Mr.Hai
[09] Warrior
You want to discuss meter use? Super.
1 BE = 60.
2 Full gauges is 200%.
All instances are on hit.
Credit to Suirad:
"Meter gained on block: give 40% or 2/5 of what it builds on hit, rounded down and to a minimum of 2.
Whiffed attacks: give 20% or 1/5 of what the move builds on hit, rounded down and to a minimum of 1.
jG builds 10.
Breaking a throw builds 10.
Meter gain by opponent: gives 40% or 2/5 of the meter that the move gives to you, rounded down and to a minimum of 1."
That being said, I haven't tested moves on whiff/block, so just assume the above applies.
Since most combos with BE/CE have non meter moves, the net meter cost is usually lower than if only the BE/CE meter is considered. Additionally, longer combos that would scale down the BE/CE tend to build more meter which slightly counterbalances the scaling (ok more like hardly):
"Combo" = damage (meter _ meter %)
NH:
CH:
Meter given on hit = Meter % (1 BE = 60)
25 = 21%
Meter Given = Meter Percent
Meter efficiency (or gaining less meter and spending meter are two sides of the same coin). A small chart using the opportunity cost of using meter vs damage options.
Move:
CE:
33k(BE):
CH 6BB:
CH Prep~BB:
66B/66(B):
4(B):
GI:
SE B
To do:
Update combos
Finish movelist
Block/Whiff/Meter given data
If anyone has similar data, or finds mine to be erroneous, or likes training mode please contibute!
1 BE = 60.
2 Full gauges is 200%.
All instances are on hit.
Credit to Suirad:
"Meter gained on block: give 40% or 2/5 of what it builds on hit, rounded down and to a minimum of 2.
Whiffed attacks: give 20% or 1/5 of what the move builds on hit, rounded down and to a minimum of 1.
jG builds 10.
Breaking a throw builds 10.
Meter gain by opponent: gives 40% or 2/5 of the meter that the move gives to you, rounded down and to a minimum of 1."
That being said, I haven't tested moves on whiff/block, so just assume the above applies.
Since most combos with BE/CE have non meter moves, the net meter cost is usually lower than if only the BE/CE meter is considered. Additionally, longer combos that would scale down the BE/CE tend to build more meter which slightly counterbalances the scaling (ok more like hardly):
"Combo" = damage (meter _ meter %)
NH:
33_99k(BE), CE = 115 dmg - (1 BE, 1 CE)
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22B, CE = 93 dmg (10_8%) - (1 CE)
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44B, 2K = 38 dmg (17_14%)
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44K, 2B = 34 dmg (14_12%)
44K, A+BA =
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66A+B, BT B+K = 49 dmg (25_21%)
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44A+B, 66B+K = 101 dmg (35_29%)
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22B, A+B A = 63 dmg (11_9%)
22B, 2A
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B+G, 2K = 53 dmg (12_10%)
B+G, 1A = 52 dmg (12_10%)
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66(B)~A+B = 56 dmg (19_16%)
66B, 66B+K = 48 dmg (28_23%)
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3(B)~AB = 48 dmg (11_9%)
3(B)~BB = 38 dmg (10_8%)
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4(B)~BBB, CE = 88 dmg (17_14%) - (1 CE)
4(B)~BBB, A+BA = 70 dmg (29_24%)
4(B)~Bb(BE) = 64 dmg (13_11%) - (1 BE)
4(B) ~BBB, 66A+B = 58 dmg (32_27%)
4(B) ~BBB, 1B = 58 dmg (28_23%)
4(B)~BBB, 2B = 55 dmg (22_18%)
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SE B, 33k(BE) CE = 122 (11_9%)- (1 BE, 1 CE)
SE B, 3(B) prep~BBB, CE = 115 (23_19%) - (1 CE)
SE B, 33k(BE), 2B = 101 dmg (16_13%) - (1 BE)
SE B, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 94 dmg (21_18%) - (1 BE)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, A+BA = 100 dmg (35_29%)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, 66A+B = 86 dmg (38_32%)
SEB, 66(B)~A+B = 86 dmg (30_25%)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, 2B = 82 dmg (23_19%)
SEB, 66B, 66B+K = 80 dmg (39_33%)
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22B, CE = 93 dmg (10_8%) - (1 CE)
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44B, 2K = 38 dmg (17_14%)
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44K, 2B = 34 dmg (14_12%)
44K, A+BA =
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66A+B, BT B+K = 49 dmg (25_21%)
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44A+B, 66B+K = 101 dmg (35_29%)
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22B, A+B A = 63 dmg (11_9%)
22B, 2A
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B+G, 2K = 53 dmg (12_10%)
B+G, 1A = 52 dmg (12_10%)
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66(B)~A+B = 56 dmg (19_16%)
66B, 66B+K = 48 dmg (28_23%)
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3(B)~AB = 48 dmg (11_9%)
3(B)~BB = 38 dmg (10_8%)
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4(B)~BBB, CE = 88 dmg (17_14%) - (1 CE)
4(B)~BBB, A+BA = 70 dmg (29_24%)
4(B)~Bb(BE) = 64 dmg (13_11%) - (1 BE)
4(B) ~BBB, 66A+B = 58 dmg (32_27%)
4(B) ~BBB, 1B = 58 dmg (28_23%)
4(B)~BBB, 2B = 55 dmg (22_18%)
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SE B, 33k(BE) CE = 122 (11_9%)- (1 BE, 1 CE)
SE B, 3(B) prep~BBB, CE = 115 (23_19%) - (1 CE)
SE B, 33k(BE), 2B = 101 dmg (16_13%) - (1 BE)
SE B, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 94 dmg (21_18%) - (1 BE)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, A+BA = 100 dmg (35_29%)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, 66A+B = 86 dmg (38_32%)
SEB, 66(B)~A+B = 86 dmg (30_25%)
SEB, 3(B)~BBB, 2B = 82 dmg (23_19%)
SEB, 66B, 66B+K = 80 dmg (39_33%)
CH:
1K, A+BA = 56 dmg (12_10%)
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2_8B+K, 3(B)~BBB = 64 dmg (20_17%)
2_8B+K, 3(B)~Bb(BE) = 81 dmg (16_12%) - (1 BE)
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Prep~K, 66B+K = 43 dmg (20_17%)
Prep~K, 66A+B = 40 dmg (18_15%)
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22K, 3(B)~BBB = 63 dmg (17_14%)
22K, 66, A+BA = 56dmg (17_14%)
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33B, 33B = 55 dmg (10_8%)
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2_8B+K, 3(B)~BBB = 64 dmg (20_17%)
2_8B+K, 3(B)~Bb(BE) = 81 dmg (16_12%) - (1 BE)
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Prep~K, 66B+K = 43 dmg (20_17%)
Prep~K, 66A+B = 40 dmg (18_15%)
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22K, 3(B)~BBB = 63 dmg (17_14%)
22K, 66, A+BA = 56dmg (17_14%)
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33B, 33B = 55 dmg (10_8%)
Meter given on hit = Meter % (1 BE = 60)
25 = 21%
4A+B B
18 = 15%44A+B
17 = 14%66B+K
15 = 12.5%44B
66A+B
13 = 11%236B
66A+G
12 = 10%A+BA
11 = 9%SEB
66B
1B
4B
A+G
10 = 8%BBB
FC3B
22B
BT B+K
B+G
8 = 7%6B+K
44K
33KB
Prep~A+B
7 = 6%44aB
8A+B
6 = 5%4A
6BBB
3B
6K
5 = 4%AA
AB
6AB
22A
33B
4 = 3%Prep~BB
6BB
SEA
2 = 2% 3A
2A
8A
2K
K
Meter Given = Meter Percent
9 = 8%
33k(BE)
11 = 9%
6Bb(BE)/Prep~Bb(BE)
13 = 11%
CE
Meter efficiency (or gaining less meter and spending meter are two sides of the same coin). A small chart using the opportunity cost of using meter vs damage options.
Move:
Base option. Damage, Meter and Ratio.
Alternatives. Damage, Mater and Ratio.
Alternatives. Damage, Mater and Ratio.
75 dmg, 120 meter. Approx (120/75) = 1.6 meter spent per 1 damage point.
2B -> 76 dmg, 60 meter. Approx (60/76) = 0.7 meter spent per damage point.
CE -> [113 - 76] = + 37 dmg, [(-60 ) -6] = -62 meter. Approx X meter spent for +37 damage. (-X/37) = 2.2 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
IN PROGRESS...
CE -> [113 - 76] = + 37 dmg, [(-60 ) -6] = -62 meter. Approx X meter spent for +37 damage. (-X/37) = 2.2 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
IN PROGRESS...
B -> 39 dmg, 6 meter. Approx (6/39) = 0.2 meter gained per damage point.
BE -> [67 - 39] = + 28 dmg, [(-60 + 4) -6] = -62 meter. Approx 62 meter spent for +28 damage. (-62/28) = 2.2 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
BE -> [67 - 39] = + 28 dmg, [(-60 + 4) -6] = -62 meter. Approx 62 meter spent for +28 damage. (-62/28) = 2.2 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
B -> 36 dmg, 6 meter. Approx (6/36) = 0.2 meter gained per damage point.
BE -> [67 - 36] = + 31 dmg, [(-60 + 4) -6] = -62 meter. Approx 62 meter spent for +31 damage. (-62/31) = 2.0 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
BE -> [67 - 36] = + 31 dmg, [(-60 + 4) -6] = -62 meter. Approx 62 meter spent for +31 damage. (-62/31) = 2.0 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
66B+K -> 48 dmg, 28 meter. Approx (28/48) = 0.6 meter gained per damage point.
Prep~A+B -> [56 - 48] = + 8 dmg, [19 -28] = -9 meter. Approx 9 meter spent for +8 damage. (-9/8) = 1.1 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
Technically in this case the choice cannot be decided after a hitconfirm.
Prep~A+B -> [56 - 48] = + 8 dmg, [19 -28] = -9 meter. Approx 9 meter spent for +8 damage. (-9/8) = 1.1 meter spent per additional 1 damage point.
Technically in this case the choice cannot be decided after a hitconfirm.
Prep~BBB, A+BA -> 70 dmg, 29 meter. Approx (29/70) = 0.4 meter gained per damage point.
Bb(BE) -> [64 - 70] = - 6 dmg, [(-60 + 13) -29] = -76 meter. Approx 75 meter spent for -6 damage. (-75/-6) = 12.5 meter spent per additional -1 damage point.
Prep BBB CE -> [88 - 70] = + 18 dmg, [(-120 +17) - 29] = -132 meter. Approx 132 meter spent for +18 damage. (-132/18) = 7.3 meter spent per additional damage point.
For those who do not trust A+BA:
4(B):
Bb(BE) -> [64 - 70] = - 6 dmg, [(-60 + 13) -29] = -76 meter. Approx 75 meter spent for -6 damage. (-75/-6) = 12.5 meter spent per additional -1 damage point.
Prep BBB CE -> [88 - 70] = + 18 dmg, [(-120 +17) - 29] = -132 meter. Approx 132 meter spent for +18 damage. (-132/18) = 7.3 meter spent per additional damage point.
For those who do not trust A+BA:
4(B):
Prep~BBB, 2B-> 55 dmg, 22 meter. Approx (22/58) = 0.4 meter gained per damage point.
Bb(BE) -> [64 - 55] = +9 dmg, [(-60 + 13) -22] = -69 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for + 9 damage. (-69/9) = 7.7 meter spent per additional damage point.
Prep BBB CE -> [88 - 55] = + 33 dmg, [(-120 +17) - 22] = -125 meter. Approx 125 meter spent for +33 damage. (-125/33) = 3.8 meter spent per additional damage point.
Bb(BE) -> [64 - 55] = +9 dmg, [(-60 + 13) -22] = -69 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for + 9 damage. (-69/9) = 7.7 meter spent per additional damage point.
Prep BBB CE -> [88 - 55] = + 33 dmg, [(-120 +17) - 22] = -125 meter. Approx 125 meter spent for +33 damage. (-125/33) = 3.8 meter spent per additional damage point.
4B followup gives the most meter and damage.
Prep~BBB, A+BA-> 100 dmg, 35 meter. Approx (35/100) = 0.4 meter gained per damage point.
3(B)~Bb(BE) -> [94 - 100] = -6 dmg, [(-60 + 21) -35] = -74 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for -6 damage. (-69/-6) = 11.5 meter spent per additional -1 damage point.
33k(BE), 2B -> [101 - 100] = +1 dmg, [(-60 + 16) -35] = -79 meter. Approx 79 meter spent for + 1 damage. (-79/1) = 79 meter spent per additional damage point.
Prep~BBB, CE -> [115 - 100] = + 15 dmg, [(-120 +23) - 35] = -132 meter. Approx 132 meter spent for +15 damage. (-132/15) = 8.8 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), CE -> [122 - 100] = + 22 dmg, [(-120 +11) - 35] = -204 meter. Approx 204 meter spent for +33 damage. (-204/22) = 9.2 meter spent per additional damage point.
For those who do not trust A+BA:
SEB:
3(B)~Bb(BE) -> [94 - 100] = -6 dmg, [(-60 + 21) -35] = -74 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for -6 damage. (-69/-6) = 11.5 meter spent per additional -1 damage point.
33k(BE), 2B -> [101 - 100] = +1 dmg, [(-60 + 16) -35] = -79 meter. Approx 79 meter spent for + 1 damage. (-79/1) = 79 meter spent per additional damage point.
Prep~BBB, CE -> [115 - 100] = + 15 dmg, [(-120 +23) - 35] = -132 meter. Approx 132 meter spent for +15 damage. (-132/15) = 8.8 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), CE -> [122 - 100] = + 22 dmg, [(-120 +11) - 35] = -204 meter. Approx 204 meter spent for +33 damage. (-204/22) = 9.2 meter spent per additional damage point.
For those who do not trust A+BA:
SEB:
66(B)~A+B-> 86 dmg, 30 meter. Approx (30/86) = 0.3 meter gained per damage point.
3Bb(BE) -> [94 - 86] = +8 dmg, [(-60 + 21) -30] = -69 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for + 8 damage. (-69/8) = 8.6 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), 2B -> [101 - 86] = +15 dmg, [(-60 + 16) -30] = -74 meter. Approx 74 meter spent for + 15 damage. (-74/15) = 4.9 meter spent per additional damage point.
3(B)~BBB, CE -> [115 - 86] = + 29 dmg, [(-120 +23) - 30] = -127 meter. Approx 127 meter spent for +29 damage. (-127/29) = 4.4 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), CE -> [122 - 86] = + 36 dmg, [(-180 +11) - 30] = -199 meter. Approx 199 meter spent for +36 damage. (-199/36) = 5.5 meter spent per additional damage point.
3Bb(BE) -> [94 - 86] = +8 dmg, [(-60 + 21) -30] = -69 meter. Approx 69 meter spent for + 8 damage. (-69/8) = 8.6 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), 2B -> [101 - 86] = +15 dmg, [(-60 + 16) -30] = -74 meter. Approx 74 meter spent for + 15 damage. (-74/15) = 4.9 meter spent per additional damage point.
3(B)~BBB, CE -> [115 - 86] = + 29 dmg, [(-120 +23) - 30] = -127 meter. Approx 127 meter spent for +29 damage. (-127/29) = 4.4 meter spent per additional damage point.
33k(BE), CE -> [122 - 86] = + 36 dmg, [(-180 +11) - 30] = -199 meter. Approx 199 meter spent for +36 damage. (-199/36) = 5.5 meter spent per additional damage point.
To do:
Update combos
Finish movelist
Block/Whiff/Meter given data
If anyone has similar data, or finds mine to be erroneous, or likes training mode please contibute!
