Future of online tournaments

Single elim. or Double elim. for next month?

  • Single Elimination

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Double Elimination

    Votes: 22 84.6%
  • Total voters
    26
Maybe we should pass on continental divide dealie. Everything else sounds lovely, but doesn't it more or less mean that one person dropping out or whatnot has a worse effect :/
 
UnseenWombat said:
What does everyone think about the Eastern and Western divisions idea? I'd be willing to give it a try if everyone wants it and we can get enough competitors from each side of the country to fill at least an 8 man bracket. I'm not sure if I want to try four 16-man tournaments or not. This last one was pretty taxing, (though that's probably more due to the dropouts and non-playing of matches than the number of people). But anyway, since I'm no longer going to allow people to play on both systems, I doubt we'll have 64 unique people who want to play. Can anyone think of any other disadvantages to this?
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I'm not for this at all.

You'll run in to the same problems of having a split set of tournaments again. So now at the end of the day we'll have a PSN East Champ, a PSN West Champ, an XBL East Champ, and an XBL West Champ? With 8man brackets everyone's a finalist? Absolutely no excitement with that, what would it mean even getting 2nd place - you won 2-3 times? Hell, even if you win people would still have three other Champs to keep track of.

If we want to do this right, people are going to want to be able to say "I'm the XBL Champ", or "This guy's the PSN Champ", as silly as that might sound to some of us here. That's the kind of things people like to be able to say, and that's what will get people talking.

Is the connections with people that much of an issue? I live in Mid-Western US and I play with people from North Eastern Canada on a routine basis...That's quite the distance, and our connection doesn't drop below a 4bar. Why? Because we both shut down our computers, and have nobody else on our network while playing, and we both have wired connections to our Xbox's.

I think the lag might have more to do with the individual players, than the distance. I know not everyone can have the perfect setup, but I do think that people should consider their setup, and how to maximize their net efficiency, before even considering participating in an online tournament.
 
Is the connections with people that much of an issue? I live in Mid-Western US and I play with people from North Eastern Canada on a routine basis...That's quite the distance, and our connection doesn't drop below a 4bar. Why? Because we both shut down our computers, and have nobody else on our network while playing, and we both have wired connections to our Xbox's.

I think the lag might have more to do with the individual players, than the distance. I know not everyone can have the perfect setup, but I do think that people should consider their setup, and how to maximize their net efficiency, before even considering participating in an online tournament.
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Indeed, distance alone does not determine connection quality (although it is a factor.) I live in Cali and run sets with someone that lives in Florida and our connection is fine. Yet there's two people I play with that live in Texas and our connections are either lag filled, or our matches drop constantly. Destro lives in Washington and he and I have crappy connections most of the time. Fahros said it best.
 
I agree with Fahros. You would have to run 3 serpate tournies per console. Kinda defeats the purpose really.

People when signing up for these need to consider all this stuff. Time differences, lag issues things like that. If its not something they wanna deal with. Then simply dont sign up. If ur ok with it. Then kick back, have some fun, and dont be all pissy if you get DQ'd for not following the rules. They were up before you signed up. So theres no excuse.

A strict policy of north america only needs to be firmly in place as well. Sorry south america. But ur internet sucks!!
 
Okay, since we're getting a mixed response on this, I'm going to rule it out. I see the points from both sides, but I agree that I've personally had fairly good matches with people in France & Japan, and trashy ones with people in Ohio, so I'm not sure the extra effort will really help.

We had a good experience with the first tournament with only one (I think) match being completely unplayable due to DC's, so I'm going to make this one as much like that as I can, but with pre-set deadlines, so everyone can plan in advance. Sorry to anyone who's put off by this, but I can't please everybody all the time.
 
Firstly, I apologize for having disappeared during round 5 of XBL Swiss. To be completely and totally honest, I'd forgotten about it completely. But I wasn't contacted by my opponent at all, so I'm assuming something similar happened with him. I am sorry regardless. I'm also sorry for the failure to come to a scheduling consensus with BrockLanders in the round previous in swiss. I'm not really sure anyone's to blame for that since we shot times and days back and forth and never reached a consensus, but it happened, and that's bad.

Here are my two cents, for whatever they're worth.

I had way more fun in the April series than I did in the May series. There was one tournament being run at a time, which meant less to do and less to keep track of. I think the multiplicity hurt things more than having a large tournament did. I think we can get by with large DE tournaments, but we have to have one tournament per console the way we did in April. I also didn't dare to bother Fahros for recordings during this last series, because I figured he was likely completely swamped with requests considering how much was going on at once.

I agree with HRD about being strict with deadlines and the like, and mayhaps more. For example, disallowing players with reputations for missing matches and the like from entering a tournament. For example, I dicked up rounds 4 and 5 in swiss; depending on how lenient or strict you want to be, you could justifiably bar me from the next tournament. I wouldn't want to be barrred, of course, but I wouldn't be able to say I don't deserve it.

And lastly, Marginal mentioned self-reporting. I know that Challonge already supports participants reporting match results; you just have to flip the switch when you're creating the tournament, and make the participants create Challonge accounts. A minor inconvenience compared to how much easier it'd make the whole deal for our gracious organizer. As for scheduling, I don't know that Challonge has anything to facilitate match scheduling.
 
Can we also make it harder for the winners to keep winning. I mean like Xeph wins the first one. Make it so he only has a single elimination set up? or something like that. Im tired of Xeph kicking my ass. And DIME to for that matter.

Oh yeah and Enkindu!

I dunno, might bring a little more hype and more of a challenge for the better players
 
Can we also make it harder for the winners to keep winning. I mean like Xeph wins the first one. Make it so he only has a single elimination set up? or something like that. Im tired of Xeph kicking my ass. And DIME to for that matter.

Oh yeah and Enkindu!

I dunno, might bring a little more hype and more of a challenge for the better players
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Come on HRD, where's the champion mentality? Wouldn't you rather have a handicap against yourself? Hahaha.
 
HRD said:
Can we also make it harder for the winners to keep winning. I mean like Xeph wins the first one. Make it so he only has a single elimination set up? or something like that. Im tired of Xeph kicking my ass. And DIME to for that matter.

Oh yeah and Enkindu!

I dunno, might bring a little more hype and more of a challenge for the better players
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Half the spice is trying to unseat them. (I don't intend to keep losing forever.)

If you must handicap them, make them use a NES controller with a laggy USB adapter. That would be more reasonable. Oh, and ban them from using thumb socks.
 
Okay guys, as many of you have seen, there's a new signup thread with the format spelled out. It's just like I said. April's format, but with deadlines. I think also, unless something unforeseen happens, I'm going to try to really stick to that finals date, that way, everyone will know way in advance to clear their schedules for it. Including me, so I don't miss the stream of my own tournaments' finals again.

Tiz, you're still welcome to join. There were a lot of people who didn't finish round 5 of swiss.
 
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