Superman vs Goku (Party Wolf Smells)

Who would win in a fight? Superman? or Goku?

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Blueboyb said:
Interesting read showcasing just how strong Goku really is. Please keep in mind that he is predicting Goku's LOWEST possible power level and his true power level is probably much higher

(Copied directly from my Derpyherps on comicvine, all credits goes to him)

Let's put into perspective how overpowering goku really is, using only the DBZ canon.

Before you read any further, please note that I am using Power levels as my basis. The powerlevels I use are found here: (dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels). All power levels that I take are from the Official Daizenshuu. They represent the Maximum strength output for that character. All Powerlevels were discontinued after the frieza saga, and therefore any power level afterwards is mere speculation. I will be skewing goku here so that he is weaker than he would be, so that I can remain in line with the DBZ canon

Vegeta, during the saiyan saga has a Power level (PL) of 18,000. With it, his galick gun would've blown up earth, had goku not stopped him

When he first turns super saiyan, goku has a PL of 150,000,000. Assuming that all vegeta could've destroyed is the one planet, goku's power would allow him to destroy a being with power equal to 8,333.34 planets. Without progressing goku's power level any further, since there are no canon official power levels after that, we'll simply use that value and apply transformations.

SSJ1 = 150,000,000

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 300,000,000

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 1,200,000,000

((SSJ4 is uncanon, and will not be used.))

As a ssj3 without progressing goku's base power any further since the frieza saga, goku can destroy the equivilant of 66,666.67 planets

Along with this,vegeta took goku's 32,000 PL Kaio-Kenx4 kamehameha + his own 18,000 PL Galick Gun. That totals to a PL of 50,000, giving the combined beams the power to destroy 2.78 planets. From this, one can infer that saiyans can withstand an attack of equal or lesser planet-busting capability of 2.78x your own. Meaning SSJ3 goku without progression can tank an attack that can destroy 185,333.34 planets.

Goku, in dragonball runs the 100m in 8s That yeilds him a speed of 12.5 m/s. Meaning that 1PL = 1.25 m/s (for saiyans). Goku as an SSj3 would have a speed of 1,500,000,000 m/s. 5 times the speed of light (299,792,458). Applying relativity, Goku in SSJ3 would be traveling at 298,970,962. That's more than 99.7% of the speed of light (Thanks to Sunny Sanity from gaiaonline!)

Also in dragonball, a young kid goku (PL 10) is shown picking up a car and throwing it The car seemed similar to the Mini Cooper S Countryman ALL4 (http://mt.kargo.com/entry/view/id/6255/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=bjprizxtkkz). The Cooper weighs 1.6275 tons or 3255lbs. This gives saiyans 325.5lbs/1PL of RAW lift strength, as goku was unable to utilize Ki energy at this point in the series. SSJ3 Goku without progression has a Raw lift strength of 390,600,000,000lbs, or 195,300,000 tons.

Utilizing Ki would augment goku's already immense natural physical attributes.

And to top it all off, all of these values are horrendously lower than the power level post-battle of the gods because no official values for power levels were posted for goku after the frieza saga.

However, we can manually calculate goku's PL to get closer to what it may actually be.

(Quoted from Laurcus on comicvine, edited out parts referring to SSJ4 as it is irrelevant: http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/what-is-ssj4-gokus-power-level-in-gt-740635/)

"SS1 Goku during the Frieza saga was 150 million. When Vegeta left the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Goku stated that he would have had to have gotten 3 times stronger to even stand a chance against Semi-Perfect Cell. It's generally accepted that Goku and Vegeta were about equal pre HTC. So assuming Goku did NOT get stronger from his fight with Frieza and 4 more years of training, that puts SS1 Vegeta at 450 million. Later, when Goku leaves the time chamber, he powers up for Korin. His level of power greatly alarms Vegeta and Trunks, this indicates Goku is now greater than or equal to Vegeta. Goku then reveals to Korin that he only used about half of his power. That puts FPSS Cell saga Goku at 900 mil. Same song and dance for Gohan. Through the course of the story it's revealed he is equal to Goku. Then Gohan goes SS2, which is twice as strong as SS1 according to the Super Exciting Guide. That puts SS2 Gohan at at least 1.8 billion.

Then you get into the Buu saga. SS3 is another x4 on top of SS2, so assuming Goku didn't get any stronger in his 7 years of training, that puts him at 7.2 billion...Supreme Kai states in episode 219 that he is 1000 times stronger than Frieza. As you already pointed out, Frieza = 120 million, times 1000 and you have 120 billion. In Kibito's Daizenshuu entry, it says that Kibito could fight evenly with base form Gohan. Now, if you recall, Supreme Kai was repeatedly outmatched by the Saiyans even in base form. He was scared that even working together, they would not be able to beat Pui Pui, yet Vegeta does so easily, a feat that does not impress Goku or Gohan. It's safe to say that Gohan, (and by proxy Kibito) has a power level much higher than 120 billion at that point, in base form. For the sake of being as conservative as possible though, I'll assume Kibito has a power level of exactly 120 billion.

In the Super Exciting Guide, on page 63, it states that fusion via the earrings is in fact multiplication of power levels. That means Kibito Kai has a power level of at least 14.4 sextillion. Kibito Kai, by his own statements, as well as the statements of Old Kai, Goku and Vegeta, was so weak he would have just been in the way if he tried to fight Buu. Even when Vegeta was trying to fight Kid Buu in base form, Old Kai still warned Kibito Kai that he's too weak to help. From this we can conclude that base form Goku and Vegeta > 14.4 sextillion. Why is there such a giant gap in their power between the fight with Kid Buu and the start of the Buu saga? *shrugs* I don't know. The only thing I can think of is zenkai boosts. That, or Gohan was much much weaker than Goku and Vegeta...And as I've demonstrated, that's lowballing at every point possible, and completely ignoring Goku's 15 years of training after the fight with Kid Buu."

Meaning that by the end of the buu saga, goku's PL is 14.4 sextillion in base.

Pre-BoG Goku base

PL: 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000

Destructive Force: 800,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Durability: 2,224,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Speed: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s (60,206,515,975,956.22 x Light)

Raw Lift: 2,343,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons

Goku can also use kaio-ken to multiply his already immense power level. He's been shown going up to kaio-ken x 20, so that's the max i'd reference. SSJ3 pre-god goku using kaio-ken x 20 allows him to destroy 1,333,333.4 planets, tank 3,706,666.9 planets, move at 30,000,000,000 m/s (80x the speed of light). His lift strength is 3,906,000,000 tons. His PL is 24,000,000,000.

Vegito is the potora fusion of goku & vegeta, and as stated above, would have goku & vegeta's power levels multiplied together. Meaning that Vegito had a PL of around 207,360,000,000,000,000,000,000,768,400,016,360,888,208,504, or 2.0736e+44 in BASE. Vegito as a Super Saiyan would be 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 or 1.0368e+46.

(Using http://www.easysurf.cc/scintd.htm to display values out of scientific notation)

Now to further goku's power. Please keep note that these values will still be lower than they should be, but will get you closer to what it might be at the end of BoG.

Bills is stated to be the strongest character in the history of DBZ. That means he trumps vegito. SSJ1 Goku after attaining super saiyan god is shown to be on par with bills. Bills must be stronger than Vegito, but there is no value to give him. He may be 1.1x stronger or 100x stronger. I don't know. But what I do know is that...

SSJ1 goku post BoG = Bills > SSJ3 Goku Pre-BoG

SSJ1 = 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 (1.0368e+46)

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 20,736,000,000,000,000,000,000,736,440,704,136,928,432,440,400 (2.0736e+46)

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 82,944,000,000,000,000,000,000,944,760,816,544,712,728,760,600 (8.2944e+46)

With these values...

Destructive Power: 4,607,999,999,999,999,488,712,088,728,448,976,984,864,888 Planets

Durability: 12,810,240,000,000,002,048,152,560,088,416,368,320,448,224 Planets

Speed: 103,680,000,000,000,000,000,000,384,200,008,680,944,104,752,496 m/sec (346,789,532,021,507,840,472,584,848,560,232,928,288 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 13,499,136,000,000,002,048,152,056,752,928,128,272,528,424,048 Tons

Apply Kaio-kenx20

PL: 1,658,880,000,000,000,000,000,000,144,200,128,880,104,664,032,936 (1.65888e+48)

Destructive Power: 91,260,000,000,000,000,000,968,440,024,576,296,560,096,200 Planets

Durability: 256,204,800,000,000,000,000,000,056,304,376,128,440,552,480 Planets

Speed: 2,073,600,000,000,000,256,144,456,888,320,904,920,696,400,384,176 m/sec (6,935,790,640,430,156,776,296,048,792,824,128,128,848 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 269,982,719,999,999,936,464,136,608,336,656,480,088,744,688,976 Tons

His destructive force alone is enough to destroy the Universe 92,160,000,000,000,000,000 times over, and survive the explosion. (http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/05/how-many-planets-are-in-the-universe/ calcs the number of planets in our universe at about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.)
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Except these numbers are all total bullshit based on some guy's suppositions. If they were anywhere near accurate the shockwave from mere exchanged punches would destroy the planet, but that is not what happens.
 
Madnis said:
simple logic: a man with limits. can. not. beat a man who doesn't have any.
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They can say he has no limits, but when they consistently demonstrate that he does in fact have limits then it's just dumb.

Superman is no One-punch Man.
 
Who hasn't beat up Goku? He has gotten his ass kicked by the whole universe. He needs his homies to jump every single villain. Needs steroid beans to save him. And when shit hits the fan he needs the universe to pray for him to use an attack to beat people.

Supes easily wins this.
 
Marginal said:
They can say he has no limits, but when they consistently demonstrate that he does in fact have limits then it's just dumb.

Superman is no One-punch Man.
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Who are they? The writers? I don't make up the character stats bruh. I just see em. That's the way it's written. Superman isn't one punch man, but with the force he could hit might as well be.
 
Madnis said:
Who are they? The writers? I don't make up the character stats bruh. I just see em. That's the way it's written. Superman isn't one punch man, but with the force he could hit might as well be.
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What they demonstrate is contrary to what they say. Therefore their word is shit.
 
I just took a visit to the other Kakarot vs Superman thread, & I saw that Stevo posted the same shit in that one too. XD

My bad, guys... n.n It was all for naught. By the way, what mkl says is pretty much true. Kakarot does pretty much get his ass whooped single handedly by pretty much every single villain. However, I don't know shit about Super Bitch, so I can't tell if he gets his ass whooped single handedly either. However, in that vid I posted earlier, I heard he got ass beat by a bat with no powers (XD). Not sure if it's true, but if it is, that's just pathetically sad.

I'm going to have to vote for Kakarot, even if he is a weak bastard. I think Super douche would kick Kakarot's ass in the beginning, but utterly lose in the end. For Kakarot's chump weak sauce, he can compensate with different levels of Super Saiyan. Getting stronger & stronger the more he gets his ass whooped. Super guy does not have any levels of transformation. Thus, he'll be destroyed once Kakarot reaches higher saiyan levels.

Question: Does Gogeta count or is that a bit cheating, because he needs Vegeta to turn Gogeta. I don't think it's a cheat at all, it's still one person.
 
You have to know the characters as to why superman would lose to batman.

but as for goku, no saving him.

superman all the time. I keep saying this. Superman has no limits. This is how he was written as a character when they first conceived him all the way to now. He has weaknesses. but weakness does not = limit. It's written he has limitless abilities.

If you understood just how much he held back, you would know Goku never stood/stands a chance.

that's the problem with this debate. DBZ hard heads refuse to believe the truth, and they can't see it simply because they have too much faith in Goku. It's sad.

it's not a fight between superman and goku. It wouldn't be a fight to begin with. Just a massacre. Goku would get mirked. It's now more of a battle of DBZ fanboys vs reality. They're living a dream.
 
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Yeah, Madnis. You pretty much already proved you're a super fan boy, orgasming about Super Dick & defending him really hard. I'm sure we all got your point. However, super guy got his ass beat by a regular human. Last I checked in Dragon Ball, humans don't faze saiyans or even put up a fight. Saiyan's can also dodge pretty quick, or just vanish attacks, meaning teleport out of them. Super guy can't also survive without the sun, I hear. A saiyan could just take the fight into a far distant spot in space. & yes they can fight in space. Broly destroyed a galaxy while being in outer space & Kakarot fought some bunny lookin mother fucker in space as well.
 
Death_Emperor_X said:
Yeah, Madnis. You pretty much already proved you're a super fan boy, orgasming about Super Dick & defending him really hard. I'm sure we all got your point. However, super guy got his ass beat by a regular human. Last I checked in Dragon Ball, humans don't faze saiyans.... Sigh
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Don't be stupid. I'm not a fan of superman. I just respect that nigga's power. If I was a true to heart fanboy of supes I could articulate far better why goku would lose and not spit common knowledge at you DBz heads all day. I'm also sick to death of this argument which is a nondebate in reality because it's always the same.

The same stupid ass but goku... Comments that are beyond retarded, and shows not just ignorance but plain denial of what's common knowledge.

Clearly you fuckers are reaching.

And its sad. I wish to god I was a fan of supes just so you guys would at least have one thing right. But guess what? No. If this was a preference poll I would say goku. Because I hate superman. But this isn't a popularity contest. This isn't opinion based. This is common fucking knowledge.

That common knowledge is superman has no limits. That's how supes was written from the jump. There is no discussion after that. It's the end all be all comment on the topic. There is no defending it. This isn't something where you can say "but but but." Take the fucking loss. Goku loses and will lose every time.

Why? Because a man with limits can not beat a man who doesn't.

And before you spit your ignorance like "but batman beat superman..." Ask yourself, do you know these characters? No? Then shut your ass up, boy. You're ignorant.

Think. Accept. Then wake up to reality.

Only reason why I seem like a fanboy is because I'm actually trying to wake your stupid asses up too hard.

In reality, I'm tired of this shit. Everywhere I go, in every fucking class. I have to deal with this topic. It's stupid because that death battle should have done it. But no. You stupid fucks continue to persevere. Even against what is plain to see. This is why I'm trying to simply end it. Because you fans are too blind in your faith in goku, and it's disgusting to see my fellow man be this fucking retarded.

So guess what? If the numbers should tell it. Goku can't match those numbers. Not even close. That coupled with what's said as plain as day; superman abilities are limitless.

Creates a very simple scenario that brooks no argument, but apparently can make desperate ignorant stupid fucks still voice what they think is a valid opinion when it's not. Why?

Because end of the day: goku has limits. Superman. Has none.

So let's hear it:

How do you dream goku can beat superman?

Because if this post will prove anything, it's that you stupid asses will continue to dream up stupid ass scenarios where you think goku can beat superman. When in reality superman would utterly beat goku into the ground.
 
Here's my dream scenario: goku supes fight. Goku gets fucked up, eats a sensu bean. Still fights and gets fucked up. Charges to super saiyajin gets fucked up. Goes to level 4 still gets fucked up vegeta comes for the save but gets fucked up. They fuse and still get fucked up. Gotenks come in for the save they get fucked up. They all fuse together. Still all gets fucked up. Desperation kicks in and they try charging to a point that could destroy not just the planet but the entire galaxy superman decides to just go all out and ends the fight and kills them all. Goku and crew getting lectured by king Kai about how stupid he they were. Goku vows to train to beat him and begins training for the rematch. The fight took a full season. Because of how long DBz is known to drag on fights. Season 2 would be the rematch where in the end they all die again and are begged by king Kai to stop
 
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