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KoshTheKoala

KoshTheKoala

[09] Warrior
Yun Seong.

His 236KK beats EVERY possession option out of AB PO and 1BA PO on block except PO 8K... but PO 8K on hit is punishable.

I don't even try to go into PO against a certain Yun Seong player unless I'm absolutely certain that 1BA will hit.

What would you all do?
 
I'm not familiar with Yun yet but have you tried finishing your AB/attack strings? Sometimes its just best to let the K or the B hit so that you can condition your opponents to block more.
 
apparently you haven't tried or else you're listing the wrong move for Yun. I highly you've tried PO step at all in this case. 3 minutes of testing will show the following.

After AB PO, POstep will avoid 236KK with ease and a lot of time to spare.The first hit isn't even horizontal at all. The only moves that beat her PO step after AB block are KK, and 4K (if Taki steps left) and 2K (if Taki steps right)

Actually you have so much time after the cancel that you can back throw him after he lands from 236KK.

If he tries to wait, you can just cancel the POstep or use PO B.

Yun does not have any good answers for PO.

1BA PO B on BLOCK will out hit 236KK every time and so will AB PO B on hit. The only time where he'll beat you is if you do a high or if you try PO B after AB is blocked.

AB4A+B will hit him every time as well on hit or BLOCK if he tries to do 236KK.

Why are you constantly using highs against a move that TCs quickly?

so to answer your initial question.... I do anything I want from PO or from AB against Yun's 236KK it's a sucky move that you shouldn't have problems with unless you spam highs.
 
Halister said:
apparently you haven't tried or else you're listing the wrong move for Yun. I highly you've tried PO step at all in this case. 3 minutes of testing will show the following.

After AB PO, POstep will avoid 236KK with ease and a lot of time to spare.The first hit isn't even horizontal at all. The only moves that beat her PO step after AB block are KK, and 4K (if Taki steps left) and 2K (if Taki steps right)

Actually you have so much time after the cancel that you can back throw him after he lands from 236KK.

If he tries to wait, you can just cancel the POstep or use PO B.

Yun does not have any good answers for PO.
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I did some further testing, and you can only POstep left. I guess I was testing by only doing PO 22.

1BA PO B on BLOCK will out hit 236KK every time and so will AB PO B on hit. The only time where he'll beat you is if you do a high or if you try PO B after AB is blocked.
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He ducks the A of 1BA then does 236KK. It beats everything but POstep left and PO 8K. The moral of the story is: do AB vs Yun.

AB4A+B will hit him every time as well on hit or BLOCK if he tries to do 236KK.

Why are you constantly using highs against a move that TCs quickly?

so to answer your initial question.... I do anything I want from PO or from AB against Yun's 236KK it's a sucky move that you shouldn't have problems with unless you spam highs.
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I've tried PO B, PO A, PO K, PO A+B, PO 236 anything and PO 214 anything. All of those are useless if he 236KKs. The only things available are PO step left and PO 8K (which is punishable on hit) if AB or 1BA is blocked. At least PO step left works.
 
Kosh, if they duck the A of 1BA, anything will hit, that's not a point at all. They can WS you for free with any character if they duck the A of 1BA. It's actually a miracle that you're able to PO step his after he ducks the A of 1BA. Why in the world are you using so much 1BA that they are able to crouch the A that often?

I can PO step either direction after AB PO, no problem at all. 236K does not track at all in that situation. I don't expect PO A, K, A+B, 236, or 214 to work. PO B will work after AB PO hits.

I don't know why you are unable to step to either direction after AB PO. This is very easy.

The problem is that you rely on 1BA where the main tool you should be using against Yun is AB... he has NO answers for AB
 
Halister said:
Kosh, if they duck the A of 1BA, anything will hit, that's not a point at all. They can WS you for free with any character if they duck the A of 1BA. It's actually a miracle that you're able to PO step his after he ducks the A of 1BA. Why in the world are you using so much 1BA that they are able to crouch the A that often?
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The guy is one of the best in Cali, so maybe that's why he can duck the A of 1BA on reaction.

I can PO step either direction after AB PO, no problem at all. 236K does not track at all in that situation. I don't expect PO A, K, A+B, 236, or 214 to work. PO B will work after AB PO hits.
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Really? I found that stepping to the right causes Yun's foot to catch me as I PO step. Strange.

I know PO B works after AB hits... if 1BA hits, PO B will work too. On hit there isn't much to worry about.

I don't know why you are unable to step to either direction after AB PO. This is very easy.
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As I said before, I can step left easily (I must've been doing it slow saturday) but stepping right often catches me somehow.

The problem is that you rely on 1BA where the main tool you should be using against Yun is AB... he has NO answers for AB
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Right - I realize that now. But if even AB is blocked, the only real options into PO are step or 236KK stuffs me. Then all he has to do is mix it up with a horizontal and I'm sad.
 
doesn't bother me cause I have AB4A+B~A if needed. Who says that AB has to go into PO. AB4A+B~A will stuff all sorts of his stuff... dunno if the 236KK will catch before the A cancel recovers, BUT it doesn't matter cause you can just throw out the bomb instead and do a ton of damage. The trade off there is much more in your favor. If they attack you can beat it with the A cancel if they try the 236KK, they eat the bomb for more damage than you will take. If the cancel recovers fast enough or will beat the 236KK then you're golden.

There's nothing wrong with PO step, or if they try to beat your step, you have PO A+B to knock him. The trade off isn't necessarily in his favor. You have good options to beat his anti step options. If all you try to do PO A and I were playing Yun, I'd totally take that risk reward. You have to do some bigger things to make him think otherwise about doing stuff like 236KK.

The A of 1BA is very easy to duck if that's the move you use the most. Nobody ever ducks my 1BA because I use AB so much and nobody wants to get hit by the B of AB. I generally don't ever use 1BA unless it's in a combo or if I know they are crouching, and if that's the case, I'll use 3KK as well.
 
Thanks Halister.

I think my problem is that I use 1BA about 50/50 with AB, since 1BA gives better frames into PO and if they step the 1B but get hit by the A, PO A/B/K are all guaranteed due to the stun.
 
KoshTheKoala said:
Thanks Halister.

I think my problem is that I use 1BA about 50/50 with AB, since 1BA gives better frames into PO and if they step the 1B but get hit by the A, PO A/B/K are all guaranteed due to the stun.
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I think it is easier to duck the A in 1BA then step B of AB even if you are expecting it. Also if they do step B (very unlikely) in AB then just follow up with K or 4A+B to hit them out of step.
 
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