Your Arcade stick: Wired or Wireless

Discussion in 'Soulcalibur IV (Multi)' started by seneca_22, Mar 2, 2009.

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  1. seneca_22

    seneca_22 [09] Warrior

    Just curious about the stick users here and if they still go wired, or if they go wireless. I now have a wired and wireless stick for my PS3. The wired one works great, have had no problems with it really. The wireless was working great, until the couple times it freaked out. One time it just stopped working for about 2 seconds. Another time it got stuck in the down position for a couple seconds. I tell my opponent, "oh no, it's stuck down" and he's like "really?" and proceeds to combo loop me to death with Hilde.

    Anyway, I've been the only one to have bad luck with our free guy down here. He'll mod or hook up anything for free for us, as long as you have the parts.

    If you have a wireless stick, have you had any problems with it?

    Maybe it's the case I'm using, who knows. It's the old Hori SC2 cube case.
  2. DrakeAldan
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    Generally-

    wired is going to be more reliable than wireless, considering the technology we currently have isn't totally sound.

    When my router can work properly 100% of the time 365 then maybe I'll consider wireless... but until then, just to be safe, everything should be wired...
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    Jaxel Administrator

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    Seneca... is your wireless stick for the PS3? The PS3 controllers USED TO (read: about 2 years ago) have problems with losing the BluTooth sync and then it holding the direction for about 2 seconds before the sync was re-established. They fixed this problem a LONG time ago with some firmware upgrades for the PS3 console. If its the PS3, then you need to update your firmware.
  3. seneca_22

    seneca_22 [09] Warrior

    How long ago was this? I think I upgraded back in December or November. I haven't bought any games that needed me to update since then. No internet, but I think we're finally going to get it this month, woo hoo!
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    IgnisPhaseOne Premium Member

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say wired; just because if you ever want to dual mod, or if you don't like worrying about sync/batteries/nonsense (syncing your 360 controller to a different 360, extra trouble for a 360 pad, where do you put batteries in your custom, charge it through a tiny USB port on a giant stick etc etc etc)...

    You get the idea.
  4. Ragnar

    Ragnar [08] Mercenary

    I recently picked up a Hori Real Arcade Pro EX for my 360. It's wired. I made the decision to go for a stick because I got tired of the 360 controller and there really isn't a better pad based solution. Fighting games are made for a stick!

    I didn't know where else to ask, but since this thread is top paged, I'll ask here. How do you folks have your buttons setup on your stick? Do you guys use bindings on a 6 or 8 button stick, or just use two button presses (like A+B, for example)? I'm used to bindings for things such as that and I'm not sure how long it'll take me to get used to pressing two buttons.

    I know that in the end, I should pick a setup that is comfortable for me, but any tips on setting the buttons up on this stick would be much appreciated!
  5. seneca_22

    seneca_22 [09] Warrior

    A B K
    G

    For Soul Cal

    LP MP SP
    LK MK SK

    For SF

    The stick negates the use of bindings because now you can press A+K and B+G and LP+MP+SP.


    Now this isn't a preference thread, Do you have a wired or wireless stick? If you have wireless, have you had any problems?
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    Button Setups:
    I don't think bindings are banned, but it's really unnecessary. With access to all buttons easily at all times, and in all combinations, it's really not a big deal w/o bindings. My exception might be Boxer, but that's cause I haven't practiced TAP combos yet.

    All my sticks are wired. I was considering building a custom wireless stick, but it doesn't seem worth the troubles it would bring. Right now my custom is staying wired.
  6. Ragnar

    Ragnar [08] Mercenary

    Thanks man. I wouldn't have even considered that setup.

    Regardless, I've had no issues with my wired stick. I prefer wired, as I hate losing a match because my batteries die (it's happened on several occasions). Sure you could just change your batteries before any competitive match, but that still doesn't resolve all issues. Anything wireless is susceptible to outside interference from other wireless devices. They're literally designed that way.

    As far as performance goes, wireless is meant for convenience only. If you want total reliability, wired all the way.
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    Ragnar, you ever played SC2/3 in an arcade? that's pretty much the standard layout for it.

    Depending on what game you come from, I'd suggest learning how to play like this, for no reason other than that's what we've all done here;
    3D -- Thumb on G, three fingers on all the rest of the buttons.
    2D -- No fingers on buttons in general, learn to tap them when necessary.

    Reason is that timing for 2D is generally way more strict, and there's not a button you should be paying a lot of attention to (guard in 3D games). Timing/linking seem more important in 2D, and timing with actual dedicated button presses is a lot nicer than mushy fingers already on the buttons. That's the mistake I made when learning SF4 and BlazBlue; kept my hands on the goddamned buttons while trying to learn all my combos and stuff, fucking nightmare. Started pulling my right hand off the buttons, makes a world of difference.
  7. DrakeAldan
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    On the other hand, I believe the G button on an SC machine is spaced differently? A little bit farther than regular stick setups (in which you'd have to move your thumb inward a little... I think that might get uncomfortable holding that tension).

    On a 8-button setup I'm seriously considering just doing it SNK style. But, I've never heard of anyone doing that, even though it would fit, I'd think...

    Just speculation though, feel free to correct me.
  8. Ragnar

    Ragnar [08] Mercenary

    No, I never played it in the arcade. I've never seen an arcade machine for Soul Calibur anywhere in my area :(.

    SCIV was the first one I've taken seriously. I played 2 and 3 on the PS2, but didn't have any offline competition to play with, so they were only rentals. After college, I made friends with some real fighting game fans, and they've played Soul Calibur since it was Soul Edge. Having decent offline competition has turned fighting games my favourite genre.

    I've invested hundreds of hours learning SCIV on the PS3 pad, but since I have a 360, I bought the stick. Gonna be tough retuning my muscle memory for the stick... but with that setup, it shouldn't take all too long!

    Sorry for the derail, OP.
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    Meh, the actual position of the button is negligible IMO. It's similar, a few millimeter shift didn't mess me up at all. Depending on how the panel/cabinet was repurposed (square American layout repurposed for SC, angled, SF board, big screen with branching panel vs. an actual cab, new low cabs for SF4/BlazBlue, etc...) you're going to have a ton of different layouts, even in the arcade.


    Not gonna lie, for some reason, everyone I encourage to use a stick after they've used a pad...everyone comes over to the stick side for life. Players who are really good on pad adjust almost instantly to doing basic moves, and there's seriously like a 3-5 minute turnaround from the bitching, to the gruding silence. After like 15 minutes, they're like "thanks for letting me use a stick! Now I'm going to get one..."

    Also, back on topic, wired is cheaper than wireless. Which, is a simple and straightforward plus.
  9. seneca_22

    seneca_22 [09] Warrior

    Thanks for the input, I'm going to stick with wired and just get an extension chord for my stick. Wired is the way to go for now.
  10. franman

    franman [12] Conqueror

    Sorry to go off topic, but since you live near Toronto do you know Toronto has a website: http://www.soulcalibur.ca/forums/index.php. Though this site mostly consists of Toronto players there's also sections for players across Canada. Toronto is a highly competitive community and a strong one too, perhaps you can bring your friends there.
  11. godspu

    godspu [09] Warrior

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    as far as my experience goes, there are only 2 issues running wireless:

    1 being dead batteries of course (which is easily avoided by tracking your current battery level in the menu and always replacing with freshly charged batteries before any instance where a shutdown is a big deal) or you could just plug it in when you're worried about charge level ;P

    2 being interference (if you're playing somewhere with a shitload of wireless devices running, you may experience problems, but this is highly unlikely unless maybe you're in a tournament venue with tons of others running wireless, which is going to be rare as everyone seems to fear using wireless.

    third would be lag, but that has been disproved by toodles' extensive wired vs wireless lag tests posted on srk- there is (for all practical purposes) no lag, and in some cases he even found it communicating slightly faster than wired iirc.
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    And that should end the debate right there.

    Yay godspu! Think you could find that SRK link about wireless lag, just for reference?

    And Toodles is my god damned hero. Instrutables/Cthulhu FTW!
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    Jaxel Administrator

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    Interference? LOL... not unless you're using some REALLY SHITTY wireless systems. The PS3 uses Blutooth, which had the whole interference problem solved years ago. BluTooth uses specific channels on a standard frequency; and each controller gets its own channel. The only way you would really get interference is if someone PURPOSELY tried to interfere with your signal.
  12. godspu

    godspu [09] Warrior

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    you know how many devices operate on the 2.4 GHz band? shitloads. interference is possible- do some research- but like i said, HIGHLY UNLIKELY
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