SCV DLC Guest Character: Ermac!

dont they have to get permission from wb or whoever owns mk in order to use ermac, and i bet they wouldnt cause they are competitors (thats just my opininion)
 
Ermac... Over Scorpion? Before crying foul over "sw0rds r jeneric lulz", Scorps dual wields ninja swords (don't bring up Cervy. They're fighting styles don't compare even slightly), and let's not forget his spear and those things called fists. Also, Toasty would make a great CE.

Scorpion > Ermac for a crossover. Ermac isn't the face of MK, Scorpion is.

And even then, the chances for another third-party character (let alone, a DLC one) are pretty thin when compared to characters such as Zas or Talim.
 
TamJamming said:
Ermac... Over Scorpion? Before crying foul over "sw0rds r jeneric lulz", Scorps dual wields ninja swords (don't bring up Cervy. They're fighting styles don't compare even slightly), and let's not forget his spear and those things called fists. Also, Toasty would make a great CE.

Scorpion > Ermac for a crossover. Ermac isn't the face of MK, Scorpion is.

And even then, the chances for another third-party character (let alone, a DLC one) are pretty thin when compared to characters such as Zas or Talim.
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Scorp dual wields? in MK Armageddon or whatever the last game with weapons was, i thought he and subzero both only used one sword. but idk. Well, Ivy has a move identical to Scorpion's spear move and she even says something like "come over here". So you can make Scorp with Ivy. You can't make Ermac. I know Ermac isn't the face of MK, don't point out the obvious, but that's exactly my point! Ermac doesn't need to be the face of MK, he's still popular because he's badass. And he fits better than Scorpion, i provided way more reasons than you. Ermac > Scorpion for a crossover. Agree to disagree.
 
Before I start, I'd just like to say that I came into Soul Calibur as a Mortal Kombat fan. Which means I'm pretty well-versed in the franchise's history, characters, etc..

pharaoh03 said:
Scorp dual wields? in MK Armageddon or whatever the last game with weapons was, i thought he and subzero both only used one sword. but idk.
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Scorpion is one of the few characters who has a staple weapon on his character. Not only is Scorpion known for his flaming skull, spear, teleport attacks, signature lines, and hellfire abilities, but he's also associated with dual-wielding swords. In fact, the swords are so important to Scorpion's character, they have a name: Mugai Ryu.

Ermac's weapon in Armageddon if I recall correctly is called... Axe. Huh.

Also, among a cast of non-weapon wielders in the latest MK game, Scorpion serves as one of the few who actually wields his Mugai Ryu swords (only confirming that these weapons are truly staple to his character). In a weapons-based fighting game such as Soul Calibur, Scorpion is fulfilling every. Single. Archetype so far.

The point you made about Scorpion only wielding half of his arsenal in Armageddon, while true, holds no ground in your argument at all. That design choice was based off of sheer, unadulterated laziness. That game was filled to the brim with cloning. Why in God's name would Project Soul choose to incorporate a Mortal Kombat crossover based off of Armageddon as opposed to MK9? The fact that you even brought this point to light is saddening, really. Armageddon was a poorly slewed together piece of cake in a bacteria filled Petri dish whereas MK9 holds ground as being arguably the best Mortal Kombat iteration of the whole franchise. Oh, and did I mention that Armageddon is a game from a whole platform generation ago (fast approaching 2 generations ago), whereas MK9 is the most recent addition to the MK series, being released just last year?

Now where the hell do you think Project Soul is going to pull a design from, hm?

pharaoh03 said:
Well, Ivy has a move identical to Scorpion's spear move and she even says something like "come over here". So you can make Scorp with Ivy. You can't make Ermac.
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Wow, I sure hope a guest character doesn't come along with dual hidden blades, or a sword and shield. That would totally be identical to Dampierre, or Cassandra and Sophitia!:sc5ezi1::sc2lnk1:

I am really trying hard to understand your logic here, I really am. But I'm afraid that if I try any harder at understanding your flawed common sense, I might just get an aneurysm. Under your logic, we could EASILY make an Ezio character using Dampierre's style, can't we? They're similar enough, right? Yet, here we have Ezio. I don't see why you haven't realized that your "you can't make them in Creation Mode, so they hold a greater chance of crossing over" mentality supports as much logical weight as an ant trying to lift up the Colossus of Rhodes.

Ermac can't be made in Creation? Since you seem to be such an avid fanboy of his, you probably already know that Ermac manifests souls of the deceased to utilize his telekinesis. Viola's style has a Skull model that you can choose as the weapon. Color it green, make a red and black mummy themed ninja (using green stickers for the eyes), and... Well f**k me sideways, you have Ermac.

And just a note... Ermac + Violda fit a hell of a lot better than Scorpion + Ivy. Oh please, question me about this. Please please do.

pharaoh03 said:
I know Ermac isn't the face of MK, don't point out the obvious, but that's exactly my point! Ermac doesn't need to be the face of MK, he's still popular because he's badass.
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Here's the badass mentality that you seem to think actually holds ground in your argument.

Stryker's a badass. He's just a regular dude, fighting superpowered (and telekinetic) ninjas, Shaolin monks, 4-armed dragon humanoids, gods, etc.. All with the use of his fists, standard issue police equipment, and some explosives. Ermac needs telekinesis to even compete with this guy? What a wuss.

Now I know what you're thinking. "Lol you moron, if you're using that argument, then Stryker's more of a badass than Scorpion!"

Very true. I would say that Mr. Kurtis Stryker is indeed the most badass MK fighter. Ever. But I was only mentioning this using your silly and inane "the most badass gets in" mentality to prove a point. That according to your mentality, Stryker should be the one you should be making an argument for, not Ermac.

Now let's pull our heads out of your asshole (since that's where I supposedly had to shove mine in order to observe your mental thought process) and use real world logic. Not only is Scorpion the FACE of the Mortal Kombat franchise, but his fan base far exceeds that of Ermac's to the point where people who have never touched a Mortal Kombat game in their life can tell you that the yellow ninja is Scorpion. Scorpion even beats out Sub-Zero for this position merely because of three simple words. I think anyone with a quarter of a brain can figure out this signature catch-phrase.

pharaoh03 said:
And he fits better than Scorpion, i provided way more reasons than you. Ermac > Scorpion for a crossover.
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Quantity =/= Quality

Something that the vast majority of your "reasons" clearly lacked, kiddo.

pharaoh03 said:
Agree to disagree.
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Oh-ho trust me, I wholeheartedly disagree with ya.

I'm not sure whether you're just the biggest and most obvious troll ever, or whether I'm putting myself into a spiral of your questionably undoubtedly nonsensical logic. But if you're dragging a troll topic on for this long, you must be stupid. And stupid people make me sad. They really do. You make me very sad.

I'm expecting a very vain and crude response to which will probably make you out to be even more of a fool. So please prove me right and do so. If not, then let me combat my insomnia by going for a nice nighttime run around town please. Thank you.
 
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Scorpion is one of the few characters who has a staple weapon on his character. Not only is Scorpion known for his flaming skull, spear, teleport attacks, signature lines, and hellfire abilities, but he's also associated with dual-wielding swords. In fact, the swords are so important to Scorpion's character, they have a name: Mugai Ryu.

Ermac's weapon in Armageddon if I recall correctly is called... Axe. Huh.
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Scorpion's weapons being more of a signature doesn't mean he'd be best for SCV.

Also, among a cast of non-weapon wielders in the latest MK game, Scorpion serves as one of the few who actually wields his Mugai Ryu swords (only confirming that these weapons are truly staple to his character). In a weapons-based fighting game such as Soul Calibur, Scorpion is fulfilling every. Single. Archetype so far.
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Ermac's axe isn't an iteration, it's part of his design/style.

The point you made about Scorpion only wielding half of his arsenal in Armageddon, while true, holds no ground in your argument at all. That design choice was based off of sheer, unadulterated laziness. That game was filled to the brim with cloning. Why in God's name would Project Soul choose to incorporate a Mortal Kombat crossover based off of Armageddon as opposed to MK9? The fact that you even brought this point to light is saddening, really. Armageddon was a poorly slewed together piece of cake in a bacteria filled Petri dish whereas MK9 holds ground as being arguably the best Mortal Kombat iteration of the whole franchise. Oh, and did I mention that Armageddon is a game from a whole platform generation ago (fast approaching 2 generations ago),whereas MK9 is the most recent addition to the MK series, being released just last year?
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Again, Ermac's axe isn't based off of Armageddon. It may have been debuted in Armageddon, idk, but his axe isn't canon to Armageddon. Project Soul could use a MK9-based Ermac and his weapon would be an axe. What's so hard to understand about that? You can't disqualify Ermac for being weaponless.


Wow, I sure hope a guest character doesn't come along with dual hidden blades, or a sword and shield. That would totally be identical to Dampierre, or Cassandra and Sophitia!:sc5ezi1::sc2lnk1:
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Yes, that is why characters who have successors won't be DLC. Correct.

Under your logic, we could EASILY make an Ezio character using Dampierre's style, can't we? They're similar enough, right? Yet, here we have Ezio. I don't see why you haven't realized that your "you can't make them in Creation Mode, so they hold a greater chance of crossing over" mentality supports as much logical weight as an ant trying to lift up the Colossus of Rhodes.
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What? How are Dampierre and Ezio similar? If you mean because they have a similar move or something, then no, not the same thing. I'm not using "can't make em in Creation Mode" as an argument by itself, it's a reason against other characters that would also fit, who you can make in Creation. That ties in with my diversity argument. Which is not necessarily logical, just preferential.


Ermac can't be made in Creation? Since you seem to be such an avid fanboy of his, you probably already know that Ermac manifests souls of the deceased to utilize his telekinesis. Viola's style has a Skull model that you can choose as the weapon. Color it green, make a red and black mummy themed ninja (using green stickers for the eyes), and... Well f**k me sideways, you have Ermac.

And just a note... Ermac + Violda fit a hell of a lot better than Scorpion + Ivy. Oh please, question me about this. Please please do.
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He really can't. Even though i admit you can't make most MK characters in Creation, not accurately at least. But no, Viola doesn't resemble Ermac at all. Cervantes' telekinesis and floating moves reflect Ermac way better, plus an Ermac with Viola's style would just look stupid. But Cervantes' style is still off overall. You can make Sub-Zero with Seig and his Icy-crystal CE. Scorpion is just really basic, you can just use Mitsu for him since there's nothing extremely off, and Ivy's extending sword does somewhat fit him. It's his spear and sword in one. If i was a fan of Scorpion i'd make him with her. Not that this even holds that much to my argument. Just a minor thing.

Now let's pull our heads out of your asshole (since that's where I supposedly had to shove mine in order to observe your mental thought process) and use real world logic. Not only is Scorpion the FACE of the Mortal Kombat franchise, but his fan base far exceeds that of Ermac's to the point where people who have never touched a Mortal Kombat game in their life can tell you that the yellow ninja is Scorpion. Scorpion even beats out Sub-Zero for this position merely because of three simple words. I think anyone with a quarter of a brain can figure out this signature catch-phrase.
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Come...over.....here? Lol jk i know it's "get over here". But i know Ermac is not a franchise character, i've stressed that i'm aware of that. A crossover character just doesn't have to be a franchise character. Devil Jin isn't necessarily a franchise character. Ermac has enough fans and fits well enough to be a viable choice.


I'm not sure whether you're just the biggest and most obvious troll ever, or whether I'm putting myself into a spiral of your questionably undoubtedly nonsensical logic. But if you're dragging a troll topic on for this long, you must be stupid. And stupid people make me sad. They really do. You make me very sad.
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No, i'm serious. This is a serious topic. And your blatant bashes actually make you the troll, not me. And i'm not dragging this topic on by any means, i'm just defending it and responding.

I'm expecting a very vain and crude response to which will probably make you out to be even more of a fool. So please prove me right and do so. If not, then let me combat my insomnia by going for a nice nighttime run around town please. Thank you.
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Nope, i didn't respond with rage or insults. I'm capable of a civil discussion/argument unlike some people.
 
This Ermac v. Scorpion crapload ignores the inherent idiocy of crossing over Mortal Kombat and Soulcalibur in the first place. MKvDCU pretty much proved that MK needs to stick to it's own damn thing unless it's crossing over with another M rated fighter.

MK's selling point is bloody cartoonish ultraviolence. Namco will feature cartoonish ultraviolence, but they will only do so in a way that is not bloody so as to maintain their games T rating. They're not going to cut themselves off from an entire demographic to properly satiate the desires of the three people who think this turd of a thread contains a good idea anywhere inside it.

If you don't care about the blood, guts and dismemberment in regards to playing a Mortal Kombat character, then I don't know what the hell your problem is but at that point I'd honestly rather they just reskin Darth Vader as a sword wielding wizard or something and be done with it if you just want a telekinetic character so damn badly.

A guest character in this game from another fighter is stupid in and of itself before you can even get into specifics anyway. The charm of guest characters is getting to play as someone unrelated in the context of a fighting game. There are already infinity fighting games where you can play as Ermac.

This whole idea effectively has no purpose.
 
Nine-L said:
This Ermac v. Scorpion crapload ignores the inherent idiocy of crossing over Mortal Kombat and Soulcalibur in the first place.

MK's selling point is bloody cartoonish ultraviolence. Namco will feature cartoonish ultraviolence, but they will only do so in a way that is not bloody so as to maintain their games T rating.

This whole idea effectively has no purpose.
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- Yes it is a crapload. But it wasn't the fact that I was arguing for the sake of arguing because "I'm a Scorpion fanboy" or anything. Just the general attitude that the thread creator has had towards any criticism at all in the thread as a whole was just outright wrong at a societal standpoint.

- Was Kratos not featured a game in bloody, cartoonish ultraviolence? I'm not trying to start an argument but an MK character could work in a crossover with Soul Calibur. I'm not advocating it by any means, I'm just stating a matter of fact. I would agree with you wholeheartedly, if not for Kratos :\

- This is the truth. I wanna raise a flag and have this thread locked/deleted, it has effectively led into a spiral of chaos that I didn't mean to be a part of o_O
 
pharaoh03 said:
You're not cool. Ermac fits. It's actually not clear that Subzero fits "the" category. What category btw?
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Wow you did not just get what I said?
Guys he doesn't get the fact that Sub-Zero is actually "cool" whereas Ermac is not.
Please tell me someone gets it.
 
TamJamming said:
- Was Kratos not featured a game in bloody, cartoonish ultraviolence? I'm not trying to start an argument but an MK character could work in a crossover with Soul Calibur. I'm not advocating it by any means, I'm just stating a matter of fact. I would agree with you wholeheartedly, if not for Kratos :\
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It could work, but it won't bring Mortal Kombat fans to playing this game, or at least it won't bring those that play Mortal Kombat for the gore/blood/fatalities. That, as well as controversy, is the whole "stable" of Mortal Kombat. That is what keeps it on its feet.

Many fans disregard MK vs DC for that reason only, even though personally the gameplay is pretty good.

pharaoh03 said:
Scorpion's weapons being more of a signature doesn't mean he'd be best for SCV.
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You clearly just contradicted yourself. First you say the axe is Ermac's signature weapon, making him fit for the game, and then you say that Scorpions dual katanas is more of a signature weapon than Ermac's, yet he doesn't fit for SCV.

pharaoh03 said:
Ermac's axe isn't an iteration, it's part of his design/style.
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The only reason Ermac had an axe in MK:D, and MK:A, or a weapon for that matter, is because everyone else had weapons in the game, so no, it is not a part of his design and style. If it was, it would have been on MK9.

pharaoh03 said:
Again, Ermac's axe isn't based off of Armageddon. It may have been debuted in Armageddon, idk, but his axe isn't canon to Armageddon. Project Soul could use a MK9-based Ermac and his weapon would be an axe. What's so hard to understand about that? You can't disqualify Ermac for being weaponless.
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You are right, it is not based off of Armageddon. It is based off of Deception and that is where Ermac's axe debuted. As a matter of fact, he isn't the only MK character that had an axe. Scorpion used one before he did.

pharaoh03 said:
Come...over.....here? Lol jk i know it's "get over here". But i know Ermac is not a franchise character, i've stressed that i'm aware of that. A crossover character just doesn't have to be a franchise character. Devil Jin isn't necessarily a franchise character.
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In technicality, Jin is a franchise character, while Devil Jin is his alter ego, thus making "Devil Jin" a franchise character as well. Regardless, Devil Jin himself isn't even in SCV. His moveset is, used by Harada's character.


pharaoh03 said:
No, i'm serious. This is a serious topic. And your blatant bashes actually make you the troll, not me.
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You may say it's serious, but it really isn't.
 
How is this thread still alive?

OP point #1: Ermac would "fit" SCV.

This has to be a troll, right? I mean, what the hell.... this makes just as much sense as saying, "I wish Twilight had more Stormtroopers because Inglorious Bastards was a great movie. Battlestar Galactica should've had Jedi - because they fit." This can't be serious....

OP Point #2: More words automatically means something is more logical.

False.
 
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