Nationals: What Went Right/Wrong

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Just got back from my last-minute Nats trip. Frustrations aside (and even though I appear to have contracted the plague that was going around), it was both a fun and exhausting weekend. Nevertheless, I feel that there's a lot of room for improvement in how the event was handled, etcetera, and I think, given that Nats was organized from the ground-up by the community, it might be useful to have an open discussion on the subject in order that things may continually improve.

First, what went right:
1. Lots of incredibly talented players showed up and played their hearts out. It was an absolute blast to watch. As much as I loathe and despise every last one of you bastards, you guys make it worthwhile.

2. The venue itself was spacious, well-staffed, and wasn't 9000 degrees. Moreover, we had plenty of CRT televisions for lag-free gaming, which is outstanding.

On the surface, then, this should have been great, but I actually left with something of a bad taste in my mouth for a couple of reasons.

First, with the two events being only one week apart, it's incredibly difficult not to judge Nats in opposition to the well-oiled gaming juggernaut that is Evo. While of course Evo is much larger in scale, not to mention better-funded and far more venerable, we nevertheless should endeavor to emulate their model as much as possible because, frankly, it's the gold standard in tournaments, bar none.

To that end, I think we should look long and hard at two separate though related concepts: professionalism and focus.

1. Professionalism: Evo started on time and plowed through brackets. There were slight delays on the finals day, but when it mattered most (that is to say, churning through large brackets of players), they delivered. Nationals started 3 or 4 hours late, and some of the seeding decisions seemed quite strange. While the latter may be forgivable because of how many strong, unseeded foreign players were allowed to enter, the former is just fucking brutal.

2. Focus: Let's be honest--SC4 Nationals was not the featured event at the NVGA SuperCon. Actually, as far as I could tell, the featured event was the Otaku Pervert Tea Room, since people were yelling about it on the PA system approximately every 15 seconds. Honestly, though, the crazy lights, the incredibly loud techno music, the constant screaming over the PA system for both tournament-related and non-tournament-related purposes WHILE people played matches is a distraction. For those of you who know me well, you know I have a horse in this race. I can't play anywhere near my best if I can't hear the game. If I had known that the TVs might as well have been on mute, I wouldn't have even entered a regional, let alone gone to Nats, because it wouldn't be fun. I'm probably not the only person in that boat, either.

But let's assume for a moment that I am uniquely screwed by this. It's still just plain disrespectful to the players themselves, and to everyone who organized regional tournaments, contributed, hyped this up, and so on. We came to compete. The tournament should have been the focus, not the myriad other things taking place. This got better toward the finals, when staff actually killed the music and lowered the volume on other TVs so that the focus could be on the matches being played on stage, but that sends the wrong message. It basically says that only the top 4 placers count, and the person who is just happy to have qualified and been given the chance to test himself against the best in the world does NOT matter, and he should just fuck off.

So what do other people think? Am I crazy, or were these legitimate issues that should be examined? Or were there other things from which we can learn, so as not to repeat the same mistakes moving forward? Discuss, bitches.
 
Is it true that, in the end, anybody was allowed to enter Nationals? If so, that's unforgivable.

Why were the TVs on mute? Pathetic.

And, why didn't the live stream at least display who was playing who? I don't demand commentary, but it got confusing without any text to tell me who was playing.
 
I would definitely have to agree with Brian on this one. Having loud music, dancers on stage, and shit not starting on time is absolutely unacceptable. It also sounded like some people got screwed on the prize money. Once again, I don't know if that was true or not, just something that I heard.

I understand why he let people sign up and compete for nationals, but at the same time I really don't think that's a good idea. It really defeats the purpose of having regionals for people to fight and able to compete in the first place.

Having the tourneys not being the main focus was not cool. Also having people pay 20.00 just to watch was not cool either.

Overall, I had a lot of fun. I was doing my best to commentate, and it was my first time. I hope that I didn't do too bad.

I will type more about this later.
 
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TVs weren't on mute--but they might as well have been once the DJ booth got up and going. They addressed sound issues at the end, but like I said, I feel that in the future we should place more of a premium on competitive integrity.

Also, even though I did the full-disclosure thing and bitched about my circumstances, I'm probably taking a break from tourney play anyway, so please don't interpret my concerns as spiteful. I'm deeply invested in the ground-up organizational model, I think it will be the salvation of our community/communities, and so in the wake of any big event I believe it's best to take stock of what was good and bad.
 
I remember leading up to this, that there were some concerns that this was about NVGA first, and SC community second, did anyone that went to Nats get this impression at the event? From the sound of things, there were a lot of other events going on at the same time, unrelated to competition.
 
It was Nats, at the SuperCon, basically. That's their thing now, the SuperCon. So there was all this other stuff for the SuperCon and Nats was just one of them. I would say still let NVGA hold the event next year, just not at the supercon, but at a dedicated location for fighting game competition.

I was a little dumbfounded with the late signups to let people in too. But I wasn't there, I didn't run it, so that's my little 2 cents.
 
Don't think bright, colorful flashing lights makes for a great tourney venue. Speakers were far too loud and it was sometimes hard to hear them call out matches (Maybe this was just me). The gogo dancers was annoying. Most of the other stuff was confined to other parts of the Tivoli. I think the anime peeps might have liked them though...so have them entertain them instead.

About those pot bounses with stipulations, only mentioned on the Supercon site. Nowhere else. Would have loved if this had been mentioned more. It says there was over 3000 in prize money between the two tourneys so why Thuggish only got 1000 supposedly is...oh well.

Good luck trying to help out. If you aren't staff, it isn't happening. I honestly tried to start the other SC4 tourney while Nationals seemed to drag but nah. DFG seemed to be running it himself, so it would've really helped if some of us could have been able to help out and streamline things.

About the late signups, it was supposed to be that if the qualifier didn't fill out the rest of the spots, THEN you could pay to be randomly selected. There were plenty of people there on Friday night so we could have run the qualifier. I know the French got there a bit late but theoretically, we should've been able to get them out there in time to run it. I probably could have tried that...>>

I mean...were there enough signups for the qualifier? Would it have been bad if we had byes for Nats?
 
Yes, you were able to pay 20 bucks to get into Nats. There was no qualifier held on Friday night.
Earth to everybody, LOOK at how ridiculous this is! Why aren't we screaming in unison? I should be given a free blowjob or something for my troubles of qualifying. WTF.
 
Earth to everybody, LOOK at how ridiculous this is! Why aren't we screaming in unison? I should be given a free blowjob or something for my troubles of qualifying. WTF.

This idea also makes Rigel angry. Nats doesn't need extras. Also makes all placing at qualifiers besides 1st place pointless.
 
lol nice sig Rigel. But yeah I've got a feeling this practice of letting people just show up and pay their way into Nats will be a major sticking point for a lot of people. Best to give the NVGA reps a chance to respond before people start getting too worked up, I guess.

You could also make the point that Nats was a tourney to crown a NATIONAL champion, and thus not an international competition. But the extra competition was welcome in the form of some very strong French and Korean players, I'm sure. Although it would have been better if they had qualified somehow, I'd think.
 
The best you can do is make suggestions for next year.

DFG pulls a lot of strings to make things happen for his community, and I'm sure did a million things like getting sponsors, venue, etc to make this all happen. This was their 2nd SuperCon. The first one had a lot of issues too, so it's a work in progress. I think Hates is on point, he wants this to succeed, he knows it's a community effort and wants to see more of it, more or less is what I got from him.

I think just some better planning. If you know the SC4 crowd is coming, set it up to run the way it should be run. If there's lots of noise and lights and stuff, then maybe find another area to hold the tourney, or find another area for all the other stuff. I don't know the logistics of it all, if they HAD TO put stuff where it was or what.

But I'm just saying offer some good feedback, be it what you liked or didn't like, and understand that it's a tremendous undertaking to pull off something like this. I think DFG is cool enough to take your input and work on making these things get better and better. NVGA is for players, by players and they can take constructive criticism.
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lol nice sig Rigel. But yeah I've got a feeling this practice of letting people just show up and pay their way into Nats will be a major sticking point for a lot of people. Best to give the NVGA reps a chance to respond before people start getting too worked up, I guess.

You could also make the point that Nats was a tourney to crown a NATIONAL champion, and thus not an international competition. But the extra competition was welcome in the form of some very strong French and Korean players, I'm sure. Although it would have been better if they had qualified somehow, I'd think.

I thought about that too. It's Nationals, for North/Central America, yet we had international players in there. Not that I'd send them packing, but put them in what was supposed to be, the follow up tourney. If you only got 24 for Nats, then so be it.

Also, is Evo historically right around this time? Or has it been in June, or August? This way you schedule it so it won't be around the time Evo is usually held, even if they don't set their date before us. For some people, they had to make a choice, Evo or Nats and they chose Evo.
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And bring a major back to Albuquerque!!! We used to get people from all over down here, and that hasn't happened in years. Y'all who've been here know what I'm talking about. But that's off topic, sorry, lol.

DFG, Chingachgook, ICE, and the rest of the NVGA chapter leaders, looking forward to hearing from you guys
 
Lots of people pulled out and weren't able to make nationals, letting people pay their way in.. well I'm neutral.

The thing that burned me the most was that the 2nd tournament got delayed a day due to nationals not starting on time, and DFG had scheduled Hajime and myself to fly out sunday morning at 8am (we both got our tickets through him from regionals). So yeah... we missed the second tournament just because.

[edit] Nationals not being at a hotel was the worst part now that I think about it. We were all forced to try and bum rides off of people in order to get to our hotels, or spend a decent chunk of cash on a taxi. Being able to retreat to my room when I got tired would have been the best thing ever instead of waiting 2+ hours at the venue after the tournament before I could even get food / get to my room. There were some people I was afraid would be stranded there due to this stuff.
 
How many TV's were they using for Nats?

I know when we did our last big one down here, we had 12 sets going and split them into 3 "pools" of 4 tv's each.
 
How many people (locally) were helping out with the ride situation? We (As in Colorado) could have done a better job of organizing this so one person doesn't get the brunt of the work.

I know he wanted to have the equipment for the live feed for the big screen but didn't have it until later. If he can ensure he has all that stuff there before the day starts, that's one less thing to worry about.

Info: If there are stipulations with pot bonuses and all that, realize people need that info not just on the site but everywhere else where the event is mentioned. That way there will be no unfortunate surprises.

Anime stuff: Though not everyone's cup of tea, at least have it somewhere else so the players can play and the other con attendees can enjoy their stuff.

Casual setups: When nats were running, I (and someone else) realized that there were no casual setups so people could warmup before their match or something. There was a casual room but the tv's lagged like hell and made it impossible to practice. Maybe allow some space for a few casual setups near where the rest of the tourney is being ran?

I know people had issues about the money and wondering just where it was all going to (including why the pot wasn't bigger) so...spreadsheet or something? Something to give people assurances that the money is being spent properly. Imagine how annoyed people are when they hear about those pet projects senators support, now imagine how ticked off they'd be if they didn't know.

Start tournies on time. Don't have to be a total nazi but don't be a pushover either. This one seems to be more of a discipline thing...

Ask the players for their input since it is their tourney after all.

EDIT: 5 regular TV's and then the one big screen.
 
I'll just make this short. Next year, I think nationals should turn into an international tournament. It's already international with regionals in Canada, Mexico, and DR and with the people who were let in to compete into this one. Just open it up to anyone that can make it and do away with regional tournaments, especially since there will always be no shows, and let's have a ballin ass time playing Soul Calibur.

I would have loved to come out, but I'm not going to travel to a tourney I'm already excluded from or travel to other regional to qualify in when I can just show up at the last minute. And if Evo schedules themselves in the same timeframe, then I would choose Evo like alot of people would.
 
Since I was purely an observer due to the 2nd tournament being canned, (which didn't seem too realistic to me when I signed up anyway, but I was hoping) some of the background stuff seemed unavoidable just due to how the sponsors fell into place and SOP for the way the student union is typically run (like the only food in Tiviloli itself being the candy guy...)

Overheard one of the "go-go dancers" saying, "WTF was I up there? First I'm asked to play some CD's, then..." I hope that anime club was a huge sponsor. They were promoted insanely hard, and it really had nothing to do with the tournament. A guy bellowing "Hey, you're gaming losers anyway! This is the only way you'll ever talk to a cute girl!" doesn't really enhance the atmosphere. (Especially how careworn his offerings tended to be cute girlwise)

The lighting etc was cool in theory, but in practice that shifting back light plus the CRT's, plus the darkness and noise = migraine city for me. I ended up having to duck out at 9:30 or so just 'cause that was all I could stand.

IMO, it needs to be scaled back a bit. It's a grand vision, but less is usually more.

The tournament brackets shouldn't be a moving target right up til 5 mins from the tourney's start. Being flexible's good, but too much vacillation just means nothing gets done. (I probably would've killed someone if I'd driven down on Fri, found no tourney, then came back the next day only to find no tourney yet again.) Once a decision's made, make sure it sticks, and plan for that. How the pot's disbursed, who qualifies where/when when the tournament starts, what day... That's all stuff that needs to happen, and stuff that needs to be hammered down weeks/months in advance. Not the day of the event.
 
Well, unfortunately I had to ditch out on Nationals because I had to escort one of the Koreans to the hospital, but here are my reflections on the whole event:

TV's: Very nice to have a bunch of CRTs.

DJ: Cool... when you're NOT playing. Fucking annoying when you are. Especially for me, because I really need to hear that "START" at the beginning of the match and I couldn't hear shit.

30 stations: Sounds cool, but not so cool when 5 of them are some fucking pokemon tetris game. I understand SF4 and BB were going on too... but do we really need a TV dedicated to KOF when there are tourneys going on? Take that shit to the casual room.

Campus event: I guess you take what you can get, but not being able to leave the venue before 8pm because if you DO leave they'll charge you $20 for parking is bullshit. Next time I vote for a hotel.

P.S. Fuck who ever forgot to turn off their pad during my match with Suirad.
 
When Nats was handed over from me, to NVGA. There was an agreement that the prize money was to be a guaranteed $4k (at least, DFG said the sponsors would bring in more), that SC4 nats would be the PRIMARY focus of Saturday (so shit started on time and there was no distractions), the tourney would be open to NATS QUALIFIERS ONLY (NO EXCEPTIONS) and that they'd have reliable staff to run the event smoothly.

Are you telling me NONE of this happened? Well, this understandably makes me perturbed, BUT, I will wait for Greg (DFG) to come in and defend himself and what went down, before I pass judgement.

But really, if Nationals couldn't be handled professionally and legitimately, then we need to figure out better ways to have this done.

I eagerly await both sides of the story.

cha cha
 
Personally, I haven't been happy with the way Nationals was set up; but I was giving DancingFighterG the benefit of the doubt... until I heard that he opened up the tournament to ANYBODY (not just national qualifiers). Thats the point when he crossed the line. Lots of people travelled FAR, to many tournaments, desperately trying to qualify for nats, and some of them still couldn't get in.

From the start of when DFG took over, I could already tell that things weren't going right...
  • DFG's need to beaurocrasize everything. We could be having a great convo over email, and DFG will show up and say "this is a great, lets put this conversation on hold and have a conference call on Thursday!" WHY!? Things were going just fine without the conference call, and all he seemed to do was bog things down.
  • Arbitrary decision on banning and unbanning. Yes, the nationals commitee did talk about some things, but there are other rules that just seemed to be an arbitrary decision from DFG.
  • 6 months to run regional events. Regionals should not be across a 6 month span! They should be in 2 months, in a gridiron style of two regionals a weekend till its all over.
  • Nationals in the same month as EVO. Seriously, you know long in advance what months EVO normally takes place in! Schedule around it!
  • Nationals playing second fiddle to the NVGA Supercon. We know its true.
  • Nationals was supposed to be on a FRIDAY... until the ENTIRE community complained about it!
  • Questionable accounting... How much was the pot exactly? Thugish only got $1000? What?!
  • Winner take all? Distributed pot? No one really knew what was going on with the pot.
  • Plane tickets... Leaving Friday night to go to NVGA? Leaving Sunday morning to go home? A LOT of people have complained that they got unreasonable options when it came to their plane tickets.
  • Opening Nationals up to ANYBODY. So only 20 people showed up for Nats... GOOD FOR THEM! They qualified! Opening Nats up to anybody turned this supposed HUGE event into just another average monthly. Not to mention fucking over pretty much anybody who had to work to qualify. Hell, Something-Unique travelled to Chicago to qualify. NVGA should refund his plane ticket to Chicago. This north american tournament could have been won by a korean, who didn't qualify at any event.
 
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