Soulcalibur VI DLC Discussion Thread

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
Rock getting in rather than Algol doesnt piss me off. Its both Yun and Hwang that bothers me. I'd like for PS to make a decision between the two of them, not both. I'm still holding out some hope that "star" is Algol but that might be a long shot. Oh and of course Li Long would also be very annoying.

Not interested in digging up those pointless arguments consisting of "but they can easily change these characters to make them different". Or "Hwang and Yun fight very differently". I dont care. Several duplicated weapons will still be very disappointing.
 

Macaulyn

[12] Conqueror
Rock getting in rather than Algol doesnt piss me off. Its both Yun and Hwang that bothers me. I'd like for PS to make a decision between the two of them, not both. I'm still holding out some hope that "star" is Algol but that might be a long shot. Oh and of course Li Long would also be very annoying.

Not interested in digging up those pointless arguments consisting of "but they can easily change these characters to make them different". Or "Hwang and Yun fight very differently". I dont care. Several duplicated weapons will still be very disappointing.
I fail to see why would that ever be a problem, we had several characters sharing weapons, while having distinct movesets. Hell, Amy just got revealed, Siegfried and Nightmare have the same weapons, yet they don't play like each other.
 

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
I fail to see why would that ever be a problem, we had several characters sharing weapons, while having distinct movesets. Hell, Amy just got revealed, Siegfried and Nightmare have the same weapons, yet they don't play like each other.
Not all of these characters are equal in terms of popularity. I understand that i have to be realistic and accept the fact my character is not popular but he does at least offer a very distinct and unique style. Its one thing when you are talking about ultra popular characters like Sieg or Cass but when we start scraping the bottom of the barrel here with long forgotten, unpopular characters well.... at least Algol only has one of those strikes, not both.
 

Ardenwolf

[09] Warrior
Not all of these characters are equal in terms of popularity. I understand that i have to be realistic and accept the fact my character is not popular but he does at least offer a very distinct and unique style. Its one thing when you are talking about ultra popular characters like Sieg or Cass but when we start scraping the bottom of the barrel here with long forgotten, unpopular characters well.... at least Algol only has one of those strikes, not both.
Algol can't be CaS'd and is thus half a character. Is why a lot of people, myself included are opposed to him.
 

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
Algol can't be CaS'd and is thus half a character. Is why a lot of people, myself included are opposed to him.
No, that is not why a lot of people are opposed to him. They dont like him because of how he is. Its somewhat annoying at most that he isnt CASable. You've been on and on about this as if CAS is the most important aspect of the game. Even to extreme degrees when it isnt nearly as important as you suggest. In any case there was an improvement from 4 to 5 in that regard so saying "he isnt CASable" is premature if we're talking his hypothetical inclusion for this game.
 

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
Algol should be back using just the wave swords. All that bubble blowing stuff was lame . Need more normal weapons and less magic.
They aren't going to completely remove a key aspect to his moveset like that. Maybe they'll do adjustments to the appearance or frequency of it but that is about it.
 

Macaulyn

[12] Conqueror
Yeah he shouldn’t as a base move set. Almost all the characters added with magic have been disliked over those who don’t.
By you, perhaps. You can only speak for yourself, there is little evidence that the majority of the playerbase actually dislikes magic users, in fact, that poll that they made after SC5 (supposedly for SC6's roster), had Viola a mainly magic user, who was added in the least liked game in the series, and having no story, topping Maxi, Hilde, Astaroth, Lizardman and Aeon (even though the last two are the same, even if you put the two together they still are below her), so yeah, people seem to like magic quite a bit, as such, again, speak for yourself.
 

Assassinate

[09] Warrior
By you, perhaps. You can only speak for yourself, there is little evidence that the majority of the playerbase actually dislikes magic users, in fact, that poll that they made after SC5 (supposedly for SC6's roster), had Viola a mainly magic user, who was added in the least liked game in the series, and having no story, topping Maxi, Hilde, Astaroth, Lizardman and Aeon (even though the last two are the same, even if you put the two together they still are below her), so yeah, people seem to like magic quite a bit, as such, again, speak for yourself.
Yeah, I didn't know I was speaking for everyone when giving my opinion. Also, Viola was not anywhere near the top so.... Anyways lets just say you're right and end it there.
 

Macaulyn

[12] Conqueror
Yeah, I didn't know I was speaking for everyone when giving my opinion. Also, Viola was not anywhere near the top so.... Anyways lets just say you're right and end it there.
Don't even try bringing the "my opinion" card. You said that almost all characters with magic have been disliked, you didn't say it was you who disliked them (even though it was), which means you were implying that, at least, a significant number of people aside from you also disliked them, an argument you can't sustain.
 

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
@Rusted Blade I have come to conceded to you that the Yell one will be Li Long. But it is only because I have noticed allot of happenings within the Soul Chronicle and Libra of Soul. Where I once stood that he has nothing to add he in fact does now. But Algol is name of a star. And Lizardman is a reptile. Rock is a Stone. They aren't exact name translations. And Setsuka doesn't literally mean snow; as in snow on the ground. But it's like snow flower so they aren't exact translations. I don;t think they will make Hilde yet any longer because mentions are even laced as mention to the future. Her model would be younger and the way Bamco is moving and having to re-render everything into the Unreal Engine I can see them lazily not wanting to make a young Hilde this game and then a older Hilde in the next one. It's best they save what assests they have that can be converted rather than having to build everything brick by brick again. And before you say most of the cast had too. You have to remember the last two games released were Soul Calibur 5 and Soul Calibur the Lost Swords. Between those two every character besides Hwang, Rock , Setsuka, Yun and Li-Long had updated models. Ironically the DLCs for season two cast. But I'm still going with Algol for Star because it's not Yun's time yet.

Li Long gets into a relationship with that girl from the Fu-Ma clan and eventually comes back to marry her. Toki no longer absorbs gel-o-fury meaning he is still alive. There is a Fu-Ma Clan arc outside of just focusing on Taki now and now he can be more involved in this. He was excluded from Soul Calibur 1-2 but now he can contribute more and have a more defined character and assist....I forget the sect of the Fu-Ma clan that just watches the head of the clan for signs going crazy....them in stopping Toki from getting Soul Edge. I see that the new DLC characters end up getting Soul Chronicles Time map being edited to allow characters to have new spots prior to 1583. But he has much to put into the story now.
Correct me if i'm wrong here but this is all related to the Fu-Ma clan specifically and not even involving a single confrontation with any playable characters. Aside from that, he's got a single lost duel with Cervantes and that is about it. His story will just be run-ins with CAS made assasins and Fu-Ma ninjas.

Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. You'll have to share the screencaps (if you don't mind) if Zasalamel literally says he think Algol has awakened, because I think you've read into or misremembered something wrong, because I have no recollection of that. Now, I'll grant you, I am not super big on the story of this franchise--I tend to find it a little ham-fisted, silly, and bad structured--so I did A LOT of skipping of that canned, uninspired dialogue in Libra. But I did watch most of the interactions with Zasalamel and read his entire chronicles summary, and I just recall nothing of the sort. Also, taking a look at TresDias' very detailed breakdown of the SCVI plot and how much it parallels the original narrative beats of the first iteration of the story (which is to say, virtually identical in most respects), it seems to suggest that Zasalamel details Algol's story in Chronicles and and then ends with noting in the Libra epilogue that Algol is still in the Astral Chaos.

But much more problematic to your theory, I think, is that I believe you may dropping into some wish fulfilment by assuming STAR=Algol. Other than 'YELL', all of the forthcoming character codenames are either a straight translation or a synonym/near synonym for the actual name of a character. Setsuka=SNOW, Rock=STONE, Hwang=YELLOW, Lizardman=REPTILE....and Yun-Seong=STAR. That's a much better fit for the obvious pattern than "he has a few moves with 'star' in the name" or "a completely different fantasy video game series once had a star system named the 'Algol system' in it, twenty fives years ago." In fact, I think the only reason we got 'YELL' was because the last spot goes to Li Long, and they couldn't just call him DRAGON, because then people would lose their heads wondering if the second season pass was going to feature SCI-IV Lizardman and SCV Aeon. Which is not what you want when you just took a chance on an effort to disguise your viral marketing as a leak (and you were lucky enough to discover your fanbase was more gullible about such things than you could have ever dreamed possible)--a situation in which you don't want to send certain messages that fans may be confused by, like the possibility of having versions of Lizzi from opposite ends of the story arc.
So, STAR = Algol is wish fulfillment and you're saying all characters must directly translate their names into the codeword...

but the excuse for Li Long not being DRAGON is just because it conflicts with Aeon? Aeon doesnt directly translate into DRAGON anyway.
 
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ZionOAS

[09] Warrior
The names not directly translating is my point. No one's name but Hwang's directly does it and it's his stage theme music. My main point is that the characters being included are heavy Soul Chronicle inclusions because of how they have directed the remaining characters in Soul Chronicle and Libra of Soul. So I'm not going to repeat writing such a long explanation. I believe I finished the Libra of Souls missions and I just want to point out that you never meet Siegfried/Nightmare but you hear about him killing is dad. This plays into a different hypothesis I have about Siegfried's armor. And if you would like to see the information on Algol just go to your missions log and play Zasalamel's three side missions; History of a Man, The Hero King, Libra of Scales. All these begin foreshadowing Algol and then he makes his appearance through the Conduit.

Has anyone seen the Amy trailer in English yet? Have you ever heard Nightmare saw something so corny as "Have you confessed your sins?" besides when he gave Astraroth and Aeon their coden ames? I don't think that is actually happening, more or less is Amy's thoughts and fear for going after Raphael.
 

ZionOAS

[09] Warrior
Algol should be back using just the wave swords. All that bubble blowing stuff was lame . Need more normal weapons and less magic.
That's a great idea to get those weapons back in the game. I personally think he just shouldn't have Soul Calibur and Soul Edge as his primary hand weapons. Since he's from a civilization we never saw before, we don't know if he went under the knife with those sages to make himself a walking weapon. So he should have one weapon that is just the original Soul Edge and another sword, then the sword combo.