FotD set-ups: Help Please

[Deoxippus]

I have been using the following set-ups for FotD, but they seem lacking (or perhaps they just feel that way because I drop the throw too much). Either way, I wanted to write down set-ups I use and have seen others use and see if perhaps I'm missing something.

2A on NH: This seems to be the most common set-up for it that I see. It's neutral on hit and closes distance. I believe it is best used just within tip range so that when you finish you will be at tip throw range. Recently, my friend has been shutting this set-up down with aggression. What can you mix this up with? WS B at this range is slow and doesn't seem to evade much. WS K is beat by 2A's and trades with some BB's. 4B+K can beat alot of these out. That makes the mix-up FotD, WS B_K, 4B+K, which is 2/3 in your opponents favor (if they chooses between 2A and block low).

236K on block: Same as 2A on hit. I find it works best if you can get your opponent to fear 66B. Again though, I fear it can be all but beat by 2A's.

66K: This one I find to work very well. Mix FotD and K_KB on block or hit. The only draw back is that 66K is slow and steppable, and the K_KB option is rather lack-luster.

Step in 66B, 4A+B, FotD mix-up: I feel like this is the most solid way of landing FotD aggressively. It's less gimmicky and more of a legit mix-up. However, I feel like when I go for this, I do so too often and ruin my spacing game. Additionally, I drop the throw out of this more often than the others (I've heard others say the same).

Block: Recognizing when you're at advantage and in your opponents face seems to be the best and most reliable way to pull it off. Unfortunately, I miss far too many of these opportunities thanks to slow reactions.

FC 3B and 66B on NH: Same as above.

236A on hit: Good for surprise ring-outs, but I almost never go for it.

That is all I have. Please tell me if I missed any, or if I got something wrong.

 

[Sazayel]

You'd want to add to your list:
-Delayed FotD (Mind game between 236 A and Fotd)
-Fotd from Full Crouch when your opponent is expecting a WS B
-iFotd after a sidestep (surprisingly efficient)

I also like throwing a iFotd after some A_B_K cancel or 44aB~G.

Anyway, you should take a look at some older threads cause I'm sure Hayate, S-U, Aheda and some others already covered that subject.

Recently, my friend has been shutting this set-up down with aggression. What can you mix this up with? WS B at this range is slow and doesn't seem to evade much. WS K is beat by 2A's and trades with some BB's. 4B+K can beat alot of these out. That makes the mix-up FotD, WS B_K, 4B+K, which is 2/3 in your opponents favor (if they chooses between 2A and block low).

Don't forget to just block/step/delay in order not to become too predictable in your gameplay. Kilik has so many strong evasive moves that some players tend to overuse them. Same story with 66B.
EDIT: Hayate and Saunic posted a lot of kilik set-ups (especially on Asura) on the french forum if you're interested but it might be difficult to understand ^^ That's old stuff but worth the reading :
-Fotd Set-ups
-Defensive Set-ups

 

[Deoxippus]

I hate the delayed FotD/MO A mix-up. MO A feels unbearably slow, and if your in range for it, I feel like you could just go for iFotD or a better mid.

iFotD from FC is beast and I can't believe I forgot about it lol. Only thing is you already have to be in range for FotD, which tends to be the part I have trouble with.

From sidestep is nice and I've seen it used, but when other than for a ring out would you use it after stepping something over step A+B?

A and K canceling are both highs, and faking a high into a throw seems silly. B canceling is nice, but I never find an opportunity for it.

44aB cancel seeams iffy. Would you really want to fake 44aB in throw range? I have all but stopped using 44aB cancels since SC3 when aA was actually good -.-

Don't forget to just block/step/delay in order not to become too predictable in your gameplay. Kilik has so many strong evasive moves that some players tend to overuse them. Same story with 66B.
EDIT: Hayate and Saunic posted a lot of kilik set-ups (especially on Asura) on the french forum if you're interested but it might be difficult to understand ^^ That's old stuff but worth the reading :
-Fotd Set-ups
-Defensive Set-ups

I'm not sure what you meant by this. When was I talking about 66B as an evasive move? I believe this was reffering to what I said about close 2A on hit?

My high school french education is by far not enough for those pages lol.

 

[Mavericks42O]

6a into Fotd works for me sometimes but i suggest getting the iFotd down by itself without any setup like a regular throw. most of these setups wont work on a good player offline as they'll have plenty of time to see your intentions and interupt. also start using the delayed version. its a real bitch to guess between MO A and dFotd throws as the timing is the same. practice holding 4 while blocking and buffer in the 41236 motion. with some practice you'll be able to excute the throw after blocking without any setup.

 

[Sazayel]

Maverick is right, use it as any other throw; and a harder one to break on top of that.

I'm not sure what you meant by this. When was I talking about 66B as an evasive move? I believe this was reffering to what I said about close 2A on hit?

Ups, my bad, I didn't made myself clear. I just meant that 66B was very linear and shouldn't be overused like Kilik's evasive moves.

I hate the delayed FotD/MO A mix-up. MO A feels unbearably slow, and if your in range for it, I feel like you could just go for iFotD or a better mid.

Mavericks already pointed it out but you have no idea how many players fall for this one. On a side note MO 2_8B+K can find itself very useful in some situations.

From sidestep is nice and I've seen it used, but when other than for a ring out would you use it after stepping something over step A+B?

Of course on whiff punish go for the A+B or 22B 3kB for the RO. Trying a Fotd after a simple step while your opponent is freezing/guarding is very rewarding.

A and K canceling are both highs, and faking a high into a throw seems silly. B canceling is nice, but I never find an opportunity for it.
44aB cancel seeams iffy. Would you really want to fake 44aB in throw range? I have all but stopped using 44aB cancels since SC3 when aA was actually good -.-

I noticed that a lot of players can be confused by these cancels (The K one is amazing), some are ducking (iWS B), others are stay still (throw), etc... The point is to force them to make a defensive choice by faking an attack, even if they shouldn't. I would advise you to watch how Malek is using taunts cancels with Ivy and you might get better what I'm trying to say.