Trouble Sleeping Thread

franman said:
A possibility to cure sleep apnea is to lose weight by doing regular exercise perhaps it may cut the cloginess that blocks air flow through the passages. But there are ppl who got sleep apnea by heritiage.
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For the exercise part, learn to play the didgeridoo. It apparently works all the right muscles.

On the sleep thing in general:

Don't bother with sleep drugs. They're all habit forming, and they decrease the quality of the sleep you do get.

Don't exercise a few hours before bed. Don't eat before going to bed, and if you're not falling asleep, go do something else until you're ready to fall asleep. Stressing about not falling asleep makes it harder to do so.

Also it may be worth going to a sleep clinic. Have them monitor your sleep. Most sleep "problems" are perceptual. If they don't find any abnormalities with your sleep, odds are your sleep problems will vanish with the clean bill of health they give you.
 
Melatonin also worked for me when I was younger, but the effects can be different for everybody.
 
LostProvidence said:
Oh, my god. How old are you? That sounds EXACTLY how it used to be for me when I was in high school (down to the lying on your stomach and your heart seeming to race more).

After it progressed to the point where I just wanted to cry because I couldn't sleep, I completely cut carbonated drinks out of my diet. I probably drink one like everyone 2 months or so now. I got really bad headaches for a while after I stopped but that may be why I can sleep a bit better now.

The working out in the morning thing may or may not help you. It used to help me but...I dunno what happened.

I also noticed that I sleep rather easily and heavily if I sleep with someone else (the only problem is that I'm a pretty wild sleeper so I tend to wake the other person and myself up a lot).

I think I know exactly what you're going through, though. I fuckin' hated when I'd lie down for hours and not fall asleep, only to have to get up and feel like a zombie.

Seriously, though, try the melatonin (or you can get a prescription for Ambien, but, like I said, that stopped working after a while for me. Still, the trippiness was fun!). It may take a couple of days for it to really start working, but I think that's why, for the most part now, I can get tired and go to sleep at night. Also, of course, once you get a sleep rhythm going, try to stick to it. I have a lot of energy and, like you said, my mind's always racing, so I tend to like to be doing stuff, but, if you feel yourself get tired at night, lie down and try to go to sleep. If you're the same way, if you wait, you honestly won't be able to get to sleep.
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I'm 16. I recently stopped drinking cokes for like...two-three weeks because I'd been having this amazing drink from Whole Foods. I feel like it might be my body reacting to the extra caffeine it didn't get for two weeks. This only started a couple days ago, and I used to be able to be on the computer or play video games until I felt like I needed to sleep. What may be the source of my problem is, when I go on my video game binges, I used to play nonstop but now I find myself sitting there, looking at the menus or something. I guess I'll try to actually PLAY video games tomorrow and see if I can fall asleep when I feel like it. At this point I think that's the only thing keeping me awake, because the little energy and brain power I use on that must tire me out enough to actually sleep. Hoping to fall asleep like a regular person after I leave for vacation Wednesday morning, since I have to wake up at 6 am. I'll be sure to play something that makes me lethargic and tired before I go to sleep. Uncharted possibly? I don't know. I'll probably be forcing myself to play ME3 Extended Cut tomorrow. Anyways, thanks for the help and I hope this is only temporary. Here's something nice to leave you with tonight.

 
Marginal said:
Don't bother with sleep drugs. They're all habit forming, and they decrease the quality of the sleep you do get.
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That's not true in the slightest.

I also have no clue what you mean by sleep problems being perceptual...but that's a whole different thing.
 
Depending on how much caffeine you consumed you might have been suffering from caffeine poisoning. (Unlikely just by drinking cokes since you'd have to chug a ton of cola to manage that since a Coke has 46mg of caffeine in it.) Could understand it if you drank a few cans of that Yerba Mate shit though. 300mg's of caffeine per can in that.

Stress, allergies etc can all cause similar problems sleeping though.
 
LostProvidence said:
That's not true in the slightest.
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Really? There are psychological (people think they need the pills and keep taking them even when they don't) and physiological (many of the pills are known to be addictive) components to growing dependent on sleeping pills. The risk is there even if the marketing says "non habit forming."

Most doctors suggest that cognitive therapy (treating the underlying problems) is preferable to pills over the long term.

I also have no clue what you mean by sleep problems being perceptual...but that's a whole different thing.
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Recent studies have shown that a lot of people who think they're suffering from insomnia aren't in reality. As soon as they undergo a sleep study and the doctors tell them they're sleeping fine, their perceived insomnia vanishes.

That's not true for everyone of course. Which is why I suggested a sleep clinic as a possible option rather than saying you're imagining your problems or something along those lines.
 
Marginal said:
Really? There are psychological (people think they need the pills and keep taking them even when they don't) and physiological (many of the pills are known to be addictive) components to growing dependent on sleeping pills. The risk is there even if the marketing says "non habit forming."

Most doctors suggest that cognitive therapy (treating the underlying problems) is preferable to pills over the long term.


Recent studies have shown that a lot of people who think they're suffering from insomnia aren't in reality. As soon as they undergo a sleep study and the doctors tell them they're sleeping fine, their perceived insomnia vanishes.

That's not true for everyone of course. Which is why I suggested a sleep clinic as a possible option rather than saying you're imagining your problems or something along those lines.
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What are these studies you're citing? Most sleep medications have to be intentionally abused to even have a chance of becoming physiologically addictive. Psychological addictions are a completely different thing and irrelevant (to me) because you can become psychologically addicted to just about anything.

Also, lots of sleep medications or medications that effect sleep as a side effect as used to treat sleep along with therapy. Even in cases of things like depression or PTSD, sleeping aids are also prescribed.

I'm not trying to seem like an asshole or anything, but that seems like misinformation to me.
 
Marginal said:
Yes. The mayo clinic's known for spreading misinformation.
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I would go on to to ask you to actually, you know...cite one of those studies, but, whatever. This has gone on long enough and I don't really care. Regardless of the fact that I think you're completely wrong, anyone considering doing any type of medication should research it before putting it into their body.
 
LostProvidence said:
I would go on to to ask you to actually, you know...cite one of those studies, but, whatever. This has gone on long enough and I don't really care. Regardless of the fact that I think you're completely wrong, anyone considering doing any type of medication should research it before putting it into their body.
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I'm glad you have your strong feeling on the matter backed up by... Hmm.

Anyhoo...

http://www.sleepassociation.org/index.php?p=inadequatesleephygiene

Avoiding alcohol or drugs near bedtime will improve your quality of sleep. While these are often viewed as sedatives and it may be true that they will promote initially falling asleep, they often cause nighttime disturbances and awakenings, leading to poor quality sleep.
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Just for the sake of providing more info on what I'm talking about after a good night's sleep of my own...

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/curing-insomnia-without-the-pills/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/health/23drug.html?_r=2&oref=slogin
 
Marginal said:
I'm glad you have your strong feeling on the matter backed up by... Hmm.
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The burden of proof usually lies on he person who makes a claim. I can cite some sources but you couldjust as easily google just how adictive hypnotics (and not some other medication that causes sleepines as a side effect) is and I'm pretty sure any credible surce will restate what I've said. But...like I said, I'm done...you win...or whatever it is you want.
 
So I found the easiest way to fall asleep! I just watched Korra for five minutes at around 2 and I was asleep within five minutes of the episode. Yay for Asian-inspired music!
 
Sett said:
Make fun stories in your head.
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I try. It actually keeps me awake because I'm tempted to just imagine the ending to the A Song of Ice and Fire series since George R. R. Martin takes forever to write, and thinking about A Song of Ice and Fire will probably just keep me awake, because of all the incest and intrigue. And dying. And boobs.
 
Somehow, I had a feeling jerking off did help me sleep sometimes. I could be angry at the world one moment and get turned on by some females doing naughty things in porn, go fap(but be discreet as possible), and my frustration that morphed to sexual frustration soon clears and I am as calm as water.

Then I remember to clean up the mess I made and go to sleep. *holds up flame shield*
 
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