Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

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And what makes you think I was trying to answer Frayhua’s question? What does me posting a glaring whiff issue with Setsuka from another’s person’s tweet have anything to do with Frayhua of all things?

@DanteSC3 I just want the EZ Normals that make Setsuka's JF pointess to be removed. I don't want Setsuka to have whiffing issues or be terrible. Just because I hate the EZ OP Normals, Setsuka got for no reason doesn't mean I hate Setsuka. I never hated Setsuka. It's just Project Soul giving her EZ OP Normals of JFs was a huge mistake.
 
And what makes you think I was trying to answer Frayhua’s question? What does me posting a glaring whiff issue with Setsuka from another’s person’s tweet have anything to do with Frayhua of all things?
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.
 
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.

Non Setsuka mains loved that Setsuka was getting EZ OP Normals when she was released.

 
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.
Well okay then. Really though, I just wanted to share the whiff issue (which may have unintentionally supported @weshookhands statement of Setsuka’s linearity problem). I couldn’t even care less about Frayhua’s whining.

If anything, I don’t find Setsuka to be that big of a deal. Especially when other characters like Zasalamel and even Yoshimitsu are offering more than their fair share.
 
Lots of Mitsurugi's moves whiffed Setsuka like MST A+B, 66A+B when Setsuka is in WoH at Close Range, most of his Mid Horizontals whiff her.
I think you're refering to her hurtbox rather than her hitbox, then.

I mained Setsuka after I dropped SCIII X, because she was so super easy & super strong. I enjoyed Setsuka's style & difficulty. Then when she was replaced in SCV by A. Pat, I played Leixia. I played X in SCVI for Season 1 & most of Season 2. I wanted Setsuka back more than anyone. I tried to confirm every rumor/datamine for 8 & 1/2 years in hopes for her to return. Then Setsuka returned last month, but then I saw that she had EZ OP Normals for no reason. I was hoping the latest patch removed the EZ Normals, but Project Soul didn't do anything & Setsuka continues to be insanely OP.
I was misquoted here. Whatever.
 
@Frayhua

A partial solution is to have a parasol option that does the things you want it to. I mean I hate Reversal Edge and refuse to use it in my gameplan so I understand the annoyance to a degree, but it is what it is now which is unfortunate for those that wanted all her strict timing to be implemented. Also I don't consider Setsuka to be OP at all and I've had long sessions fighting against Setsuka players with phenomenal execution skills and still defeated them without thinking she's busted. If you really want to talk about someone being OP, look at Amy with her infinite auto Resist Impacts.
 
@Frayhua

I don't consider Setsuka to be OP at all and I've had long sessions fighting against Setsuka players with phenomenal execution skills and still defeated them without thinking she's busted.

I only say Setsuka is OP because of EZ Mode Normals. I want the EZ Normals gone. It's sad Project Soul will never remove her EZ OP Normals that make her JFs pointless. Since that not happening, I've dropped Setsuka.
 
I only say Setsuka is OP because of EZ Mode Normals. I want the EZ Normals gone.

For who though? If for you, then ask for a weapon option that does this. If you've dropped her because other people are using the EZ Normals, then that's being bitter. I personally would like a parasol option to see if I would find her more satisfying to play that would also give me the muscle memory if I ever get to play the previous games again.
 
I liked Setsuka when she didn’t have EZ normals.
i liked Cassandra when she didn’t lighting shenanigans
I liked Amy when she didn’t have roses

so what you saying is you liked the characters before they were cool. In other words let me see your Starbucks cup.

This is the best Setsuka moveset we have ever had.

you choosing to drop her because casuals can actually use her now is like drinking poison hoping the person you’re mad at dies. If you really enjoyed using her then you should be happy just my 2cents
 
Ideally, I would've liked Setcyka's easier inputs to have different properties to encourage players to put in more effort. But she isn't suddenly overpowered just because she has easier versions. Those moves, including the just frame versions, have weaknesses. If they were all safe on block and if 1AAA wasn't minus on hit, then it might be understandable, but this isn't the case. She is still satisfying to play and the skill ceiling for this character remains high.

Who cares if a bunch of players only ever do her easy inputs. These 'frauds' (half joking) will sacrifice damage and meter while you get to look stylish as fuck with increased damage and meter. That just makes it extra satisfying during mirror matches. This is the mindset you need to have, Frayhua, instead of dropping Setcyka because anyone can do some of her basic combos. Now start playing her again and show people what she is capable of.
 
I liked Cassandra when she didn’t Lightning shenanigans
Of the three things you pointed out, though, this one is actually clashing with the reason the character was charming to begin with, though. Amy and roses go hand in hand for her style and fashion, and Setsuka has her cherry blossom parasol flair as she always has, but Cassandra having Divine Force is a slap in the face to everyone who enjoyed Cassandra for being a brutal brawler relying on her own strength. I hate it and I hope it goes away for SoulCalibur VII. Sophitia should use the godly powers, not Cassandra.
 
For who though? If for you, then ask for a weapon option that does this. If you've dropped her because other people are using the EZ Normals, then that's being bitter.

I liked Setsuka when she didn’t have EZ normals.

so what you saying is you liked the characters before they were cool. In other words let me see your Starbucks cup.

This is the best Setsuka moveset we have ever had.

you choosing to drop her because casuals can actually use her now is like drinking poison hoping the person you’re mad at dies. If you really enjoyed using her then you should be happy just my 2cents

Ideally, I would've liked Setcyka's easier inputs to have different properties to encourage players to put in more effort. But she isn't suddenly overpowered just because she has easier versions. Those moves, including the just frame versions, have weaknesses. If they were all safe on block and if 1AAA wasn't minus on hit, then it might be understandable, but this isn't the case. She is still satisfying to play and the skill ceiling for this character remains high.

Who cares if a bunch of players only ever do her easy inputs. These 'frauds' (half joking) will sacrifice damage and meter while you get to look stylish as fuck with increased damage and meter. That just makes it extra satisfying during mirror matches. This is the mindset you need to have, Frayhua, instead of dropping Setcyka because anyone can do some of her basic combos. Now start playing her again and show people what she is capable of.

Thanks for the support. Now I will not be dropping Setsuka now because of EZ Mode Cheese. I've always loved her for being difficult. I just said Setsuka was OP because I hated the EZ Mode Cheese she got.
 
you choosing to drop her because casuals can actually use her now is like drinking poison hoping the person you’re mad at dies. If you really enjoyed using her then you should be happy just my 2cents
That’s pretty much the moral of the story here. Just play the characters you enjoy and have the most fun with and stick to them. The learning curve shouldn’t really matter to anyone if you enjoy playing the character for what they offer. Yoshimitsu veterans didn’t drop their character because of he’s less execution heavy than before. Hell, Taki and Raphael veterans don’t drop their characters because of the increase in their characters execution either. They all play them because it’s Yoshi/Taki/Raph. Kinda like how I play Voldo because he’s still feels like Voldo.
 
Hell, Taki and Raphael veterans don’t drop their characters because of the increase in their characters execution either.
Taki I think in SC2 had some tight execution barriers if you wanted to use PORC / EXC. i think in SC3 the PO transitions became a direction instead of a 214 command

Raph from SC2-5 was always a beginner friendly character ("forward triangle triangle triangle lol" + low skill floor) and I don't know why the higher ups decided to change that, but I'm ever grateful for it. They've captured the essence of a technical fencer specialist a lot more in SC6 compared to the older games

His execution requirements exist, but there are workarounds for ~80% of the damage which would help encourage newcomers who dont' feel consistent doing the inputs for his optimal combo paths.
 
 
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