Tips for average players who wish to get better.

Mayuri_Taichou1

Mayuri_Taichou1

[08] Mercenary
Hello, I am a decent "average" SC5 player and was wondering if anyone had some tips that would help bring my game to the next level. I main Rugi, Xiba, and LeBello so character specific tips would be awesome too. I understand basic gameplay, and know a little bit about traps, reading, and frames. Any help will be appreciated seeing as I plan to train hard enough to get a lot better at the game. There is only so much you can learn on your own XD. Thanks in advance for any tips and or help I may receive.
 
Hello and welcome to 8 Way Run, fellow Yuno fan :P

I don't really use those characters, so I won't be the best for specific advice but try to get a good knowledge of the frame data and learn your individual match ups inside out, so you can get to a point where you can punish appropriately on reaction. e.g. I *think* Mitsu's 6B8 is i14 so it'll punish a lot but it's worth knowing when you can push for a 236B punisher (i16?) for more damage. But who needs punishers when you have 4B, eh? One thing that's often overlooked is spacing - if you have the time, I think this explains it pretty well amongst some other things.

Stalk your characters' Soul Arenas too as there's so much to be learned from them, and learn from videos of some of the best players using your character. And if someone beats you and you can't understand why, ask them for more fights. If they agree, try and work out what it is that they're doing and you're not. Any moves giving you trouble? Go to training and work out the best way to deal with them. It's not for everyone, but I find that watching my own replays where I lost are very useful because you'll view them in a detached way, meaning you can see your mistakes more easily and work out if you were making any faults that your opponent kept capitalising on.

Sorry for rambling a little, but I hope this helps a little :)
 
Thanks, with Rugi I've always tried using his stance too much.nim starting to realize that I try to use too many ploys and gimmics (because I also play Xiba) but that never seems to work out too well. And I'm starting to realize I try to play wwaaaaayy to combo heavy and don't use Rugi's pokes enough. And i and then a number is that the frames of the move?
 
Mayuri_Taichou1 said:
Thanks, with Rugi I've always tried using his stance too much.nim starting to realize that I try to use too many ploys and gimmics (because I also play Xiba) but that never seems to work out too well. And I'm starting to realize I try to play wwaaaaayy to combo heavy and don't use Rugi's pokes enough. And i and then a number is that the frames of the move?
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I can relate to this quite a lot - I used to main aPat/Setsuka and I thought "ooh, I can do this fancy looking move, I'll throw it out whenever I feel like it so I look cool and flashy" when in many situations, a simple AA may have been the best option. Against good players, you can't really throw out 3Bs randomly and hope they forget to block and you get some awesome combo - attacks should be used with purpose.

Yup, i stands for 'impact' - it's how many frames it takes for the move to come out, I believe. So if a move is -16 on block, you can punish it with an i14 like 6B8 or anything below i16 (an i16 punish could be a bit iffy online though as the lag will count for a few frames). If ever the notations and jargon confuse you, this is your bible: http://8wayrun.com/threads/basic-notations-and-terminology.58/ ;D
 
I was just reading up on his punishers, it's a lot of work to go and learn every match up for him. In your opinion do you think I should pick one of my maines and just dedicate myself to him. Because doing that for Rugi, Xiba, and LeBello sounds like a bunch of work. And most people I lose against are "dedicated payers" like 50% and huger with a certain character were as me it's 20% Xiba 18% Rugi and 14% LeBello. As you can tell I play a bunch of people. I'm a jack of some trades, but not a master with just one.
 
People will tell you different things, but if you want to get competitive then having one main will definitely make the learning process easier. There are 26 characters, so learning 25 match ups for a single character is daunting enough.
Though I'm not one to talk, I use about 5 characters because I'm too indecisive to pick a main and there are still match ups that seem a bit foreign to me, so don't follow everything I'm saying like I'm a pro or anything! :P
But yeah, most people will tell you that dedicating your time to one character will allow your competitive game to grow more quickly, while there's no harm in having a secondary or two for a bit of variety and to excel in the match ups that your main struggles with. It's totally up to you though!

Oh and I know all this stuff seems a bit overwhelming at first, but bear in mind that there's only so much you'll instantly learn from the theory and reading up on frame data. You'll build your skills with experience and by gradually transferring the stuff you learn here into your game. Fighting people better than you always helps too as long as you aim to learn something from the losses :)
 
Go to tournaments, use practice mode, find an offline buddy - seriously discussing matches and ideas is really helpful...
... Oh and this: KEEP PLAYING MITSURUGI

*Synraii posting*
 
All I really do is fight people who are better. My record is like 1100 and 900 something. (better than it shoul be). Most of my wins are people of the same rank. And I'm thinking about putting most my time into Rugi (despite people who think he's broken) because he just feels more rush down than Xiba, and LeBello has that annoying random factor. I'm just really trying to get better, and I've already started looking up frame sagas nd match ups. I think I will continue to play with LeBello though. He's just too awesome. If you ever want to get some games in send me an invite GT Mayuri Taichou. I'm not too good. But I'm deffinently not a newbie XD.
 
Mayuri_Taichou1 said:
don't really think I'm ready for the tournament scene, though I do have a cousin who does SSIV tourneys.
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Tournaments provide tons of compound experience. It's the quickest way to get better. You'll meet tons of players willing to give you tips about match ups, etc. (After the tournament is done that is. :P)
 
playing mitsurugi won't lead you to anywhere, he's basically a noob character so if i was you i would use a more complex characterrrrrrrr
 
Mitsurugi is only for noobs if you use him like a noob. Yes, he has insane tracking and very decent damage, but that doesn't make him a noob character. Just because he's easily accessible to new players doesn't make him a noob character. I meen maxi is one of the most picked characters with noobs just because he is more simple than most, but that doesn't meen a higher level maxi player who actually knows what he is doing is a noob. It's the player not the character, and some characters were blessed to be better, so if Ilay Rugi with skill (not saying I do but I deffinently know what I'm doing with him) does that make me a noob? Every character has his ups and downs, just gotta learn to deal with em. XD
 
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