Soulcalibur VI DLC Discussion Thread

SSfox

[14] Master
They should start putting Lizarman or Aeon before thinking of Algol, actually they should think of much more characters before thinking Algol.

It would be really retard (sorry but that's my thoughts) to put Algol over Hwang or Yun.

I'd rather Patroklos over Algol, just to name this one. I'd rather many things before Algol actually lmao

That being said i don't think Algol is too bad, not big fan of his game style, but his design was really cool, especially because he remind me of Hades in First God Of War.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
I would say Li Long, Rock, Hwang, Aeon, Yun-seong, and Setsuka should all have prevalence over Algol, at least with regards to SoulCalibur VI.

SoulCalibur VII will thrust history forward to at least 1591, which is where Algol rises (or at least, where he rose originally, assuming Zasalamel or Cassandra don't cause history to change), and so having him come out then makes a lot more sense. Dampierre is more a toss-up, as his placement is just... random, and they haven't truly established his role as anything above a joke character, since he got nothing in SoulCalibur V, all we really have to go by is his questionably-canon appearance in Broken Destiny, and, well... yeah. Maybe Unbreakable Soul too, but no one played that, so that's a mystery.

But all that aside, Hwang and Aeon really should have been in the base game to begin with, and there are more than enough clues to suggest that was the original plan.
 

LisaK

[14] Master
Even then poor Pattycakes is still ranked near the bottom. R.I.P.
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DanteSC3

[14] Master
There is no new timeline.
That's why I italicized it. I don't believe in it, but for those who do, I was throwing them a bone. Plus, tell the wiki there's no timeline. That's likely the main source of misinformation that folks take as fact without questioning it so much.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
SC6 is indeed a new timeline and a time paradox.

SC1-5 is the Original timeline.

And this is a new one as explained by OG Cassandra and Zasalamel, which is the only character who knows and is the same in the paradox.
Unless, of course, we are in the closed loop time model, where everything is predetermined by fate, and there is no changing the past, present, or future, and we simply did not know about things that had happened in the previous games. The best example of this is the Aval Organization. They operate behind the scenes in secret to control the narrative of the Soul swords and the malfested. They could have always existed, but we are just now learning of them. They don’t break continuity as they’ve been written into SoulCalibur VI.

Cassandra’s goal was always to save Sophitia, but we never got an expressed “why”. Now we know, that she knows what will happen if she doesn’t try, and she can’t well just do nothing. But she may be doomed to fail, due to the determination of fate. Zasalamel, too, though he has a message from the future and has changed his goals from ending his life to cultivating humanity, his plan still requires the unification of the two swords, at which point, calamity is certain, much like what happened in SoulCalibur III originally. He is the one who has natural time lord powers, after all, so him having his own means of manipulating it without the Astral Chaos makes sense.

After all, as the mantra has been, since the very beginning:

Transcending history, and the world, a tale of souls and swords, ETERNALLY RETOLD.
 

sytus

[14] Master
Unless, of course, we are in the closed loop time model, where everything is predetermined by fate, and there is no changing the past, present, or future, and we simply did not know about things that had happened in the previous games.

Like Legacy of Kain. Possible but then I think why would Azwel team up with his past self if not to craft time to how he sees fit. I dunno it's still early days, it's clear just by Amy's ending that Project Soul has something bigger planned later down the line.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Like Legacy of Kain. Possible but then I think why would Azwel team up with his past self if not to craft time to how he sees fit. I dunno it's still early days, it's clear just by Amy's ending that Project Soul has something bigger planned later down the line.
Azwel being a time traveler is suspect to me, I don't think he can do it. He is the "Scholar of the Future", not the "Scholar from the Future", as I've seen elsewhere people making this confusion. He is an illusionist, to be sure, and perhaps he can "see" the future with his crystal ball that Viola will inherit, or at least as much as the ball shows, but I don't know if he actually has a way to time travel. If he can, then that gives Zasalamel some competition, and maybe it's a situation where Zasalamel and Azwel are in a constant battle to maintain reality, and that's what causes the Astral Fissures, the chaos of their disturbances, something like that. It's really hard to say, as they've given us a prelude but haven't actually delivered on the "altering history" front, if such a thing is even set to occur, if it is even possible. The thing that might maybe point to Azwel being from the future (Tekkenverse?) would be the modern concepts in his theories and research, but that's a mayyybe, he could just be super ahead of his time, or he used the ball to see those things in the future and is trying to implement them in the past.
 

sytus

[14] Master
Azwel being a time traveler is suspect to me, I don't think he can do it. He is the "Scholar of the Future", not the "Scholar from the Future", as I've seen elsewhere people making this confusion. He is an illusionist, to be sure, and perhaps he can "see" the future with his crystal ball that Viola will inherit, or at least as much as the ball shows, but I don't know if he actually has a way to time travel.

There's two of them so you have a Scholar of the Future and a Scholar from the Future working behind the shadows. We know time travel and the rewriting of time is possible with Patroklos and Cassandra plus with Cassandra we know you can physically interact with yourself. An Azwel from the future would give his past self all the details on how time plays out which would also explain how he knew Amy was eavesdropping. There's also hints throughout SC5 that Edge Master knows more than what he's letting on that leads me to think he's from a time period way before the events of the golden era so I wouldn't be surprised if Edge Master ends up playing some kind of counter balance to Azwel as the other shadowy hand in the background (which is what he does in SC5 with Patroklos), it would explain the prominent roll he has in story mode even though he's not playable.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
The second one is an illusion, is my interpretation, not a literal second Azwel. But anything’s possible, I assume. I see Azwel as a sorcerer, not a time traveler. He could be, but too many time travelers is just... I don’t think it’s a good idea. He probably saw Amy in the crystal ball.

About Edge Master, it’s extremely likely he is an eternal like Zasalamel, and he found the Astral Chaos and used it as a way to see the world because he couldn’t otherwise. And then he found out how to manipulate time with it, assuming he doesn’t have that power himself.
 

Marginal

Chikara Sashimi
There's two of them so you have a Scholar of the Future and a Scholar from the Future working behind the shadows. We know time travel and the rewriting of time is possible with Patroklos and Cassandra plus with Cassandra we know you can physically interact with yourself. An Azwel from the future would give his past self all the details on how time plays out which would also explain how he knew Amy was eavesdropping. There's also hints throughout SC5 that Edge Master knows more than what he's letting on that leads me to think he's from a time period way before the events of the golden era so I wouldn't be surprised if Edge Master ends up playing some kind of counter balance to Azwel as the other shadowy hand in the background (which is what he does in SC5 with Patroklos), it would explain the prominent roll he has in story mode even though he's not playable.
Well, technically, Cassie didn't interact with herself. She interacted with an echo of herself from Astral Chaos. Which is a dimension that does not exist in time's flow.
 

sytus

[14] Master
About Edge Master, it’s extremely likely he is an eternal like Zasalamel, and he found the Astral Chaos and used it as a way to see the world because he couldn’t otherwise. And then he found out how to manipulate time with it, assuming he doesn’t have that power himself.

I think it runs deeper than that, I have a feeling that Zasalamel, Edge Master and Algol are connected to one another as their affinity to the soul swords is deep. I'm not saying they're the same person it's just that I have a gut feeling that they're key individuals from Algol's ancient civilization.