[Dec 3, 2011] North East Championships XII (Philadelphia, PA)

[LP]

Yo i have one question for you, WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT YOU? WHY DO YOU NEED THEM TO AKNOLEDGE YOU AS A GOOD PLAYER? Some important players have a lot of respect for you, LOLO being one of them and me, and i think even RTD, but you messed up that respect by the way you talk and saying how good you are, just wait for NEC and sit down the players that take casuals or money matches seriously and play them, play all the french and demonstrate you power, you win perfect you lose its ok, what matters is you give all your shit in those matches and if you are really good the word is going to spread, CHEQUERAO.

No, I don't care at all, you can ask Vince how I feel about this stuff. I'm decent enough to know other players are better. Like I said, this is just going to be to humble some other people who want to shit on other players. I can't stand hierarchies - it's one of the biggest reasons I got out of the Army despite doing exceptionally well. Tried to get out of this argument a couple of times but I'm going to defend myself if I have to (did you miss those, what, two pages that were damn near talking about me?)

 

[D.I.N.O]

Thats pretty sad. I thought the "Winner" would be the person with the higher "Score". Doesn't matter what you're playing to, I'm PRETTY SURE you're trying to win the most matches. Again, another cop out. Sandbagging before a Tourney is one thing. Thinking casuals don't mean anything is very, VERY sad.

 

[LP]

Sorry, I can't help but be addicted to these debates. I love it.

One glaring flaw I haven’t seen anyone mention is that casuals are extra meaningless if the two players don’t even know how many matches they’re playing up to. Whether you like it or not, if you don’t at least establish a number, FT5 for example, then it’s just not the same person you’d be playing without it. Why do you think I don’t care if I lose dozens of matches?

It’s just insane to think someone should take those matches with any sort of real weight when there wasn’t any agreement beyond, “let’s just play.”

The 'let's just play until one of us gets tired' thing is something I grew up with. FTx's were foreign to me.

With that, I'm seriously out this time.

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Dino: I only said it's pointless if you don't agree to a goal. If there's no agreement then you're just making up rules in your own head. I could just as easily say that's a copout too.

LP: Yeah, I remember you posted that.

 

[Omega]

Sorry, I can't help but be addicted to these debates. I love it.

One glaring flaw I haven’t seen anyone mention is that casuals are extra meaningless if the two players don’t even know how many matches they’re playing up to. Whether you like it or not, if you don’t at least establish a number, FT5 for example, then it’s just not the same person you’d be playing without it. Why do you think I don’t care if I lose dozens of matches?

It’s just insane to think someone should take those matches with any sort of real weight when there wasn’t any agreement beyond, “let’s just play.”

I agreed with you there Vincent, if there wasnt any agreement then it doesnt matter, but if we play more than 10 matches and the score is 15 to 5 well for me it matters if it was that much difference, but like i said the ageement should be there.

 

[Dreamkiller]

Wow. Talk about delicious lol

 

[Xeph]

Omega took a couple of the words right out of my mouth. My incentive for playing my ass off is paying all this damned money to go in the first place and knowing I won't get to see many of you again for a while. I can guarantee that, despite
Also, I'm not Daddy Warbux or anything, but I include MMs in the 'casual' category, so that may have led to some confusion. What I mean is that longer sets are way more invaluable for determining the better player than typical tournament format will ever be.

To be honest, I will try and play my best be it casuals or not. However, the fact still remains, that there are a large amount of players who do sandbag during casuals; it's a known fact. Really, it could be a win-win situation. You can think you are better than the other player because of a lead in casual match victories; and the other player can think he's better by winning via tournament or MM matches, regardless of the casual's outcome.

 

[Hawkeye]

Casuals do matter.... Its helps you see where you stand against other players.
Casauls prepare you for tournaments and other gaming events.. Not taking it seriously will reflect on how well you do in tournaments. Point Blank.
So thos who say its not important, Then why bother traveling to these events!?

Casual Playing > Tournament Playing (1v1)
If you didn't take casual play seriously then you're the one left short handed.

 

[Omega]

Casuals do matter.... Its helps you see where you stand against other players.
Casauls prepare you for tournaments and other gaming events.. Not taking it seriously will reflect on how well you do in tournaments. Point Blank.
So thos who say its not important, Then why bother traveling to these events!?

Casual Playing > Tournament Playing (1v1)
If you didn't take casual play seriously then you're the one left short handed.

Exaclty, the problem with sand baggers is they forget that you dont get to play everyone in the tourney, what if you spend the whole trip sandbagging and losing every casual match, and then you dont get to play those people in the tourney and lose, what happens then?

 

[Hawkeye]

Exaclty, the problem with sand baggers is they forget that you dont get to play everyone in the tourney, what if you spend the whole trip sandbagging and losing every casual match, and then you dont get to play those people in the tourney and lose, what happens then?

Simple answer..... THEY LOSE!....lol

 

[FightClubHuBBs]

walls of txt don't build hype.

 

[Hawkeye]

Lmfao!

 

[lobo]

omega are you going to this?

 

[Omega]

omega are you going to this?

Na i cant go, hope i was.

 

[Omega]

1 question why RTD isnt going?, just out of curiosity, if hes really not going thats a big damage blow for team USA.

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Casauls prepare you for tournaments and other gaming events.. Not taking it seriously will reflect on how well you do in tournaments. Point Blank.

Everybody said NFK was sandbagging and yet he got 2nd place at the last two Devastation events. What you're trying to say here doesn't work. Also, I think refusing to play any casuals at all (especially with your main character) before a tourney is the same as sandbagging, but I've seen players win/place well like that, too.

Speaking of sandbagging, everyone seems to think that playing in a first-to-who-knows-how-many-matches and then losing should automatically mean the guy was sandbagging. False. Sometimes people just want to experiment and figure out things for their own benefit later on...even at the cost of, gasp, losing a first-to-who-knows-how-many-matches.

 

[Something-Unique]

LP:

There's merit to ur argument but in ur V vs. N setup all of that info is overall useless. This is because tournaments are not about hey new player beat a veteran player. Tournaments are about who made it to the top. In complete opposite to what you said about player N beats player V and goes on to win the tournament its not ok for player V. Tournament N is boss as long as he can replicate it. If player V has done so much more and loses 1 time are u really telling me the one victory player N has is superior. If player N beats player V in a mm it is ok on the merits that its the only thing of significance. In what world should so much emphasis be placed on someone who won a mm against one person but can't do anything else?

I hope u realize ur going down the road of proclaiming a large number of things. You still have the NECXII major to worry about before u even get to SC5. At the rate ur talking about shutting a bunch of people down u have to win. If u lose u make everything worse for urself. Take it from me I have like 40 mm wins during my time in SC4 and like 8 losses two of which I finally got blown up after massive shit talking (Mick & Docvizzo). People will selectively hold things like this over u despite whatever else was accomplished.

I never once stated my lost to u at FSAK was where everything went wrong. I said everything went wrong for me when my execution with Kilik fell off the planet. I can name at least 3 people that felt they needed to take their stab at me when they realized this.

I also don't try to downplay anything u say. You gave me one of my losses at FSAK. It's not worth going apeshit over though because as player N that's all it was. If u had beaten me and made it all the way to top then it would be worth promoting. Seriously its insignificant otherwise but u can say u have a win over me. There's way more importance in Mick beating me because it was hyped, had tremendous shit talk, and he took my money lol. No offense to Mick because I truly like the guy (again no homo) but imo just like I stated in this thread a long time ago he hasn't put in work except for the very last tournament he was at SJ and I stand by that.

Lastly this is 8wayrun people talk mad shit behind peoples back. People are corny like that. I can't tell u how much shit I heard in my entire year away from this game. I don't think people realize most things said but not all people know about here. Take it from me unless u enjoy doing what I do and don't give a fuck (i love being the villain) just leave it alone and body people.

Oh before I forget my props to u imho is that ur a upper tier competitor but not an s tier competitor. Same stance as Sporko, I just don't think ur there yet because results don't say so, not some gripe against u.

 

[g0ofus]

your all scrubs, how about that?

Lolo i challenge you and Yoshi to a FT5 for $10.

 

[Ooofmatic]

Omega took a couple of the words right out of my mouth. My incentive for playing my ass off is paying all this damned money to go in the first place and knowing I won't get to see many of you again for a while.

Bullshit. When I first played you at Summer Jam I beat your Setsuka and your other characters in casuals, and you ran to Sophi and threw me off with a shitty AA BB Sophi. The whole time I stuck with my main, Vader, and played my best. I felt like I was wasting my time against you, even when I played you again in casuals and took down your shitty AA BB Sophi since I knew what to expect. Biggest waste of time ever. If I ever play you again in casuals, please use your main and play your best against me, or at least don't use a character that you have no idea how to use properly. I don't like feeling like my time is being wasted playing you.

I didn't read the rest of your post, nor anyone elses wall of texts about this whole casuals vs tournament debate. Can't believe you guys are actually debating this.

 

[LP]

Bullshit. When I first played you at Summer Jam I beat your Setsuka and your other characters in casuals, and you ran to Sophi and threw me off with a shitty AA BB Sophi. The whole time I stuck with my main, Vader, and played my best. I felt like I was wasting my time against you, even when I played you again in casuals and took down your shitty AA BB Sophi since I knew what to expect. Biggest waste of time ever. If I ever play you again in casuals, please use your main and play your best against me, or at least don't use a character that you have no idea how to use properly. I don't like feeling like my time is being wasted playing you.

I didn't read the rest of your post, nor anyone elses wall of texts about this whole casuals vs tournament debate. Can't believe you guys are actually debating this.

I didn't get passed the first sentence. You NEVER played against me using Sets which is why I guarantee you can't recall what happened
. I used Mits, Kilik, and Sophie against you the first night then just Sophie after that. Get your facts straight and the I'll read the rest of your post.

SU, I'll check out what you said later. Posting from my phone.