Theory: Soul Calibur's Corruption

Thaeonblade

[09] Warrior
As some of you know, I'm not a fan of SCV's story, I never will be and I'd rather for PS to take a hatchet to most of this story and start from scratch in SCVI.

One of the main reasons for this is the notion that Patroklos, a selfish, arrogant, incestious, vengeful, weak-willed and cold-blooded murderer was not only capable of wielding the Soul Calibur despite the fact that he shouldn't be able to physically or spiritually touch it, but was also able to unlock and use an ability that had never been used or seen by any previous wielder.

Then I sat down and thought for a second. I've even asked the question of if the story would be better if both swords were switched with Pyrrha getting Soul Calibur and Patroklos getting Soul Edge. After all, they should be natural fits considering their actions and personalities, right? Pyrrha's not evil and had to be manipulated to become Soul Edge's wielder, why is she the designated villain? Patroklos is not heroic and is lacking any sympathetic qualities whatsoever, why is he the designated hero?

But I got a good reply on that topic that had me thinking again and I read back through soul calibur lore and suddenly that good reply made sense. In short, the guy said that Soul Calibur didn't represent goodness necessarily, but order with Soul Edge representing chaos. While this does make a lot of sense, I don't believe that Soul Calibur completely represents order due to evidence to the contrary in previous games.

At least prior to SCIV.

As we all know from SCIV's story, the Hero King Algol was the first recorded wielder of Soul Edge. His will was so strong that he could use the sword without being controlled by it's evil influence and used the sword's power to usher in a golden age for his kingdom.

But the sword was stolen by his son, Arcturus and this sparked a destructive civil war which ended when Algol broke Soul Edge (with his bare hands like a boss) and tragically killed his son. The sword disappeared after this and Algol vowed to create a blade to counter it. After many failed attempts, Algol finally succeeded in transforming purified shards of Soul Edge into Soul Calibur at the cost of his own life.

However, the newly created sword still continued Algol's ambition and likely a portion of Soul Edge's spirit now independent and referred to as Elysium. The ancients were likely aware of Soul Calibur's potential to become just as dangerous as Soul Edge and so they created the sacred items, the Kali-Yuga and Dvapara-Yuga to keep the sword in check. The Kali-Yuga would channel and absorb excess energy both good and evil from the sword to keep it from becoming unstabilized while the Dvapara-Yuga purified the sword of any ill-intent.

Therefore, Soul Calibur became the sword that we knew it as up until SCIV. When Soul Edge emerged, Soul Calibur would eventually choose a strong willed and pure hearted warrior to face it. Before and after the destined clash, the sword was kept stable and pure by the Kali-Yuga and Dvapara-Yuga to keep the sword from being just as dangerous and destructive as Soul Edge. This dance for countless centuries all the way up to Xianghua and Nightmare in Soul Calibur.

But what happened in Soul Calibur again? Oh yeah! Xianghua dropped Soul Calibur and it was sucked into the void along with Inferno/Soul Edge and Nightmare. The sword is absent for a long period of time until SCIII when Siegfried retrieves it from within Soul Edge. As the sword was weakened by Raphael's desperate eye poke and Siegfried's own successful attempt to break from from the Sword's control which left it vulnerable to Siegfried's own epic eye poke.

Where was the sword in the meantime? Inside of Soul Edge? How?

Maybe this should jog some memories::http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/File:Soulcalibur_-_Inferno_ending

I already know what some of you are saying: That ending was non-canon since Soul Calibur does return untainted right?

I thought so too. But on closer thought, maybe not. Remember Evil Soul Calibur from SCII? Believe or not, that's canon at least during the time period of that game. It's unclear as to whether or not Inferno managed to completely taint Soul Calibur or the nature of the corruption itself. But it is canon and it brings future events into perspective.

Some may say that Soul Calibur was just fine in SCIII right? Except that Soul Calibur was inactive because of it's Soul Embrace with Soul Edge with both swords bonding and canceling each other out. The Soul Embrace was only broken by Zasalamel's arts which had the respective wielders of their swords clashing once again and creating a maelstrom that destroyed the Lost Cathedral and left both blades drastically changed.

Soul Edge summoned it's fragmented shards and restored itself while Soul Calibur lost it's graceful designs and appearing to be nothing more than an erratic mass of crystal with a handle. Furthermore, characters like Kilik, Taki, Cassandra and Talim came to distrust both swords equally due to Soul Calibur's more vindictive state. Taki is even shown killing Siegfried in her ending while Cassandra destroy both swords. These appear to be drastic examples, but remember Siegfried's ending? Soul Calibur crystallizes the world and creates a it's own version of utopia. Where everyone is a icy popsicle incapable of evil or anything at all.

Luckily that didn't happen.

Siegfried managed to temper Soul Calibur's less pleasant tendencies and used it to do what he set out to do. Kill Nightmare, defeat Soul Edge and earn redemption for his past sins as Soul Edge's wielder. Then the sword went silent again until Siegfried choose Patroklos to be it's inheritor.

So what was the point of this Soul Calibur history lesson? To point out that the Soul Calibur in SCV is no longer the holy sword that it was meant to be. It's now nothing more than a feminine palette swap of Soul Edge. The very thing that Algol and the ancient sages who first created the sacred items had tried to avoid.

Patroklos wasn't chosen for a strong will or a "pure" heart, he was chosen for the same reason that Soul Edge chooses the grand majority of it's wielders. Because the boy was easy to manipulate and wouldn't have the will to fight against it or it's intentions.

What intentions? Freezing the world in a crystal wonderland like it does after Patroklos kills Pyrrha in Chapter 16. By freezing the world in crystal, the sword fulfills its desire for a utopia of order.

Now some will point out that the Dvapara-Yuga and Kali-Yuga were used on Soul Calibur in a previous chapter. So wouldn't that purify the sword and restore it to the blade that it was meant to be?

No. It was too late. Here's why:

Soul Calibur hasn't been in contact with either sacred item for over twenty years. First, the sword in it's form of the Krita-Yuga was stolen from the other items by Xianghua's father and it was given to her mother who gave it to Xianghua who was unaware of it's true nature until the events of SC. Since Xianghua was 16 in SC, that means that the sword had been separated from the sacred items for at least 16 years up to where Xianghua battled Inferno. Even in Soul Calibur, nobody knew about the Krita-Yuga's true nature to even use the sacred items on it and by the time that they did, the sword was lost in the void with Soul Edge and Inferno.

Let me repeat that: Soul Edge and Inferno.

Inferno had four years to taint Soul Calibur and despite the events of SCIII, something clearly stuck. Which is unsurprising considering that Soul Calibur was created from Soul Edge's shards. The maelstrom clash between Soul Calibur and Soul Edge only further entrenched Soul Calibur's quiet corruption and if not for Siegfried's will, the world would be facing a choice between death by fire or death by crystal.

But after SCIV, Soul Calibur was kept in Siegfried's possession and further withheld from the sacred items. Add Xianghua's age in SC to the total time gap between SC and SCV then that means that Soul Calibur has not been pruned or purified for at least 40 years! Meanwhile, Inferno had 4 years in the middle of that time span to influence and taint the sword for the worst.

By the time the sacred items were finally brought to Soul Calibur in SCV's story mode, Inferno's quiet corruption was hard-coded within Soul Calibur's own power, leaving the items unable to distinguish the sword's native power from any intrusive forces. In short, Soul Calibur had spiritual AIDS that weakened it's own internal purity and strength and left it vulnerable to Inferno's influence that was only strengthened by maelstrom at the end of SCIII.

All that the items managed to do was strengthen the silent corruption, unintentionally serving as accomplices to when the sword destroys the world that it was created to protect.

Until SCV's story throws in a BS time travel ability so that our "hero" can have a happy ending.

But that's another story all together...that'll discuss here.

In fact, if this theory is true then I'd argue that the paradigms of the two swords in SCV may have been intentional. Perhaps the rushed development did ruin what would have been a genuine redemptive quality in an otherwise horrible story. Think about it, Soul Calibur being able to send it's wielder back through time makes absolutely no sense. As I'd said in my Insight of SCV, how do we know that Soul Edge doesn't also have this ability? And if Patroklos was capable of activating it, then how come no one else could?

With this theory in place, what happened in SCV's last chapters can be shed into a greater light. Perhaps what we saw in the game: Soul Calibur freezing the world after Patroklos murders Pyrrha and Patroklos fighting off Soul Calibur and making amends with his sister are actually two separate endings. The Former would be the bad ending while the Latter is the good ending for Patroklos' storyline.

For instance, after A Patroklos defeats Pyrrha in Chapter 16, he has a flashback to when the siblings where children which causes him to hesitate from finishing off Pyrrha. Soul Calibur tells Patroklos to kill her and he argues that he's trying to bring Pyrrha home, but Elysium starts exerting control over Patroklos. Here, we have where player prompt will play out which ending that we have.

The wrong prompt will lead to the Bad Ending, Patroklos kills Pyrrha and Soul Calibur freezes the world.

The correct prompt will lead to the Good Ending, Patroklos strikes Soul Edge instead of Pyrrha, breaking it's hold over his sister and then he drops Soul Calibur and begs for her forgiveness. Elysium manifests itself, Patroklos fights and defeats it and Inferno with the help of Pyrrha, they destroy both swords and earn their happy ending together as brother and sister.

Something similar was likely planned for Pyrrha with the good ending tying into Patroklos' good ending and a bad ending having Pyrrha become the New Nightmare, eternally in pain and eternally alone. If so, then it an otherwise horrible story mode would redeem itself by showing how these siblings love for each other has overcome their fates as imposed upon them by Soul Edge and the corrupted Soul Calibur or displaying the consequences of not attempting to place input into one's own fate.

But this is likely nothing more than a theory...a game theory...

Thoughts?
 
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So what's next? Do we embark on a quest to re-moralize Soul Calibur or do we have to fight that THING again after the siblings sealed both swords into Astral Chaos. The conflict looks like it will no longer be between Soul Calibur and Soul Edge, but against both swords. Now that they're in Astral Chaos and they're both evil, they may decide to work as a team, giving birth to that THING, who is said to be the most powerful entity in the series. Even the man who tamed Soul Edge fears that THING.
 
Soul Calibur represents order. It strives for a perfect world where there is no chaos. Unchecked, this means that everything's dead more or less. The sword is not good per se. It only wants order.

Pat is SC's ideal wielder because he wants an ordered world regardless of the consequences. His early malfested hunting while completely misguided is basically exactly what SC does anyway.

Soul Edge represents chaos. SE's ideal world is one of constant war so it can feed on souls indefinitely.

SE really doesn't care who the wielder is so long as they are capable of fighting and delivering souls to the blade. Pyrrha is rather handy because she's got a built in god granted fighting style, one that's proven to be rather disasterous to SE's goals in the past. Better yet to recruit the favored of the gods (Hephaestus is kinda indiscriminate in his favors) rather than try to deal with them in battle.

So the best fighter (by bloodline in the story), backed by a god is ideal for fomenting chaos.
 
Uhhhhhh.... maybe my brain just isn't working from being melted from my biochem readings, but could you sorta summarize that giant wall of text into something like point forms Thaeon? x) I sorta get some things you're saying.

And what Marginal said makes sense, regarding Pyrrha. Even in the artbook, SE was 'delighted to find that the fragment embedded inside of her carried with it the memories of the female warrior who had previously destroyed the cursed blade'. SE knew she would prove to be the ultimate weapon against SC. (Pg 105)

As for SC choosing Pat, there is the flaw that he himself is malfested. However, SC has an icy heart and hates the malfested, no matter if the malfested is innocent or kind. It doesn't share the same compassion and purity as say, Talim, who healed the malfested boy at the watermill village. Because of this, it WANTS someone who blindly hates the malfested as much as it. Pat suited this case. He would kill anyone who was malfested (or thought to be), the same way SC would eliminate anyone with SE's taint. He's also a capable warrior and due to his family situation, SC picking him is a reasonable one.

To have someone with holy powers and hate for the malfested would be ideal for SC, but beggars can't be choosers. Siggy is wary of it and questions it after it nearly took over him, and there's really nobody else who'd use. Especially for ppl like Kilik and Edgemaster, who are strong and capable but they distrust the sword. Pat is the idiot who would not question it and go kill all malfested. xD

*And Astral Chaos was the reason Pat could go back in time. The artbook said the raw power of that place is enough to create worlds and become a god. That was the energy that Pat, through willpower, was able to somehow use and change his past mistake of killing his sis.
 
Long story short, the theory suggests that between SCI and SCII, Soul Calibur was quietly corrupted by Soul Edge's essence and that's why it became knight-templarish in SCIV and onwards.

1) Xianghua dropped the sword in I and it was trapped in the void with Inferno for 4 years. During which, Inferno corrupted it's essence and this results in the "evil" soul calibur that we see in II.

2) Even after Siegfried took the sword, it apparently never had contact with the sacred items, the Dvapara-Yuga and the Kali-Yuga which were historically used to keep it's less than "holy" aspects in-check by pruning and purifying it's essence.

3) Coupled with the fact that Xianghua's father stole the sword from Kilik's order and gave it to Xianghua's mother before she was born, this means that Soul Calibur hasn't had a needed "soul pruning" in 40 years.

4) Meanwhile, Soul Calibur has been frequently clashing and with and became more eratic due to it's contact with Soul Edge's power hence it's chaotic form in IV. Sieg's will was strong enough to keep the sword under control, but he apparently didn't know about the sacred items which meant that it's silent corruption continued for another 17 years.

5) By the time Patroklos gets the sword, Soul Calibur is only soul calibur in name only. Hence it's manipulative nature and why it's still "evil" even after the ritual with the Kali-Yuga and the shard of the Dvapara-Yuga. It's already too late, it's silent corruption is now hard-coded into it's essence by now.

The above five basically summarize the theory.

As for the time-travel thing, I'd already said a while ago that I wouldn't accept explanations given by the artbook seeing as that it's a supplementary source to the main game. If the main game doesn't care to explain itself, then why should I pay money or do tedious homework to find an answer that it failed to give? The artbook should supplement the game, not try to fill in gaps made by the game.

Even then, how the hell does the kid have the will-power to use time-travel due to the "Astral Chaos", but couldn't resist Soul Calibur's control? And what about other people trapped in the Astral Chaos like Cassandra? If weak-willed Patroklos can leave, then why can't they leave? I guess that they just don't want it bad enough, right? It makes the occurrence no less of a poorly timed and poorly explained deus ex machina thrown in for the convenience of Patroklos and the plot. Take this one thing out and the story and Patroklos' character would've been remarkably improved.
 
Long story short, the theory suggests that between SCI and SCII, Soul Calibur was quietly corrupted by Soul Edge's essence and that's why it became knight-templarish in SCIV and onwards.

1) Xianghua dropped the sword in I and it was trapped in the void with Inferno for 4 years. During which, Inferno corrupted it's essence and this results in the "evil" soul calibur that we see in II.

2) Even after Siegfried took the sword, it apparently never had contact with the sacred items, the Dvapara-Yuga and the Kali-Yuga which were historically used to keep it's less than "holy" aspects in-check by pruning and purifying it's essence.

3) Coupled with the fact that Xianghua's father stole the sword from Kilik's order and gave it to Xianghua's mother before she was born, this means that Soul Calibur hasn't had a needed "soul pruning" in 40 years.

4) Meanwhile, Soul Calibur has been frequently clashing and with and became more eratic due to it's contact with Soul Edge's power hence it's chaotic form in IV. Sieg's will was strong enough to keep the sword under control, but he apparently didn't know about the sacred items which meant that it's silent corruption continued for another 17 years.

5) By the time Patroklos gets the sword, Soul Calibur is only soul calibur in name only. Hence it's manipulative nature and why it's still "evil" even after the ritual with the Kali-Yuga and the shard of the Dvapara-Yuga. It's already too late, it's silent corruption is now hard-coded into it's essence by now.

The above five basically summarize the theory.

As for the time-travel thing, I'd already said a while ago that I wouldn't accept explanations given by the artbook seeing as that it's a supplementary source to the main game. If the main game doesn't care to explain itself, then why should I pay money or do tedious homework to find an answer that it failed to give? The artbook should supplement the game, not try to fill in gaps made by the game.

Even then, how the hell does the kid have the will-power to use time-travel due to the "Astral Chaos", but couldn't resist Soul Calibur's control? And what about other people trapped in the Astral Chaos like Cassandra? If weak-willed Patroklos can leave, then why can't they leave? I guess that they just don't want it bad enough, right? It makes the occurrence no less of a poorly timed and poorly explained deus ex machina thrown in for the convenience of Patroklos and the plot. Take this one thing out and the story and Patroklos' character would've been remarkably improved.
Thanks for the summary Thaeon.

Anyways, wasn't it mentioned in Algol's profile in SCIV however, that Soul Calibur was a failure of a pure sword right from the very beginning? It was created to combat SE true, but its essence and roots came from the evil sword itself. Not to mention Algol failed to make the sword completely pure from the very beginning. The 'holy' items and protection of Zasalamel's tribe only suppressed its twisted madness for true order. Throughout the ages, they had to purify it over and over again so that it wouldn't become evil. What you mentioned from the events for SC's corruption and obsession with true icy order was a natural path for the sword to take, as its inherently evil in the first place.

I believe Ivy's ritual only did one thing. Boost up SC's powers. When it's corrupted, it's weak. Like we saw in the extreme case of Soul Embrace. All she seemed to have done was purify it in a way the made it more powerful, not more 'good'. It could be because she did not perform the right purifying ritual that was passed down from ancient time of Zassy's tribes nor does she truly know about the Ling-Sheng Su's methods. Her notes may have been incomplete. But this is just an assumption since we can't really prove it. xD

As for the artbook, we've got no other choice but to use it as 3/4 of the story is missing from the game. ='(

I agree 100% with you they threw out a horrible deux ex machina with shoving Edgemaster to Pat's feet to help him when he was frozen and got him to travel back through time. =<
Though as to why Cassandra is unable to leave... it may be because she has almost no spiritual connection. Pat has a link to SC and he was born malfested. That may have given him a slight advantage in why he was able to leave that place. Storywise, he did defeat Maxi, Xiba, Leixia, Natsu, Ivy, Voldo, Astaroth, Siegfried and Zwei. Cassandra.... uhhhhh... I think she defeated Raph but then got her SE shard stolen. If we look at it in that way, Pat is stronger than her so I suppose he's more powerful than her and that's why he left?????
 
Thanks for the summary Thaeon.

Anyways, wasn't it mentioned in Algol's profile in SCIV however, that Soul Calibur was a failure of a pure sword right from the very beginning? It was created to combat SE true, but its essence and roots came from the evil sword itself. Not to mention Algol failed to make the sword completely pure from the very beginning. The 'holy' items and protection of Zasalamel's tribe only suppressed its twisted madness for true order. Throughout the ages, they had to purify it over and over again so that it wouldn't become evil. What you mentioned from the events for SC's corruption and obsession with true icy order was a natural path for the sword to take, as its inherently evil in the first place.

I believe Ivy's ritual only did one thing. Boost up SC's powers. When it's corrupted, it's weak. Like we saw in the extreme case of Soul Embrace. All she seemed to have done was purify it in a way the made it more powerful, not more 'good'. It could be because she did not perform the right purifying ritual that was passed down from ancient time of Zassy's tribes nor does she truly know about the Ling-Sheng Su's methods. Her notes may have been incomplete. But this is just an assumption since we can't really prove it. xD

As for the artbook, we've got no other choice but to use it as 3/4 of the story is missing from the game. ='(

I agree 100% with you they threw out a horrible deux ex machina with shoving Edgemaster to Pat's feet to help him when he was frozen and got him to travel back through time. =<
Though as to why Cassandra is unable to leave... it may be because she has almost no spiritual connection. Pat has a link to SC and he was born malfested. That may have given him a slight advantage in why he was able to leave that place. Storywise, he did defeat Maxi, Xiba, Leixia, Natsu, Ivy, Voldo, Astaroth, Siegfried and Zwei. Cassandra.... uhhhhh... I think she defeated Raph but then got her SE shard stolen. If we look at it in that way, Pat is stronger than her so I suppose he's more powerful than her and that's why he left?????

True, SC becoming evil due to isolation and being created from Soul Edge itself is pretty natural to happen as I'd brought up before. My question is whether this angle will stick in future games or if they'll go for a grey-grey morality scale by having both swords be evil with different flavors like they were hinting at in IV.

I know the story's incomplete, it's just a point of principle for me. I apply it to all fiction that I read/play. I can read supplemental stuff if the main story in question can stand on it's own and the supplementary stuff just adds extra flavor or insight. I had a manual for Gundam Wing when I was a kid and read the hell out of it because I liked the show that much. Despite having mixed feelings about the prequel movies, I love the prequel Expanded Universe material like the novels.

But again, if the main story can't stand on its own then it shouldn't expect supplemental stuff to bail it out. No matter how interesting that it may be, it doesn't make up for the failure of the main game/movie.

For instance, SCV's story's presentation leaves Patroklos real abilities questionable as he was usually augmented by Soul Calibur or was having a spar rather than going all out. He's probably really good, it's just that how he's presented doesn't for certain tell if he's really stronger than Maxi (a veteran fighter who killed Astaroth twice in a row and was trained by Edgemaster) with his own native strength or if he just did really well in a friendly spar.

But I digress.
 
True, SC becoming evil due to isolation and being created from Soul Edge itself is pretty natural to happen as I'd brought up before. My question is whether this angle will stick in future games or if they'll go for a grey-grey morality scale by having both swords be evil with different flavors like they were hinting at in IV.

I know the story's incomplete, it's just a point of principle for me. I apply it to all fiction that I read/play. I can read supplemental stuff if the main story in question can stand on it's own and the supplementary stuff just adds extra flavor or insight. I had a manual for Gundam Wing when I was a kid and read the hell out of it because I liked the show that much. Despite having mixed feelings about the prequel movies, I love the prequel Expanded Universe material like the novels.

But again, if the main story can't stand on its own then it shouldn't expect supplemental stuff to bail it out. No matter how interesting that it may be, it doesn't make up for the failure of the main game/movie.

For instance, SCV's story's presentation leaves Patroklos real abilities questionable as he was usually augmented by Soul Calibur or was having a spar rather than going all out. He's probably really good, it's just that how he's presented doesn't for certain tell if he's really stronger than Maxi (a veteran fighter who killed Astaroth twice in a row and was trained by Edgemaster) with his own native strength or if he just did really well in a friendly spar.

But I digress.
Hmm... for sure the two swords will return in the next game. They've always been the focal point of the entire plot. For now, we know that SC is just as evil as SE and has the same powers to manipulate its wielder, destroy the world, etc. It will probably continue from that perspective. I hope we can go to the roots of the problem and figure out a way to truly get rid of them, as the main course of action for the next game.

Yea, it is uncertain how strong Pat really is without SC. The fight that stands out the most would be Voldo vs Pat though. Dumas ordered Voldo to 'get rid of him' so there shouldn't be any holding back in that fight and Pat didn't have SC then. So at least with that one, we can assume that Pat is a strong warrior, especially since he wasn't using Setsuka's moveset, which is supposed to be his true fighting style.
 
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