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Man, I spent most of the 90s and part of the 2000s listening to Art Bell. I'm intimate with most of the best conspiracies and crazy folks. Fucking shadow people, really.
Aluminum Foil Hat Time! Conspiracy Theories?
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lobo
Luminario
so...how about those anunaki?
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
It was a weather balloon.
Senzait
Steamed Buns!!
Well I guess Ill put my two cents into this convo. Just for record I was born and raised Roman Catholic, and still am so to this day. That being said I dont believe in many, MANY things taught by the church.
First though I think people who are against contemporary religion/ Christianity have the misconception of taking the Bible literally (Also the Torah and the Koran). These religious books are supposed to be a collection of stories that teach people lessons. Much like a book of Chinese Proberbs or the Analects of Confucius. Most open minded Christians don't believe in the literal translation of the majority of the Old Testament scripture. Judging a religion by the impossibility of its parable's is imo a little close minded.
Now that I have said that I will take the opposite view a little bit. Again sorry if I'm focusing my point mostly on Christianity as opposed to religion as a whole. Christianity teaches that "Men are made in god's image". Hence our inherited superiority over animals and the existence of the Soul which is supposed to be unique to men. I have a problem with this concept because Christianity also teaches that men people should be honorable, humble, giving and magnanimous. This is IMO a direct opposite to what Man is a whole are. We are a twisted race with its foundations based on greed, cruelty and genocide. My point is how can we be "made in god's image" when there is such a clear discrepancy in teachings and actions/ history.
And If we are not made in god's image/ we do not posses a soul, whats the difference in between killing a man and a dog?
First though I think people who are against contemporary religion/ Christianity have the misconception of taking the Bible literally (Also the Torah and the Koran). These religious books are supposed to be a collection of stories that teach people lessons. Much like a book of Chinese Proberbs or the Analects of Confucius. Most open minded Christians don't believe in the literal translation of the majority of the Old Testament scripture. Judging a religion by the impossibility of its parable's is imo a little close minded.
Now that I have said that I will take the opposite view a little bit. Again sorry if I'm focusing my point mostly on Christianity as opposed to religion as a whole. Christianity teaches that "Men are made in god's image". Hence our inherited superiority over animals and the existence of the Soul which is supposed to be unique to men. I have a problem with this concept because Christianity also teaches that men people should be honorable, humble, giving and magnanimous. This is IMO a direct opposite to what Man is a whole are. We are a twisted race with its foundations based on greed, cruelty and genocide. My point is how can we be "made in god's image" when there is such a clear discrepancy in teachings and actions/ history.
And If we are not made in god's image/ we do not posses a soul, whats the difference in between killing a man and a dog?
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Nyarlathotep > Cthulhu. Real talk.
Also, Hello Cthulhu:
Also, Hello Cthulhu:
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
So you arent supposed to take the ten commandments literally? Or is that just another "Story" made to teach us a lesson? What lesson were we supposed to be taught about Noah and his ARK... ? about Moses PARTING THE DAMN OCEAN where 1000's of people would have enough time to walk through to the other side? How bout jesus being born of a virgin that hadnt had sex? What was the lesson there? or him rising from the dead 3 days after he died?
these seem like they are supposed to be "accurate portrayls of history" to me? Which is why I find anyone believeing in them ridiculous.... I mean just think if we took the book Harry Potter... and gave it to primitive man... What would the world "Have faith" in now?
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lobo
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if any of us were made in god's image, it was definitely senzait!
also this:
also this:
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The best thing is that Alex Jones is one of the most plausible and least insane people to ever be on Art's show.
After my nap I will go into detail. Because fuuuuuuuuuck.
After my nap I will go into detail. Because fuuuuuuuuuck.
Senzait
Steamed Buns!!
Those lessons are supposed to teach you that if one has strong enough faith in one's heart one can overcome impossible odds and do things which are considered by some "Impossible". And yes I do take the ten commandments literally. But those are proclaimed teachings. I follow those teachings, Not the fact that those teachings were supposed to be brought forth when Moses climbed a huge mountain for Idk how many days and talked to idk how many flaming bush's in order to get them.
I dont agree that if we would have given Harry Potter to primitive man there would be any kind of faith in witchcraft. There are several criteria which most if not all modern Religion is defined by. Harry Potter doesn't contain any of those criteria.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Hm... Not sure if anyone will care but I'll throw this out there. I'm a big fan of the vlogger "The Amazing Atheist". I've learned a lot from his viewpoints. I think he's good because he reads and studies a lot from other intellectuals, and he's just insightful in general. Here are the videos I found particularly enlightening over the past couple of years of watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2mjq2n3Yg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gAeYxgwuSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V81DpVJXzUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lg6Q_xRII0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2mjq2n3Yg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gAeYxgwuSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V81DpVJXzUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lg6Q_xRII0
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
LoL your not getting it... The criteria would be totally different if we had given them that book back then.
Men believed anything you told them back then. You cant pick and choose which parts of the bible is supposed to be an esops fable and which are supposed to be actual history. They honestly believe that noah had an ark, and got every mammal two by two on the fucking boat. They honestly believe that jesus was born of a virgin.
Anyways I can see you believe so Im not asking you not to... Im just asking you not to be close minded. No God could have created space... it is forever... How could some being or god create forever in the blink of an eye? Space is infinite... can you wrap your head around how big infinite is? or how big just a few of the billion galaxys out there are? Why would he even create all that shit? Just for the fun of it?
We can create humans... (they wont let us) but we could... What souls would those humans have? would they be given souls by god since he did not create them? or would they have no soul?
We are smart enough to know that religion isnt real now. In the B.C.'s we werent. Things have changed. Everyone just doesnt want to believe theres nothing after death, when you die your just.... dead.
Your soul isnt real... Life is just a state of mind... when you die, you goto sleep. forever.
Senzait
Steamed Buns!!
If you really think about it Djinn there are tons of processes which happen in the universe which we understand but cant replicate. Like Fusion. We aren't smart enough to make it happen on earth, but "something" was able enough to make it happen in space. You can call that something God, Alah, the Creator, Energy or The Force but it doesn't change the fact that it goes on and we are too inferior in knowledge to reproduce it.
We also cant say there is or there isn't anything ( an alien race perhaps) out there as smart or smarter than us. We just dont have enough technology confirm this; and honestly, probabilistically speaking, we are not alone in this universe.
PS: Gotta agree with the last line :)
Lasercakes
[12] Conqueror
According to wikipedia it's more likely to be a neurological thing.
This is a complicated question I think. Why would you kill either? Would you kill a man for acting like a man? Would you kill a dog for acting like a dog? If it was for self-defense or the protection of another individual you can't be blamed. If the murder was the means to an end, you are a twisted fuck either way. If your question actually is, "which murder will weigh more heavily on my human conscience?" the answer is definitely the human. Humans are able to comprehend and communicate their pain, so it's easier to feel guilt for the pain of the family. Does this mean it's always worse to kill a human than a dog? I suppose you could actually argue this either way.
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
Just because we cant reproduce it doesnt mean it was made or made to happen by god...
How bout dinosaurs?? Dont you think that was a pretty big part of history to be left out by the bible?? Know why they left it out? because they couldnt even fathom something like that existed till we dug the shit up and put it together.
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lobo
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According to wikipedia the Holocaust never happened.
this thread needs more William Levy. i'd kill any man or dog for 30 minutes alone with these abs.
Lasercakes
[12] Conqueror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion
Ctrl + F: "laboratory"
Not sure what you mean by "We aren't smart enough to make it happen on earth". Maybe you mean, "We aren't smart enough to utilize this as a realistic energy source on earth?" I do not know that much about the subject and there's more in there than I care to read, but I don't think you raise a strong point. I don't think our lack of understanding means that it points to god. People have pointed to god when they couldn't explain things throughout history and it has only got them laughed at in a later time.
Senzait
Steamed Buns!!
SORRY FOR THE LONG POST ^_^
By what was it made by then?
You SOO have a point on the whole dinosaur thing though Lol. It is sheer Ignorance of stubborn conservative religious fanatics to say that the world was created 5 thousand years ago and that fossils are just remnants of the great flood. Again though most well-educated open minded christians know that thats not the case.
Thats depressing :( Sorry If I cant agree with everything you say, and I promise i'm trying not to be stubborn about this.
Well I say the same thing to you. How can you see something like space, and not think something beyond myself has had influence in creating this. Space is not infinite though. In theory if one travels faster than the speed of expansion of the universe, one would get to its ending. Its just like you said though, its impossible to wrap one's head around what is "outside" of our universe because simply EVERTHING taught to us since birth is governed by the laws of such universe. Its an impossibility to think of a place with no matter or time. It wouldn't even be able to be called a place. And since velocity is a concept discovered by man, its impossible to posses speed when one is not inside our universe.
Most of cosmic concepts still don't have logical scientific answers so neither side can anything.
The thing is you HAVE to pick-chose what to believe because your right ultimately it was a collection of Human being with flaws who wrote the bible. Human beings who lived in times where the world was still flat and at the center of the universe. Of course some stories specially from the old testament lack the common sense we have today, but specially to them at the time it transmitted whatever message they were trying to convey.
By what was it made by then?
You SOO have a point on the whole dinosaur thing though Lol. It is sheer Ignorance of stubborn conservative religious fanatics to say that the world was created 5 thousand years ago and that fossils are just remnants of the great flood. Again though most well-educated open minded christians know that thats not the case.
Thats depressing :( Sorry If I cant agree with everything you say, and I promise i'm trying not to be stubborn about this.
Well I say the same thing to you. How can you see something like space, and not think something beyond myself has had influence in creating this. Space is not infinite though. In theory if one travels faster than the speed of expansion of the universe, one would get to its ending. Its just like you said though, its impossible to wrap one's head around what is "outside" of our universe because simply EVERTHING taught to us since birth is governed by the laws of such universe. Its an impossibility to think of a place with no matter or time. It wouldn't even be able to be called a place. And since velocity is a concept discovered by man, its impossible to posses speed when one is not inside our universe.
Most of cosmic concepts still don't have logical scientific answers so neither side can anything.
The thing is you HAVE to pick-chose what to believe because your right ultimately it was a collection of Human being with flaws who wrote the bible. Human beings who lived in times where the world was still flat and at the center of the universe. Of course some stories specially from the old testament lack the common sense we have today, but specially to them at the time it transmitted whatever message they were trying to convey.
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
Alright not going to lie... You almost blew my fucking mind with those first couple sentences LoL
Space is infinite though... infinity never stops... space will never stop expanding... you may reach the edge but it will keep going therefore there is no definite border... So it never ends.
thinking about the space beyond space is insane though... although one would never find this place LoL because it has about a 13billion year/lightspeed headstart... but it is an interesting concept! ;) Good Job LoL
Lasercakes
[12] Conqueror
Except according to wikipedia it did.
If you want to try to discredit wikipedia fine, but it's more credible and just as accessible as talking out of your ass.
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lobo
Luminario
i think he is saying sort of what i said earlier. it is a different notion of "god". it is the einstienian (if that is even a word) notion of god.
"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
it is this that i also believe. you can call it god or allah or galactus or the force or whatever you want. simply acknowledging that there are things that we flat out cannot understand how or why they are is often confused with religious belief.
"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
it is this that i also believe. you can call it god or allah or galactus or the force or whatever you want. simply acknowledging that there are things that we flat out cannot understand how or why they are is often confused with religious belief.