Yoshimitsu Matchup Discussion

Maxou

[11] Champion
IMO it is a 5-5 MU.
But there's a huge misconception as in Voldo being "Yoshi's top5 MU easy free character to fight against" here (just watch mkl's arguments).
Both character are amazing and have good tools against each other.
 

mkl

[00] Signia's Cheerleader
IMO it is a 5-5 MU.
But there's a huge misconception as in Voldo being "Yoshi's top5 MU easy free character to fight against" here (just watch mkl's arguments).
Both character are amazing and have good tools against each other.
I said it was one of his best five MUs, not a free win. Most Yoshis in the US agree with this, including many Voldo players. Your arguments for this MU being neutral or even in Voldo's favor (as you've hinted at) is the fact that Yoshi can't magically shut down all options in BS, even if he has multiple great options that makes you work for your damage. You also have said that Voldo cannot be frame trapped ever and can safely ignore frames. I'm not taking this out of context. In chat you literally said Voldo does not have to worry about frame traps and iMCF is a non-factor in this MU. When you can formulate an argument better than "in this particular instance Yoshi will eat *insert move* if the frames are perfect and he does this particular option" then I'll take you more seriously. Until then, keep spouting stupid shit like you always do about every character and refuse to admit Pyrrha is top 10.

Tips for this MU for anyone who isn't interested in retarded US v. France arguments.
1. 3B combos in BS lead to a guaranteed a:B+K 2(A+B)66 for optimal damage.
2. iMCF 66A BE works on Voldo.
3. 3K, 9K, and backstep low block are great options against BS.
4. JGs. He can run a safe game without the use of JG. Punishment in general is a key here.
5. Take advantage of your throws. When he's front turned you have a 65/55 dmg throw option with good range and when he's in BS you suddenly have 70 damage potential.
6. Voldo can't move very well and you can. Take advantage of that.
7. His moves aren't fast and thus you won't be punished to hard for things in a reasonable range. 9B+K is my favorite since it breaks in 8, TJs, and -14 isn't going to be punished hard at all by Voldo.

If it isn't in Yoshi's top 5 MUs it is easily in his top 10.
 

Maxou

[11] Champion
Your arguments for this MU being neutral or even in Voldo's favor (as you've hinted at) is the fact that Yoshi can't magically shut down all options in BS, even if he has multiple great options that makes you work for your damage. You also have said that Voldo cannot be frame trapped ever and can safely ignore frames. I'm not taking this out of context. In chat you literally said Voldo does not have to worry about frame traps and iMCF is a non-factor in this MU. When you can formulate an argument better than "in this particular instance Yoshi will eat *insert move* if the frames are perfect and he does this particular option" then I'll take you more seriously. Until then, keep spouting stupid shit like you always do about every character and refuse to admit Pyrrha is top 10.
Sigh...

1) I never hinted as the MU being in Voldo's favor. Happy did and I disagree with him.
2) Actually the main pros for Voldo here is about range, punishment and whiffpunishment while staying quite safe. Not really about BS.
3) Voldo doesn't really have to care about iMCF, since he doesn't have to fight at a distance where iMCF will hit him. 6B BE is more annoying since it will catch BS backdash and BS backdash guard.
4) Don't take me seriously, I don't care for you nor your opinion, you're obviously biaised and completely victim of the common knowledge effet.
5) I do believe Pyrrha is top10, just not top5. Just like I previously said to you. But you don't read or don't understand or don't want to understand.

Your list of tips is actually quite true except for the last part.
Voldo is not that slow, and his -14 punishment is actually decent.
 

mkl

[00] Signia's Cheerleader
Sigh...

1) I never hinted as the MU being in Voldo's favor. Happy did and I disagree with him.
2) Actually the main pros for Voldo here is about range, punishment and whiffpunishment while staying quite safe. Not really about BS.
3) Voldo doesn't really have to care about iMCF, since he doesn't have to fight at a distance where iMCF will hit him. 6B BE is more annoying since it will catch BS backdash and BS backdash guard.
4) Don't take me seriously, I don't care for you nor your opinion, you're obviously biaised and completely victim of the common knowledge effet.
5) I do believe Pyrrha is top10, just not top5. Just like I previously said to you. But you don't read or don't understand or don't want to understand.

Your list of tips is actually quite true except for the last part.
Voldo is not that slow, and his -14 punishment is actually decent.
What does he get? AA, 6B and 6B BE are all I can think of.
 

Maxou

[11] Champion
I am assuming you're talking about i14 punishment?
6B BE BS 2K is garanteed and deals 50dmg. Which is quite decent and the wake up is good.
6B BE offers also a lot of all side tech trap too.
 

hAppY

[08] Mercenary
Ok ok anyway now mkl explain this :" I think Cerv is 5:5ish, but it's obviously hypothetical. "
Imo cervantes is the second or third worst Mu .
 

mkl

[00] Signia's Cheerleader
Ok ok anyway now mkl explain this :" I think Cerv is 5:5ish, but it's obviously hypothetical. "
Imo cervantes is the second or third worst Mu .
I explained it in that post.
 

Pocky-Yoshi

[14] Master
Reviving thread with a grudge. I'm particularly struggling on anti Maxis. What are things I ought to look out for as Yoshi to Maxi?