The Athiest Thread

Atheist, Agnostic, Theist

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UnseenWombat said:
Well, what can I say. If you guys won't even meet me half way... guess I have nothing more to say in here.
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I have to agree with you here. I am interested in helping bridge theists and atheists together as well (or was rather), but the trolling is high in this thread... And the other one as well. I think we should just let the matter rest and close the threads, you can't change someone's beliefs with an ALL CAPS INSULT AND TROLLING BARRAGE or a crappy hippie article. We're not getting anywhere with this discussion.

I did read the article you posted though, and all I must say is whoever wrote it had no idea of how atheism works. Nice try tough.
 
This isn't a debate thread though. Neither is the christian one, people can't resist swooping in and arguing. You just have to shoo them away and prepare for the next one.
 
Sett said:
This isn't a debate thread though.
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Norik said:
I have to agree with you here. I am interested in helping bridge theists and atheists together as well (or was rather), but the trolling is high in this thread... And the other one as well. I think we should just let the matter rest and close the threads, you can't change someone's beliefs with an ALL CAPS INSULT AND TROLLING BARRAGE or a crappy hippie article. We're not getting anywhere with this discussion.

I did read the article you posted though, and all I must say is whoever wrote it had no idea of how atheism works. Nice try tough.
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In that case, I have no idea either, because all of it sounds to me like something that atheists are always going on about. The part about the Christians was pretty spot on too, regarding most christians that is. Care to elaborate on what he was wrong about, because I honestly have no idea.
 
SeraphimJester said:
To Christians

1. How do YOU know that god exists? Have you actually seen him?
2. Look at all the other religions in the world. Why is yours considered the right one? Each religion contradicts the next, so Christianity is just as feeble in truth as the others
3. Christians die exactly like people who don't believe in god. It's the human race that makes miracles not god e.g. I.e. the notion of medicine to cure human illnesses. Definitely not god's work but the work of the human mind.
4. The bible is COMPLETELY unjustified. So how can you prove that anything in it is true?
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Firts please see i just reponding a question, not here for flame ^^

1.Well is like, the pretty litle nit thing in life, everything to life exist , if you look deep in the formation of life and the planet itself, is all about the minimal things that need to happen to life exists we need the rigth sun, mon,distance of the sun,quantittation of oxigenio, thing that are to especific to be simply "luck"

2.In my sincere and humble opinion we may very well be worshiping the same very god in diferent ways of cousr,but there indeed to many misterys, and so we cant asume who is rigth who is wrong ,mostly old fashioned christians have such small mind

3.Well i gona put this way, no medice can explain some cases of survive not even doctors thesmselfs can explain, and about miracles god help i think but, we need assistance

4.To be sincere, bible is most the thing like,"Hum i think i misguided maybe i should go for some adivice" or i really need something to calm donw , se bible have free interpretation

Hope i helped you to see what you wanted to see =)
 
jwdinkc said:
I think you're assuming too much. First, you assume that because Atheists don't believe in a God doesn't mean we don't pursue knowledge and understanding. You're saying that a whole group of people are just content with the answers in front of us. That's like me saying everything a religious person needs to know is in a religious text and they're content with that. One could even make the argument that since atheists have to find their own answers they have to perceive more and so pursue more. Then, you assume that God keeps things going. Maybe because the bible tells you you already know. But there are people out there not satisfied with explanations without proof. And God or not there are plenty of things we don't know about our own world let alone the Universe. Some Christians I've spoken to at least resign themselves to the possibility that God doesn't have an active role in keeping Physics and existence going. It may all be a machine that God started and then left it do it's thing. But why should I care. I'm just a imperceptive atheist with no ambition.
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You fell off the mark.

Disclaimer: I am not a christian nor religious. I am theist.

I said that atheists are content with the universe. While theists pursue beyond the universe.

My beliefs and science don't contradict. Science simply explains how the universe works and reverse engineers nature introducing technology. It doesn't not disprove God nor can it. If anything it does the opposite.

What is the proof of God?

God is just a name out of thousands that are given for the source of existence, so we can call IT anything. God is not a man in the sky. You're looking at It. You are It. And you're experiencing It. It is the universe and everything that encompasses it and beyond. It is limitless. From positive infinity to negative infinity. It is as it was, as it is and as it will be. That with no beginning and thus no end.

And this Universe is an infinitesimal part of It.

And that's it, it's not even that important a question if you think about it. It does absolutely nothing for anyone IMO.
 
Hikari said:
Firts please see i just reponding a question, not here for flame ^^

1.Well is like, the pretty litle nit thing in life, everything to life exist , if you look deep in the formation of life and the planet itself, is all about the minimal things that need to happen to life exists we need the rigth sun, mon,distance of the sun,quantittation of oxigenio, thing that are to especific to be simply "luck"

2.In my sincere and humble opinion we may very well be worshiping the same very god in diferent ways of cousr,but there indeed to many misterys, and so we cant asume who is rigth who is wrong ,mostly old fashioned christians have such small mind

3.Well i gona put this way, no medice can explain some cases of survive not even doctors thesmselfs can explain, and about miracles god help i think but, we need assistance

4.To be sincere, bible is most the thing like,"Hum i think i misguided maybe i should go for some adivice" or i really need something to calm donw , se bible have free interpretation

Hope i helped you to see what you wanted to see =)
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I understand where you're coming from, but in reference to question 2, Christianity is just like any other religion. Christian beliefs are completely dissimilar to that of Hinduism, and Islam vice-versa. There are so many religions to the point where none of them seem at all credible.
 
I agree with you UnseenWombat, most people on this thread attack your beliefs if you just state that your a christian, like come on me being Christian dosen't mean that I am part of any of instutitions you atheist hate so much. My religion and my faith is between me and my God, explaining that got me called an hypocrit XD

Also before judging the religion, you should learn it because some people are speaking out of their asses like the dude who said Jesus was killed by a roman empereror.
 
SeraphimJester said:
I understand where you're coming from, but in reference to question 2, Christianity is just like any other religion. Christian beliefs are completely dissimilar to that of Hinduism, and Islam vice-versa. There are so many religions to the point where none of them seem at all credible.
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Well your wrong here, Christianity and Islam are similar in because we believe in the same God and they accept the teaching of Jesus as a prophet. Well Hinduism is just off the chart, I wonder how that religion was created :S a bit scary
 
1. I have my reasons, Something amazing happened.

2. Well I honestly believe that every person doing good on earth will get salvation. Every Religion wants you to be a righteous man.

3. Well I believe that knowledge comes from God. He did give knowledge to Israel that meat should be emptied of all impurity before cooking it. This resulted in less illness in the Jewish community. God till tell Job that the earth was suspended in nothing an it was later verified scientifically. We might have knowledge but I believe the great discovery that changed the world did come from above. Everything that is genius comes from above.

4. Why is the bible unjustified, stop reading the bible like an history book. Most atheist thing we actually believe that God created the world in seven days...
 
TerminatorCortez said:
1. I have my reasons, Something amazing happened.

2. Well I honestly believe that every person doing good on earth will get salvation. Every Religion wants you to be a righteous man.

3. Well I believe that knowledge comes from God. He did give knowledge to Israel that meat should be emptied of all impurity before cooking it. This resulted in less illness in the Jewish community. God till tell Job that the earth was suspended in nothing an it was later verified scientifically. We might have knowledge but I believe the great discovery that changed the world did come from above. Everything that is genius comes from above.

4. Why is the bible unjustified, stop reading the bible like an history book. Most atheist thing we actually believe that God created the world in seven days...
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That's utterly farcical! So you're seriously telling me that EVERY person particularly including non-followers will get salvation even though this is strictly applicable to only those who actually believe in him? LOL. That's false.

Exhibit A
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Seems that God will save those who ONLY believe in him

Exhibit B
The Ten Commandments

"Thou shalt have no other gods"​
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Hindus believe in multiple Gods. It's not a monotheistic religion terminator, therefore why would God save somebody who does not abide the ten commandments​


Without sounding obnoxious, I really think that you need to read the bible again, and then re-evaluate what you're saying, because you're getting yourself caught up in a tangled web. Your points are becoming null and void now.
 
Synraii said:
Religion *is* null and void, that's why all his points sound like it.
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In periods of time such as when the puritans existed, people were not allowed to explore the truth, and loopholes of Christianity for themselves, but it seems to be manifesting more, and more as time progresses. It's only a matter of time until religion becomes unimportant.
 
SeraphimJester said:
That's utterly farcical! So you're seriously telling me that EVERY person particularly including non-followers will get salvation even though this is strictly applicable to only those who actually believe in him? LOL. That's false.

Exhibit A
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Seems that God will save those who ONLY believe in him

Exhibit B
The Ten Commandments

"Thou shalt have no other gods"​
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Hindus believe in multiple Gods. It's not a monotheistic religion terminator, therefore why would God save somebody who does not abide the ten commandments​


Without sounding obnoxious, I really think that you need to read the bible again, and then re-evaluate what you're saying, because you're getting yourself caught up in a tangled web. Your points are becoming null and void now.
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Well you really believe that God is going to punish all the innocent people that where brought up in a different lifestyle. Did you ever read the book of Jonah? Even when Niveneh was an enemy of Israel and didn't believe in God, they accepted the warning of Jonah and God didn't destroy their nation because he had mercy for the good and the innocent. God shows mercy, I'm sure that God will show mercy to anyone who didn't believe in him because they where brought up differently or that needed a proof of his existence like the apostle Thomas.
 
SeraphimJester said:
In periods of time such as when the puritans existed, people were not allowed to explore the truth, and loopholes of Christianity for themselves, but it seems to be manifesting more, and more as time progresses. It's only a matter of time until religion becomes unimportant.
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Well this is never going to happen, world war 3 is probably going to be caused by religion... it's happening right now
 
TerminatorCortez said:
Well you really believe that God is going to punish all the innocent people that where brought up in a different lifestyle. Did you ever read the book of Jonah? Even when Niveneh was an enemy of Israel and didn't believe in God, they accepted the warning of Jonah and God didn't destroy their nation because he had mercy for the good and the innocent. God shows mercy, I'm sure that God will show mercy to anyone who didn't believe in him because they where brought up differently or that needed a proof of his existence like the apostle Thomas.
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Reread the verse John 3:16 please. It gives the implication that those who do not believe in him WILL perish.
 
Trying to tell people not to believe in God/or more like, there's no God, isn't like telling people there's no Carnage in the new Spiderman movie.

It's more like saying there's no Spiderman in the movie, because he's a fraud and should've stayed in the comic books where he belonged, don't bother with it. It may well be true, but that doesn't make it right.

Do you understand the concept of a power vacuum? Maybe you need to get past hypocrisy first, I'll give you a while.
 
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I think I believe something very similar. Science's purpose is to describe existence and if God exists, he and what he does must be able to be described whether or not a human can even comprehend it.

But why do you call it theism? Is it because you pursue something outside the universe? But you wouldn't say it exists outside of existence would you? What does that even mean? Do you believe what you pursue has a higher purpose?
 
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