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bah there's nothing wrong with macs! they're awesome for both programming and digital media development. they are essentially the only user friendly system out there that actually still has the ability to PROMOTE to you to gradually learn how to use a computer if you desire too.Oh, we're doing pictures? Sweet.
actually i think instead of posting in this thread, we should just have a casual computer talk thread. this way instead of people all getting at eachothers throats all the time, we could actually engage in a productive and enjoyable conversation.Good Lord, would you all be ever so kind to shut up and let this useless thread die already?
This is my main gripe with them. They're not bad computers, but for the price you could get something much better that actually works with the vast majority of software out there. Plus, and this is coming from experience, the air flow is terrible (and cooling in general).certainly they are overpriced
I like this idea.actually i think instead of posting in this thread, we should just have a casual computer talk thread.
i dunno about that - macs work with a fair amount of proprietary software as it is, and for everything else, there is either wine, or free linux packages that mac OSX users can compile from source. that covers at least 80% of all required software(probably over 100% for everyday users), not to mention that apple also makes a fair deal of their own proprietary software, and alot of that software is very good quality. plus dont forget that you CAN always install windows onto a mac machine if you absolutely must - infact apple even provides you the software to do so. you could also install linux on a mac, or freeBSD on a mac, if you really wanted to.This is my main gripe with them. They're not bad computers, but for the price you could get something much better that actually works with the vast majority of software out there. Plus, and this is coming from experience, the air flow is terrible (and cooling in general).
I like this idea.
I have several points to make since you're regarding laptops...One of the big problems I have with mac is the price, but also the fact that if your power cord fails or gets destroyed (pretty common when you have cats) you HAVE to buy an Apple power cord, which wouldn't be an issue if they didn't cost an arm and a leg. My wife had to buy a new one for her iMac and it costed 80 bucks!
Compare that to my PC Laptop, where I can buy any after-market one at Best Buy for 10-15 bucks.
Upgrade a Mac? Good luck taking it apart, especially the laptops.
PC? No problem I can buy whatever motherboard and Ram chips I want and I essentially got a new computer for far less than buying a new mac.
Gaming? Even though there are more Mac compatible games than before, its library is still much shorter than PC's.
And as far as how long they last, this PC laptop that I'm currently using now is 6 years old. It's not meant for anything other than facebook twitter forums, etc, so there's no reason for me to upgrade.
We also had an old macbook OSX that was 2001 model, it lasted only 5 years before the motherboard crashed.
And then lastly, much of the college stuff that uses computers requires PCs.
Only downside? PC's get viruses like mad, but this is only because 95% of the internet users use PCs, why not program for the biggest common denominator?
actually for a mac mini you can rip out the ram and everything, and stick more in. and for upgradability you have the mac pro. the laptop ram is all soldered in, but if you're really worried about upgrading your laptop anyways, then you should probably just get a desktop. besides its not uncommon for laptop ram to be soldered in anyways: my samsung laptop that im talking to you on right now has both the ram and the battery soldered in.One of the big problems I have with mac is the price, but also the fact that if your power cord fails or gets destroyed (pretty common when you have cats) you HAVE to buy an Apple power cord, which wouldn't be an issue if they didn't cost an arm and a leg. My wife had to buy a new one for her iMac and it costed 80 bucks!
Compare that to my PC Laptop, where I can buy any after-market one at Best Buy for 10-15 bucks.
Upgrade a Mac? Good luck taking it apart, especially the laptops.
PC? No problem I can buy whatever motherboard and Ram chips I want and I essentially got a new computer for far less than buying a new mac.
Gaming? Even though there are more Mac compatible games than before, its library is still much shorter than PC's.
And as far as how long they last, this PC laptop that I'm currently using now is 6 years old. It's not meant for anything other than facebook twitter forums, etc, so there's no reason for me to upgrade.
We also had an old macbook OSX that was 2001 model, it lasted only 5 years before the motherboard crashed.
And then lastly, much of the college stuff that uses computers requires PCs.
Only downside? PC's get viruses like mad, but this is only because 95% of the internet users use PCs, why not program for the biggest common denominator?
actually my main reason for using Linux is that I like the environment better, The fact that I hate proprietary software (excluding games) probably helps as well. But its not the main reason, which is why im open to using OSX.It's cool being in college, and installing Linux or buying a Mac is cool because everyone does it, but if your main reason to like Linux more than Windows is because you can't find alternatives to the unix development enivronment that you use in class, you're probably just drunk on the kool-aid. Programming on Windows is different than on Linux, but the actual tools you use to program are not the reason why.
and actually some of the capabilities that i like in *nix systems that arent build into windows are, for example, the ability to ssh into my home server. theres alot of really useful non-programming things in *nix environments that you have to either buy a tool for in order to emulate it, or you have to at least go and find an external tool to download in order for the same thing to work on windows.It's cool being in college, and installing Linux or buying a Mac is cool because everyone does it, but if your main reason to like Linux more than Windows is because you can't find alternatives to the unix development enivronment that you use in class, you're probably just drunk on the kool-aid. Programming on Windows is different than on Linux, but the actual tools you use to program are not the reason why.