, oki, pressure, UBs. But when it comes to punishment/interruption, I think it's where she suffers the most...

If you want my advice, just find which moves can be punished by SW 6B8K (high-low, i13 for 35 damage), and find the best possible ways to interrupt while in SW/CL/WP.

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

i totally agree that she lacks in that area just through my month or so playing her. I noticed her mixup, spacing game was pretty deadly. not to forget about her RO game although i havent completely worked that into my game yet.

but even then i still feel that she can be broken down into specific moves that can punish. i know all to well that it is pretty situational as to what may be guaranteed or not but in a basic situation it is still good to know what you get.

but if this in no way seems beneficial to ivy players then feel free to close this thread. i was just trying to help.

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

There's no need to close this thread. I think we are gonna need it. I'll start with Amy, because I hate her x) Thatman_Blaze, I'll edit your first post later with some anti-Amy info.

I agree with dittO that Ivy's punishing game is weak. However, things are different when we talk about Sword State alone. In SW, Ivy becomes totally different character when it comes to punishment.

Some info about punishing tools in SW, CL and WP.

Sword State (SW)

SW 6 (i14) is her fastest mid accesable from FC. It's only one frame faster than WS K, but it makes a huge difference.
SW 6B9K (i13) is her best punishing tool. 35dmg and advantage on hit, nice range. It's also accessable from FC, but since it's high, it won't work against some moves.
SW 1K (i13) is her fastest mid from neutral stance.
SW 4B (i12?) - im not sure about this one. Sometimes it doesnt punish i12 moves where SW 1A works. Still, one of the best punishers.
SW 1A (i12) - it has small range so use it for interrupting mostly. On CH you get 60~80dmg combo off i12 move! Clrealy one of he best pokes in the game.

My advice is to focus on SW 6 and SW 6B9K only. I use SW 1K for interrupting mostly, but it also comes in handy when opponent is too far for SW 6 to reach. Never use K in SW for punishing, because it's negative on hit.

Coiled State (CL)

Things are much worse here... Your fastest move is K, which is negative on hit, high, and you can't use it from FC.

CL A,A (i14) does only 20dmg and it's 0 on hit. Has nice range though
CL 2A (i15?) sucky damage, frame advantage

Whip State (WP)

Absolutely horrible for punishing.

WP 3A (i16) has a good range, but leaves you at massive disadv and does small damage. 6K is a better choice.

All stances:

K (i13) - fastest move in CL and WP, negative on hit,
2K (i15) I use it in a desperation :) disadvantage on hit
WS K (i15) really good, nice ranged mid with big advantage on hit
6K (i16) this one is also good. Nice range, nice damage, TCs and its accessable from FC.
4K (i??) not sure how fast this kick is, but it does decent damage and it's +3 on hit

 

[neoghaleon]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

what about SW: 8B or CL, WP: G8B
I noticed when fighting another ivy, that move can interrupt 214--> BBB
also good for a calamity setup

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

You mean CL 214 on block right?

SW 7_8_9B and CL_WP 7_8_9gB is pretty fast, but don't use it as a punisher, because it only useful when it hits on CH. On normal hit, it leaves you at -3 and on block it's -17 IIRC

btw edited last post

 

[neoghaleon]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

what's a good follow up for SW 1A?
on counter hit they just recoil and fall backwards...

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

There's nothing guaranteed after SW 1A on normal hit. On CH you have CH SW 1A, CL 1B,B+K, SW 214K combo.

Edited the first post with anti-Amy stuff. Any suggestions and correction are welcome and appreciated

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

thanks a lot for the amy info ring.

mitsu and cervy would be nice to know.

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Added Cervy. Just look at this poor guy... he is so unsafe. Sophitia must be his worst match up, because he eats her 236B:4 almost everytime.

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Ring - great job so far... we going to need a sticky on this thing soon with alla this useful info. some people just dont include punishment in their game and they just dont know what they are missing.

 

[dittO]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

but if this in no way seems beneficial to ivy players then feel free to close this thread. i was just trying to help.

It's ok dude. I never said that this thread should be closed (nor it's my decision to close ANY thread). I just commented on a certain phrase you mentioned. And since this is NOT just a normal punish-on-block-thread (but more correctly punishing through blocking/ducking/evading/interrupting/aGI-ing etc thread), it IS a must have ;)
(LOL! I should have checked Yoshi's thread to get what you meant ;p)

Anyway...

@Ring
Great job so far. If you need extra space, just know that you can also freely edit the second post of this thread (my post) to add any extra info you may like. If I manage to find any free time (and that's a BIG "If"), I may do the same for NM/Taki/Tira. In the meanwhile, it wouldn't be bad to see any anti-Soph or anti-Sieg...Dunno who's up to it...

One last thing...(Perhaps useless, but it'd be nice If we found even ONE use for this)
Lately I've been enjoying (ok...mostly for fun), using WP 3B+K, PB Cannon Version (PushBack Cannon, not RO Cannon) to push them faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away. I've always enjoyed that effect ;p
So I was wondering, If it was possible for us to use it in any guarranteed situations. I don't fully know the exact properties of this move yet...I mean is it indeed i18(?), TCs(?)...And the worst is I always forget to check it on practice...argghhh

 

[Angrel-San]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Great job on Amy Ring.

Keep it up!!!

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Thanks :) I can do Sieg next.

dittO, about WP 3B+K, if I remember correctly, it's much slower than i18. And it's probably like -30 on block x) but I want to make sure, and I will let you know after I check it.

 

[Orionics]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

i don't think its that much slower up close. i don't think it can be blocked post 6G.

just tested

SW 4A (-4) is blocked. WP 3B+K double hits with SW 3K (i15) which means WP 3B+K is i19.

 

[dittO]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Just checked a bit WP 3B+K.
Funny thing is that this shit TC's almost (instantly) from 0 frames.
Still looking for decent ways to use it ;p

 

[Sora]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

Just checked a bit WP 3B+K.
Funny thing is that this shit TC's almost (instantly) from 0 frames.
Still looking for decent ways to use it ;p

I was thinking that this move was quite underrated before even going into this thread. The fact that it TC's like that makes it icing on the cake. XD

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

mitsu, seig, voldo(wtf), and lizzy

im lost in these characters...voldo interrupted everything i did or just evaded it altogether..

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

wow im surprised that this hasnt been sticky'd and updated more...

 

[Ring]

Ivy Free Punishment Thread

I will update it soon, I dont have teh time to do that at the moment. Sorry.