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Gatsu
[14] Master
8wayrun into friendzone
The flawed concept of "Love".
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TsunamiBye
[14] Master
The only thing I get from Moneymuffins is we're prone to be negative. He's right, but that doesn't mean we should abandon any hope of ever being happy and let science guide us. If he were to say this to some average girl(I'm guessing he won't), she'd call him a snobbish jerk.
I mean, imprinting is a proven fact that humans are stupid. If someone says you're stupid for not knowing 2+2=4, then you ought to relieve that problem by learning from someone else. Science ain't gonna help unless you learn from someone else. Why else teachers, parents, and adults of that nature are there to correct our flaws lest we become even more foolish? I bet you a million bucks he had to learn something from someone lest he'd be stupid.
Stupidity is what makes an athlete, a scholar, and practically anything else smarter. You mess up, but you learn what mistakes you can improve. If he lists all the problems with no sound solution and he isn't willing to educate an average schmoe to understand, he ain't getting no one to listen altogether. Like bashing a stupid person with knowledge is gonna help. You have to take on the "teacher" role and teach it from the ground up until they get it.
Being stupid is like a having a cold. It's temporary for whatever moment, but can only be relieved once you take care of it. No one in this world can cure stupidity like a cold. If we could, then Moneymuffins ought to rise from his seat and go make his ideals happen. In my eyes, he's an intelligent fool who lacks common sense.
He ain't gonna be no Albert Einstein. Because even he shared this:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Also other quotes:
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
"Sure the people are stupid: the human race is stupid. Sure Congress is an inefficient instrument of government. But the people are not stupid enough to abandon representative government for any other kind, including government by the guy who knows."
-Bernard Devoto
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell
I could go on and on, but what we'll always get from people like Moneymuffins, is more logical science crap and no common sense. I'm sure you could find some celebrities that became millionaires for working hard to make their mark on the world. The best part is some of them inspired us because a few had no college degree. It's either put up or shut up.
The nerve of some intelligent fools who haven't experienced love and rely on logic stuff and people's failures. Like that is gonna help you score even a chick in bed. It's no rocket science that love makes us do stupid things, yet we're happy to raise a child with a wife to keep the human race going.
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CaptainHook
[10] Knight
I never wholeheartedly disagreed with him per se, it was the manner in which he said it. No one living on planet earth believes humanity, and life itself, is without problems.
But like you said, he doesn't offer any solutions, just stating the issues. And here's why I can relate to him:
I used to think like him. I used to be a complete pessimist and wondered why we even exist at all. He then goes on to claim that we try to justify our existence with our pleasures. This is where I disagree. I'm sort of a hedonist in a way. If things in life give you pleasure, joy, satisfaction, whether it be an accomplishment out of struggle, a cigarette, an orgasm, a cupcake, or marijuana, it doesn't matter. The sheer fact that things give us pleasure make life worth living and makes the whole process WORTH repeating.
In other words, been there, done that. I've been at the mountain top ready to jump off, I've been in the bar drinking 13 beers and crying to myself.
What I realized is that even though life is pretty much superficial and pointless to a large degree, there is still SOME good in it, or at least there are parts in it that outweigh what is bad.
He's probably had some major existential epiphany where he must come to grips with the meaning of his own life, but can't find it, so he's using his negative emotions to cloud his judgement over what is a completely neutral thing: life.
Life is what we make of it. It's up to US to make it good and worth doing. It's our responsibility.
But like you said, he doesn't offer any solutions, just stating the issues. And here's why I can relate to him:
I used to think like him. I used to be a complete pessimist and wondered why we even exist at all. He then goes on to claim that we try to justify our existence with our pleasures. This is where I disagree. I'm sort of a hedonist in a way. If things in life give you pleasure, joy, satisfaction, whether it be an accomplishment out of struggle, a cigarette, an orgasm, a cupcake, or marijuana, it doesn't matter. The sheer fact that things give us pleasure make life worth living and makes the whole process WORTH repeating.
In other words, been there, done that. I've been at the mountain top ready to jump off, I've been in the bar drinking 13 beers and crying to myself.
What I realized is that even though life is pretty much superficial and pointless to a large degree, there is still SOME good in it, or at least there are parts in it that outweigh what is bad.
He's probably had some major existential epiphany where he must come to grips with the meaning of his own life, but can't find it, so he's using his negative emotions to cloud his judgement over what is a completely neutral thing: life.
Life is what we make of it. It's up to US to make it good and worth doing. It's our responsibility.
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Mitalius
BoW To MeH
You're wrong about the "game of life". Life is not a stupid game, it's a concept that some of us have yet to understand, especially at a younger age, not to mention teens in relationships. Selfless love is existent. You just assume there isn't based on a particular group of human interaction that happens to know nothing about it, because knowing you're an absolute pessimist, that's the only place you look at. I'm a true believer in selfless love, what I suggested in this thread was merely how I felt other people saw love. You on the other hand jump the gun and assume it's not real because of how you see "fake selfless love".
I can tell you're a pessimist. Instead of assuming life is so bad because people know naught about the real concept of it, you should ask yourself if another group of people understand it. You look at more of the bad parts of life than the good parts.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
MAY SCIENCE HAVE MERCY ON YOUR BRAIN.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
I ADDRESSED YOU STATING THIS SAME POINT IN MY THREAD AND I DID NOT SEE YOUR RESPONSE. YOU BLATANTLY CONTRADICTED YOURSELF AND YET YOU STILL CONTINUE TO SAY THE SAME THING.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
I THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING ME OVER THE YEARS ON THE FORUMS ARE JUST CONFUSED. THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEING ME POST FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, SUCH AS CAPTAIN HOOK, AND THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY QUICK TO MAKE JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PERSON I MUST BE LIKE. THE FUCKING LIAR EVEN IGNORED ME WITHOUT EVEN ADDRESSING MY COUNTER-ARGUMENTS TO HIS POINTS. HE CHOOSES TO LIVE IN HIS BUBBLE AND THEN JUMPS TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHO I AM AS IF HE'S SOME ALL-KNOWING GOD JUST BECAUSE HE'S OLDER THAN ME AND IS A FATHER. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUSLY IGNORANT AND ARROGANT AND OFFENSIVE AND I HOPE SOMEBODY TELLS HIM HE SUFFERS FROM THE DUNNING-KRUGER EFFECT.
ANY DAMN WAY, I HAVE ALWAYS VALUED THE TRUTH ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, AND I WILL TELL IT AS BEST I CAN WHEN I SEE FIT. I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY IT HAS NO BEARING ON MY OWN SELF-ESTEEM AND HOW I FEEL ABOUT MYSELF. BUT FOR SOME REASON, EVERYONE THINKS THAT JUST BECAUSE MY EXTERNAL VIEW ON REALITY IS NEGATIVE THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS I FEEL NEGATIVE INTERNALLY OR ABOUT MYSELF TOO, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT, BUT WHATEVER, STUPID GONNA STUPID.
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The Landslide
[13] Hero
The one thing I always liked about you was your consistency and straightforwardness, so I wasn't trying to attack you. But yeah it's a bit surprising to see you switch from hilarity to this mindset in, what appeared to me at least, a very short time. That said, you're making some good points that I don't agree with 100 percent but can't fully refute. I'll say it has led me to do my own reading.
Sett
[14] Master
Just because something is done for yourself doesn't make it selfish, just because something is deemed selfish doesn't make it wrong. There is no such thing as right and wrong, only perspective. A week ago Davina McCall ran, biked and swum 500 miles from Edinburgh to London. The selfish reasons? Fame? Personal challenge? unselfish reason? 760k raised for women and children in Africa.
So you have to say.
The thing it keeps coming back to is BALANCE. Fucking love that word. BALANCE.
Two people love each other for selfish reasons? Maybe some do, or more rather its a mutual benefit of each others company. Oh there it is again. BALANCE.
Here, have an extract from legendary Solid Snake.
Code:
Snake: I'm going to save Meryl no matter what it takes.
Naomi: ..............
Snake: What's wrong. Naomi?
Naomi: Nothing.... I'm just surprised you're willing to sacrifice yourself. You've got the genes of a soldier, not a saviour
Snake: You trying to say I'm only interested in saving my own skin?
Naomi: I wouldn't go that far but....
Snake: I don't know what the hell my genes look like and I don't care. I operate on instinct.
Namoi: Like an animal?
Snake: I'm going to save Meryl. I don't need an excuse.
Naomi: Okay...
Snake: And I'm not doing it for someone else either. I'm going to save Meryl for myself. Colonel. Don't Worry!
Ishimaru Jinrai
[12] Conqueror
LOVE IS JUST AN EMOTION MEANT TO INDUCE HAPPINESS. AND HAPPINESS IS A DELUSION DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU PLAYING THE "GAME OF LIFE". SO IN ESSENCE, YOU SHOULD'NT LOVE, FOR WE ALL DIE EVENTUALLY AND THE LOVE WILL TURN TO SORROW! PEOPLE FIGHT AND DIE IN THE NAME OF LOVE, IT'S MEANING IS SELF INDULGING, AND ONLY LEADS TO JEALOUSY! [OBLIGATORY SWEAR WORDS AND INSULT]
And by the way... I'm TOTALLY not being negative! >:]
Sett
[14] Master
BlackDragon37
[12] Conqueror
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Mitalius
BoW To MeH
I know it's a bit late for this. but it just now occurred to me that people just flat up don't give that much of a shit about their relationships, only lust. Now it all makes sense.
orangeislands31
[13] Hero
Now this may be true about the majority but some people can actually be not so bad as well. Most people have no clue what is important it seems, so what you are observing is pretty normal. Its not just, but yeah most people are lustful greedy bastards. That's why you have to apply your better judgment in this case. In my opinion trial and error has a lot to do with finding a good spouse just like most other life experiences.
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Marginal
Chikara Sashimi
Oh boy. You can't really understand love without having been there and done that.
No amount of college, study or observation can replace experience in this case. When you see a couple swearing at each other, screaming at the top of their lungs, threatening to kill one another, take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that this is actually quite normal for most people.
When people are emotional they often say things they don't really mean. When a relationship has reached the point where both people openly scream at one another, this isn't necessarily failure, but could be evolution. It simply means they have gotten past the honeymoon phase, where things are no longer based on roses and chocolate and more based on real, day to day things.
Most young people bounce from partner to partner frivolously because they can't handle relationships once is goes past the honeymoon phase. Most of them don't really know what it means to "settle down". Or sometimes when the sex becomes slightly less exiting because you've had sex with them 100 times, they assume "things just didn't work out".
Also, there is a damn good reason why long-term married couples don't have sex as often as they used to. Do you have any idea how boring it would get after having daily sex for months, years even? They space it out as to not get bored.
Now, if all of this sounds unbearable, then perhaps marriage is not for you. The "love" that Hollywood tries to portray is pure 100% BULLSHIT.
When I see a couple fighting, I just walk away. I don't judge them for it, nor do I draw any conclusions from it. Know why? Cas' I've been married for 15 years and have a 16 year old son that's why :)
No amount of college, study or observation can replace experience in this case. When you see a couple swearing at each other, screaming at the top of their lungs, threatening to kill one another, take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that this is actually quite normal for most people.
When people are emotional they often say things they don't really mean. When a relationship has reached the point where both people openly scream at one another, this isn't necessarily failure, but could be evolution. It simply means they have gotten past the honeymoon phase, where things are no longer based on roses and chocolate and more based on real, day to day things.
Most young people bounce from partner to partner frivolously because they can't handle relationships once is goes past the honeymoon phase. Most of them don't really know what it means to "settle down". Or sometimes when the sex becomes slightly less exiting because you've had sex with them 100 times, they assume "things just didn't work out".
Also, there is a damn good reason why long-term married couples don't have sex as often as they used to. Do you have any idea how boring it would get after having daily sex for months, years even? They space it out as to not get bored.
Now, if all of this sounds unbearable, then perhaps marriage is not for you. The "love" that Hollywood tries to portray is pure 100% BULLSHIT.
When I see a couple fighting, I just walk away. I don't judge them for it, nor do I draw any conclusions from it. Know why? Cas' I've been married for 15 years and have a 16 year old son that's why :)
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Love is commitment. It's putting up with the rain and sunshine. Granted I never been in a relationship with any lady, but I know what to look for in one. Courtesy of God providing me 2 amazing parents....however some people don't have that. To which I pity them because I personally wish to see him/her happy. I also know God would want them happy too.
The only thing I can recommend is just loving God through the good and bad times. The most beautiful thing about God, is when one invests all that he or she is hoping for a change, he or she is likely to change as long as they have faith as small as a mustard seed.
I can't tell anyone in simple words how he makes me love all kinds of people more. Heck even put up with bitter people who genuinely want to feel loved. Especially ones who just question God for all that he is.
We can have the best lady, the best job, and all kinds of things, yet we're empty once we really have it or not. Thus, anyone can plug up their ears and deny that they are actually living life. However once it's all said and done, where will we go once the dust settles?
That's a question all will have to think about once they enjoyed life yet underneath they're empty. Or enjoyed life as God guided them home.
The only thing I can recommend is just loving God through the good and bad times. The most beautiful thing about God, is when one invests all that he or she is hoping for a change, he or she is likely to change as long as they have faith as small as a mustard seed.
I can't tell anyone in simple words how he makes me love all kinds of people more. Heck even put up with bitter people who genuinely want to feel loved. Especially ones who just question God for all that he is.
We can have the best lady, the best job, and all kinds of things, yet we're empty once we really have it or not. Thus, anyone can plug up their ears and deny that they are actually living life. However once it's all said and done, where will we go once the dust settles?
That's a question all will have to think about once they enjoyed life yet underneath they're empty. Or enjoyed life as God guided them home.
Alex.J
[14] Master
Seriously man, plz be in an relationship before giving advice or saying like it is. You know your are my homie, but damn lol. When you talk about this subject, you sound like a food critic writing long reviews on food you've never eaten. It's something you have to experience and no book or people watching will ever prepare you for it.
Way to make marriage sound terrible Marginal.
Soul
Valide Kösem Sultan
"Love" is the feeling you'll get when Sc6 finally gets announced.
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Marginal
Chikara Sashimi
I never wholeheartedly disagreed with him per se, it was the manner in which he said it. No one living on planet earth believes humanity, and life itself, is without problems.
But like you said, he doesn't offer any solutions, just stating the issues. And here's why I can relate to him:
I used to think like him. I used to be a complete pessimist and wondered why we even exist at all. He then goes on to claim that we try to justify our existence with our pleasures. This is where I disagree. I'm sort of a hedonist in a way. If things in life give you pleasure, joy, satisfaction, whether it be an accomplishment out of struggle, a cigarette, an orgasm, a cupcake, or marijuana, it doesn't matter. The sheer fact that things give us pleasure make life worth living and makes the whole process WORTH repeating.
In other words, been there, done that. I've been at the mountain top ready to jump off, I've been in the bar drinking 13 beers and crying to myself.
What I realized is that even though life is pretty much superficial and pointless to a large degree, there is still SOME good in it, or at least there are parts in it that outweigh what is bad.
He's probably had some major existential epiphany where he must come to grips with the meaning of his own life, but can't find it, so he's using his negative emotions to cloud his judgement over what is a completely neutral thing: life.
Life is what we make of it. It's up to US to make it good and worth doing. It's our responsibility.
But like you said, he doesn't offer any solutions, just stating the issues. And here's why I can relate to him:
I used to think like him. I used to be a complete pessimist and wondered why we even exist at all. He then goes on to claim that we try to justify our existence with our pleasures. This is where I disagree. I'm sort of a hedonist in a way. If things in life give you pleasure, joy, satisfaction, whether it be an accomplishment out of struggle, a cigarette, an orgasm, a cupcake, or marijuana, it doesn't matter. The sheer fact that things give us pleasure make life worth living and makes the whole process WORTH repeating.
In other words, been there, done that. I've been at the mountain top ready to jump off, I've been in the bar drinking 13 beers and crying to myself.
What I realized is that even though life is pretty much superficial and pointless to a large degree, there is still SOME good in it, or at least there are parts in it that outweigh what is bad.
He's probably had some major existential epiphany where he must come to grips with the meaning of his own life, but can't find it, so he's using his negative emotions to cloud his judgement over what is a completely neutral thing: life.
Life is what we make of it. It's up to US to make it good and worth doing. It's our responsibility.
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Party Wolf
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