Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Ardenwolf

[09] Warrior
But Talim and Amy don't look like 20 year olds, and they don't have adult physiques, especially when compared to the females in the game that are considered adults.

Honestly, look at Tira. If Tira is supposed to be around 17-20 years old, then Talim and Amy clearly look like young teenagers.
Even IF we accept your premise that they are teenager's. Scientifically and biologically it is considered completely natural and normal to be physically attracted to the opposite gender once they start developing sexually.

This attraction is not, and I repeat is NOT pedophilia.

Now this being said. Being attracted to people who've started demonstrating sexually appealing features and acting on them are two different things.

A person can both recognize the maturing sexual appeal of a young lady AND recognize that they are underage and off limits due to still needing time to mature and acquire the experience to fully understand consiquences and be on an even playing field.

Now there are some who are attracted to and desire to prey upon that naive vulnerability and that is wrong. You will get no argument from me there. But someone simply being attracted to a females that demonstrate child bearing ready traits is normal and natural even if in the earier stages of such.

We are not discussing prepubescent children here.

Is the obsessive attraction some have kind of creepy? Yes due to the predatory aspect I mentioned. Is just the attraction itself, however? No it is not.
 
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Heniek

[12] Conqueror
I understand that you and some others see their physiques as "old enough", I certainly don't, they look like babies to me -- but regardless, their ages are displayed in the series and they're both supposed to be around 13-14. And in real life if a 13 year old looks closer to 17, they're still 13... so you probably don't want to lust too hard.
They may appear to you as "babies" because of facial features and because of comparison to other female characters. All characters in this game are highly stylised as well and as I said - age of a fictional character has nothing to do because they aren't real and they have no psychology of their own. It's physicality that matters here. But I don't want to push this topic too hard - I am only pointing out why some people may be physically attracted to said character.
 

RaphMcSorel

[06] Combatant
Oh god... I was hoping this discussion would just go away. Can we please just talk about things actually related to the game, instead of having THIS pointless, tired debate? It happens all over the internet, within every fandom, and I'm really sick of it.
 
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RaphMcSorel

[06] Combatant
So.. since the 26th wasn't deconfirmed.. can we hopeful for that date?
At this point, it looks really likely. They deconfirmed a prior leak when it turned out to be phony, but have said absolutely nothing about this one, other than making a vague post about Amy coming 'soon' after the leak happened.

Plus, the last DLC release date was announced at a big Soul Calibur event, and then the DLC was released shortly after it. Confirming the date on the 21st and then releasing her on the 26th would follow this trend.
 

David Blain

[05] Battler
You always like to say bad things about SCVI in all your posts.
Well, if you do not like my opinion - let's talk about the opinions of others?
On this site, a lot of people asked for Robin Hood or Highlander as guest chars - as well match the timeline and mood of the game.
Instead, in the first season we got 4 waifu.
do you think this is normal?
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Well, if you do not like my opinion - let's talk about the opinions of others?
On this site, a lot of people asked for Robin Hood or Highlander as guest chars - as well match the timeline and mood of the game.
Instead, in the first season we got 4 waifu.
do you think this is normal?
It was a business decision. No other guest would have sold nearly as well as 2B, all things considered. As for the season pass being "4 waifu", the only other options were Rock, Li Long, Yun-seong, Setsuka, Aeon, Hwang, Algol, Hilde, and Dampierre. And among those, the other two most popular choices, Setsuka and Hilde, are also "waifu". So.... yeah. Business is business.
 

Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
On this site, a lot of people asked for Robin Hood or Highlander as guest chars - as well match the timeline and mood of the game.
LOL, what? Now I'm not saying that you never saw a person suggest those two characters at some point, but "a lot" of people have been advocating for the Highlander? To the extent of their being better picks than Tira, Cassie, or Amy? I'm sorry, did I fall into a Soul Calibur-style time portal back to the mid-90's this morning, and not notice until now. Man, I say this even as someone who actually has two Highlander-based creations in their personally-created library right now: there's no way Duncan Macleod and friggin' Robin Hood are at the top of the list of most marketable potential Soul Calibur characters.

Instead, in the first season we got 4 waifu.
So, a female character=automatic "waifu", huh? And anyone eager to see their return wants that character present in the game because they "want their waifu"? Shove off.

do you think this is normal?
Yeah dude, I do think it's normal for a developer of a fighting game series to prioritize its own roster of returning characters and super marketable guest characters over either a 14th century English folk hero whose main claim to cultural relevance right now is that kids still dress up as him for halloween or the main protagonist of a cult (and now long defunct) tv/movie franchise that the average consumer of Soul Calibur has probably never heard of. I think that's actually about one of the most predictable, "normal" things I can imagine. What I find deeply abnormal is...eh, you know what, it's not worth it.
 
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Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
Or Amy was an artificial human, hence why she doesn't remember having parents.
And her initial lack of emotional affect--this has occurred to me as a possible interpretation of Azwel's words as well. I mean, it would all be a little forced, if you ask me, if it turns out that way, but as options go, I think it would be less of a tonal clash than a plot device of a cloned being--if it were merely a choice between those two options.
 

TresDias

[06] Combatant
Egh, both options sound awful to me. If she's an artificially produced human, then that will feel so forced given her chance(?) meeting with/saving of Raphael -- and how significant that is to both their backstories.

And if Viola is a clone of her, of course, then we get the odd clash in tone.

So yeah, either way, me no likey. Amy is my favorite SC character, so I really want to like what happens in her Soul Chronicle.
 

Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
Egh, both options sound awful to me. If she's an artificially produced human, then that will feel so forced given her chance(?) meeting with/saving of Raphael -- and how significant that is to both their backstories.

And if Viola is a clone of her, of course, then we get the odd clash in tone.

So yeah, either way, me no likey. Amy is my favorite SC character, so I really want to like what happens in her Soul Chronicle.
Agreement all around from me. I hate it when new characters/events are shoe-horned into a story that already stood perfectly well on its own--at least when this alteration is not done in a particularly clever and inspired way. If Amy was always a golem 2.0 or some other such nonsense, then, as you say, there was either a substantial amount of incredibly coincidental happenstance in her meeting Raphael as she did, or else the whole thing was orchestrated by Azwel. Both possibilities are kind of ham-fisted approaches to leveraging Azwel into that story where he wasn't really needed, just to justify a later pay off. But the Amy Xerox approach would be, if anything, even more of an awkward (/"isn't that convenient"/lazy writing) approach to getting both characters in.

Honestly, I'd just as soon they simply had Amy and Viola appear in the same games as the same character pre- and post-amnesia, even if that means they could only manage this in some games. I mean look, suppose they do rush Amy's Soul Chronicle through to the point where she gets turned into Viola (whether they retcon the exact point in time when that happens or not); that means SCVI could easily feature both characters in that instance, and even the most obsessive of "cannon" nerds will be satisfied with that. This means you can also have both in the next game, insofar as you can always have Viola regain her memories and become Amy again (I think it would be nice, afterall, if they finally late Amy grow up--god knows it would shut down a lot of drama here!).

So that's two games without where you can satisfy all continuity concerns and still have both characters/movesets present. And that's assuming the next game even has as much emphasis on a firm continuity as this one does; for all we know, they could go back to skimpy story with the next entry and little concern for whether every member of the roster is super well explained. But even if do get locked into Okubo's strict continuity approach, that carries us through the next two games. And realistically, the next game is a minimum of five years off (yeah, I know some of you want to believe half that, but you're living in a dream world, my friends!) and more than twice that for a hypothetical SCVIII. So that's a long time before they have to worry about finding new ways to justify both characters being in the same game, even if they just go with the traditional Viola=Amnesiac Amy assumption, rather than some convoluted "Amy was always an automaton" or "Amy gets carbon copied" alternatives. As to the screen cap involving Azwel's comments, honestly all of that could mean just about anything at this juncture. We ought to at least wait for the official translation as the best indication of how literal or metaphorical the devs intend that dialogue to be.
 

Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
I don’t see the big deal about making Viola a clone of Amy. And besides as said SCVII should be sooner than SCVI was because there’s no internal drama this time and the series has its groove again. I suspect SCVII is going to do more original stuff given Zasalamel’s secret ending confirming the reboot so they aren’t strictly bound by the continuity.
 

Rex Dart

[11] Champion
Egh, both options sound awful to me. If she's an artificially produced human, then that will feel so forced given her chance(?) meeting with/saving of Raphael -- and how significant that is to both their backstories.

And if Viola is a clone of her, of course, then we get the odd clash in tone.

So yeah, either way, me no likey. Amy is my favorite SC character, so I really want to like what happens in her Soul Chronicle.
Or maybe Azwel is simply using a metaphor to describe Amy's past. You know, how she's never had any agency? How some dude just picked her out of her old life, put her in his mansion and dressed her up in pretty clothes? How she's almost entirely without emotion?

Calling Amy a doll is the PERFECT metaphor for her, and mocking her in this way is very on-brand for Azwel.

This is the simplest explanation and it's hilarious that so many people saw this line and went to "OMG future clone."
 

SpellcraftQuill

[14] Master
Since the Kunpataeku Shrine seems like a base of operations of sorts for Azwel and they’re the ones who created Automatons like Ashlotte... you also have to wonder if Viola is a perfect version of them since she looks more human than the ones like Ashlotte.
 

Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
Or maybe Azwel is simply using a metaphor to describe Amy's past. You know, how she's never had any agency? How some dude just picked her out of her old life, put her in his mansion and dressed her up in pretty clothes? How she's almost entirely without emotion?

Calling Amy a doll is the PERFECT metaphor for her, and mocking her in this way is very on-brand for Azwel.

This is the simplest explanation and it's hilarious that so many people saw this line and went to "OMG future clone."
Hey, it’s easy to go that route if they want to reintroduce Viola in the NT.
 

TresDias

[06] Combatant
Honestly, I'd just as soon they simply had Amy and Viola appear in the same games as the same character pre- and post-amnesia, even if that means they could only manage this in some games. I mean look, suppose they do rush Amy's Soul Chronicle through to the point where she gets turned into Viola (whether they retcon the exact point in time when that happens or not); that means SCVI could easily feature both characters in that instance, and even the most obsessive of "cannon" nerds will be satisfied with that.
Am obsessive canon nerd. Can confirm.

Rusted said:
(I think it would be nice, afterall, if they finally late Amy grow up--god knows it would shut down a lot of drama here!).
It's cute that you think so!
Or maybe Azwel is simply using a metaphor to describe Amy's past. You know, how she's never had any agency? How some dude just picked her out of her old life, put her in his mansion and dressed her up in pretty clothes? How she's almost entirely without emotion?

Calling Amy a doll is the PERFECT metaphor for her, and mocking her in this way is very on-brand for Azwel.

This is the simplest explanation and it's hilarious that so many people saw this line and went to "OMG future clone."
I agree that's all it's likely to be. I'm equally at a loss as to why so many folks have gone with the clone or automaton theories.