acefrost
[12] Conqueror
Now there is no more DLC this is just another fighting game, however I do still like to hit up CaS now and then. Also there are too many horrible players Online.
Defecting SC players
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optymuss
[12] Conqueror
ummmm, then start one there???
Solo
[14] Master
I don't know anyone here but family that is a generation older than me.
optymuss
[12] Conqueror
that sucks.....
just find an arcade, comic store, card shop,etc and ask if you can host an event or something. there is also a thread for oaklahoma or for an area near it, so if you want you can spread the word there.
that is...... if you are going to do it.
Solo
[14] Master
The SC scene (the little that is left) is in Tulsa, I live in Oklahoma City. I've been trying to find the local FC scene with no avail. I have heard that some people that do play 3D fighters in OKC but all play Tekken though. >.<
I'll have to make some friends. Lol
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
Introducing SC to new players is soooooooooooooooooooooo hard! so good luck with that Solo :D
TheCursedImage
[12] Conqueror
It was the new mechanics that turned me off of SC5, to be honest. JG, meter GI, and a generally higher damage output are not things I am fond of. Brave edges and meters seem really gimmicky to me and this was just not the game I was expecting. I have tried to look past these things but I just couldn't manage to. I just don't enjoy SC5, even if I initially did. And the glitches/infinities/unbalancing didn't help either. I don't think i'll ever truly 'defect' from SC as a whole, because I can remember a time when the only thing I spent my free time doing was playing SC. Even if i'm done with SC5 for DOA I know that as soon as another SC comes out i'll drop everything else in response. While i'm not fond of this installment, SC will always be my first love!
Xeph
#TRYHARD
I've been part of the Soul Calibur community for roughly... 3-4years. Back in SCIV, the community was fine. It wasn't huge, but people were showing up to tournaments. In Soul Calibur V, a lot of hype was present at the beginning, then dwindled- almost too fast.
I myself haven't "defected." I'm going to play Soul Calibur until the game dies off (if it dies off). However, I am dedicating a lot of my game time towards a newer game series to compete at high level play, and expand my name into other parts of the FGC.
Here's a list as to why-
1.) Low turnouts. As I mentioned before, there weren't exceptional turnouts for this game via SCIV, but they were stronger than what they are now, and this is still a new game. When I wasn't placing consistently at the SCIV events, I and a lot of others were still trying to show up to the hype majors. I was supporting my local scene (NorCal), and it was "enough." In this game, the low turnouts when tournaments are throwing big bills at us was disheartening.
I understand the money issue- but people who complain about the community's numbers and/or the support the community lacks, are the one's who are not showing up, or never have shown up. We have people who won't even show up to a local event, 1-2hrs away, if that. Yet, they can talk down on the community as if they have the right. This makes me ashamed that these people even post here.
2.) Lack of activity via community forums. For example, EBO/MLG Raleigh were at the same time. I waited two weeks for a front page topic covering the events. Nothing happened until I decided to do it myself. I even graduated to a Senior Moderator just to pump some juice into the forums, and create the topics of coverage. Another example was the SBO fail. I don't even want to indulge into that.
3.) The bitching and complaining. I know this is prominent in any game- but bitching and crying about the game because he/she is not good at it, either before or anymore, is tiresome. If you don't like the game, or the community, or anything pertaining to SC, then leave.
Viola is a perfect example- instead of figuring out a tough match up, people gave up. EU even went as far as a ban. This isn't healthy for a community, especially one our size. Also, as I and LP have stated before, the people complaining AREN'T EVEN SHOWING UP.
I'll always support the SC Community. Only because I have met and befriended some extraordinary people. I don't necessarily want to switch my main title, but what I want in a community, 8WR lacks in a lot of aspects. This is a great game, and in my opinion, the greatest fighting game series made... but as a community, there's a lot of failure. This game should be more popular, and more active than it is.
I myself haven't "defected." I'm going to play Soul Calibur until the game dies off (if it dies off). However, I am dedicating a lot of my game time towards a newer game series to compete at high level play, and expand my name into other parts of the FGC.
Here's a list as to why-
1.) Low turnouts. As I mentioned before, there weren't exceptional turnouts for this game via SCIV, but they were stronger than what they are now, and this is still a new game. When I wasn't placing consistently at the SCIV events, I and a lot of others were still trying to show up to the hype majors. I was supporting my local scene (NorCal), and it was "enough." In this game, the low turnouts when tournaments are throwing big bills at us was disheartening.
I understand the money issue- but people who complain about the community's numbers and/or the support the community lacks, are the one's who are not showing up, or never have shown up. We have people who won't even show up to a local event, 1-2hrs away, if that. Yet, they can talk down on the community as if they have the right. This makes me ashamed that these people even post here.
2.) Lack of activity via community forums. For example, EBO/MLG Raleigh were at the same time. I waited two weeks for a front page topic covering the events. Nothing happened until I decided to do it myself. I even graduated to a Senior Moderator just to pump some juice into the forums, and create the topics of coverage. Another example was the SBO fail. I don't even want to indulge into that.
3.) The bitching and complaining. I know this is prominent in any game- but bitching and crying about the game because he/she is not good at it, either before or anymore, is tiresome. If you don't like the game, or the community, or anything pertaining to SC, then leave.
Viola is a perfect example- instead of figuring out a tough match up, people gave up. EU even went as far as a ban. This isn't healthy for a community, especially one our size. Also, as I and LP have stated before, the people complaining AREN'T EVEN SHOWING UP.
I'll always support the SC Community. Only because I have met and befriended some extraordinary people. I don't necessarily want to switch my main title, but what I want in a community, 8WR lacks in a lot of aspects. This is a great game, and in my opinion, the greatest fighting game series made... but as a community, there's a lot of failure. This game should be more popular, and more active than it is.
Reave
[13] Hero
I haven't defected from the series because the game has a nunchaku user. The moment that changes we will have to see.
Will I be playing DOA5 when it drops? You damn right and I will be balling on it because Drunken Fist is too awesome. Me playing it more than SCV doesn't mean anything other than "this is new so let me get up too speed". I don't play one game consistently after the first two or three weeks of purchasing it anyway so SCV will find its way back in.
I thoroughly enjoy SCV for the most part. If we ever get Zasalamel and Yun Seong then it would be the complete package.
Will I be playing DOA5 when it drops? You damn right and I will be balling on it because Drunken Fist is too awesome. Me playing it more than SCV doesn't mean anything other than "this is new so let me get up too speed". I don't play one game consistently after the first two or three weeks of purchasing it anyway so SCV will find its way back in.
I thoroughly enjoy SCV for the most part. If we ever get Zasalamel and Yun Seong then it would be the complete package.
Wandrian
I don't know.
I think for the most part it's due to scrub mentalities. As much of a cliche as it is, yes, I sincerely think that's the case. Even those that at some point weren't scrubs that have thrown in the towel, their reasons too are more often than not the same kind of pitiful excuses and laziness as the worst of the scrubs that have thought all their heavily armored CAS clad in over-satured red and black armor were works of art and quit even exploring the character editors possibilities due to laziness("I'm already at level 99, and without any more new pieces to work with this game is dead to me.")
Then what's worse is everything that should be telling these people how there is an issue with their mentality is just more proof to them that their beliefs are correct. Oh, Omega won a tourney with Nightmare so he's OP. Viola is relatively safe, she's unbeatable. A few great players use Raphael, he's broken. It's...I don't know. It seems like a bizarre mixture of selfishness, confirmation bias, laziness, and paranoia. And then what's even worse is if we try to explain that the greatest players are so great because they've worked their asses off to achieve that level of skill, we're all a bunch of elitist pricks.
I don't think there's any way this can be fixed, I think it's more a thing of human nature and the kind of circumstances required for this(e-sports if you'd prefer that term) that aren't the same as other competition. In other sports, things end up often starting with the players being much less privileged and having much less to do with their free time(as well as less free time fairly often). Play in the dirt, or don't play at all. But with this we're talking about a format that requires money and time to even give a chance to: $200 for a console and another $60 for a game. You don't need that kind of money to get started in amateur basketball or soccer, you can just play most anywhere with a hoop or goal for free if you provide the ball and players. And people that can afford spending that much have plenty of other options available as well, many of which require less effort for a more immediate feeling of reward(even when the "reward" is only self-gratification, many games offer this such as Call of Duty). Success in pulling people away from desire for gratification to actual, meaningful achievement is...well, I think the odds are grimly in favor of failure.
Then there's the other fun fact others have already brought up being that lots of people play games, but it's an incredibly slim minority that actually compete and an even smaller percentage of that group which are genuinely proficient, let alone masters of their game. It's not exclusively the amount of effort put in, it's also the amount of time and the quality of the effort. How about an example? A player with a desire to compete as Yoshimitsu may practice performing one of his numerous just frame attacks until they can perform it a majority of the time. A player attempting to become proficient will study the move to find more uses for it, things it can evade, and how it relates to spacing. A player attempting to master Yoshimitsu will study the move, how it can be mixed up with other moves, which attacks it can and cannot defeat, how it can be used in combos, what movement it causes, what it does to the opponent in all possible situations, and most importantly how it can be used in a practical manner. We're talking a shitton more work, effort, and knowledge here. And it can be achieved in a comparable amount of time, depending on individuals and their cognitive abilities.
But that sets us right back to the claim that the scrubbiest of players make: better players are all elitist snobs that hate everyone else. What can we do about this? Nothing, I think. These weakest individuals will see everything as more proof that their beliefs are correct. Want to play with people that give you a challenge instead of wiping the floor with lazy, incompetent players? You're being elitist. Want to be nice and try to help them up their game a bit? You're just doing it to stroke your ego. And it just goes on like that. Everything is proof their beliefs are correct in their minds and there is simply no reliable way to change this. Teaching them how to punish Nightmare isn't going to make them believe Nightmare isn't a gamebreaker. Trying to gently, subtly coax them into learning how to not fall for RO traps won't teach them that ROs are a fair mechanic not worth bitching about. The changes necessary to turn a scrub into a competitive player(let alone a proficient or truly masterful player) must come from within and cannot be forced by external influences. I think that's why all of this happens.
But as long as we keep on trying and try to avoid the same kind of self-perpetuating systems of bad beliefs scrubs use, I think we still have hope. Hope of bettering ourselves.
Then what's worse is everything that should be telling these people how there is an issue with their mentality is just more proof to them that their beliefs are correct. Oh, Omega won a tourney with Nightmare so he's OP. Viola is relatively safe, she's unbeatable. A few great players use Raphael, he's broken. It's...I don't know. It seems like a bizarre mixture of selfishness, confirmation bias, laziness, and paranoia. And then what's even worse is if we try to explain that the greatest players are so great because they've worked their asses off to achieve that level of skill, we're all a bunch of elitist pricks.
I don't think there's any way this can be fixed, I think it's more a thing of human nature and the kind of circumstances required for this(e-sports if you'd prefer that term) that aren't the same as other competition. In other sports, things end up often starting with the players being much less privileged and having much less to do with their free time(as well as less free time fairly often). Play in the dirt, or don't play at all. But with this we're talking about a format that requires money and time to even give a chance to: $200 for a console and another $60 for a game. You don't need that kind of money to get started in amateur basketball or soccer, you can just play most anywhere with a hoop or goal for free if you provide the ball and players. And people that can afford spending that much have plenty of other options available as well, many of which require less effort for a more immediate feeling of reward(even when the "reward" is only self-gratification, many games offer this such as Call of Duty). Success in pulling people away from desire for gratification to actual, meaningful achievement is...well, I think the odds are grimly in favor of failure.
Then there's the other fun fact others have already brought up being that lots of people play games, but it's an incredibly slim minority that actually compete and an even smaller percentage of that group which are genuinely proficient, let alone masters of their game. It's not exclusively the amount of effort put in, it's also the amount of time and the quality of the effort. How about an example? A player with a desire to compete as Yoshimitsu may practice performing one of his numerous just frame attacks until they can perform it a majority of the time. A player attempting to become proficient will study the move to find more uses for it, things it can evade, and how it relates to spacing. A player attempting to master Yoshimitsu will study the move, how it can be mixed up with other moves, which attacks it can and cannot defeat, how it can be used in combos, what movement it causes, what it does to the opponent in all possible situations, and most importantly how it can be used in a practical manner. We're talking a shitton more work, effort, and knowledge here. And it can be achieved in a comparable amount of time, depending on individuals and their cognitive abilities.
But that sets us right back to the claim that the scrubbiest of players make: better players are all elitist snobs that hate everyone else. What can we do about this? Nothing, I think. These weakest individuals will see everything as more proof that their beliefs are correct. Want to play with people that give you a challenge instead of wiping the floor with lazy, incompetent players? You're being elitist. Want to be nice and try to help them up their game a bit? You're just doing it to stroke your ego. And it just goes on like that. Everything is proof their beliefs are correct in their minds and there is simply no reliable way to change this. Teaching them how to punish Nightmare isn't going to make them believe Nightmare isn't a gamebreaker. Trying to gently, subtly coax them into learning how to not fall for RO traps won't teach them that ROs are a fair mechanic not worth bitching about. The changes necessary to turn a scrub into a competitive player(let alone a proficient or truly masterful player) must come from within and cannot be forced by external influences. I think that's why all of this happens.
But as long as we keep on trying and try to avoid the same kind of self-perpetuating systems of bad beliefs scrubs use, I think we still have hope. Hope of bettering ourselves.
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
Although I don't agree with you, you have a very valid point sometimes is the mentallity of the gamer that ecounters a barrier and then instead of learning how the go through it, he/she just gives up. But I don't think that is the major reason for people leaving SCV behind (not SC saga, just V), for example take Keysona from France, he is FAR from a scrub and yet he is no longer playing SCV, last time I talked to him he was dedicating his time to SCIV only, not even TTT2. Why would a player such as him drop this entrie? I don't think is the laziness, there has to be another factor.
Wandrian
I don't know.
I think it is. The number of people that decided they didn't want to put in the work to relearning the game after its changes in subsequent sequels out of laziness and a desire for gratification seems notable, I think. "Oh, I already learned this game once. Learning it again isn't worth it, so I'll go back to the one I already knew." Do you really think it's something different? I'm not criticizing or trying to argue though, I'm sincerely asking. I know as scrubby as I am I've no business criticizing as that may come off >.> So I try not to. It's just to me, it seems like copping out as much as all the worst scrubs with an attempt to use their skill level to try and mask it actually being a scrub excuse.
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
I'm sure is something different, I know tons of players, even tournament winner players (Omega, Ragnarok) that aren't playing this game anymore and they already learn the inside outs of this game, so is not scrubiness, I mean, if they won a tournament in this game is cause they dedicated a lot of time, so is not laziness also.
D.I.N.O
[11] Champion
I've defected....
...becuz my PS3 is busted. Now I play StatCraft 2, League of Legends, and UMVC3 at my friends until I fix this problem.
The Sadd part is, is that this Cycle of Community Activity and Deactivity has happened since SC2.
...becuz my PS3 is busted. Now I play StatCraft 2, League of Legends, and UMVC3 at my friends until I fix this problem.
The Sadd part is, is that this Cycle of Community Activity and Deactivity has happened since SC2.
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
I'm also playing StarC2 :D, just hope you are using Toss or Terrans, I hate zergs :S
SinsOfSalvation
[10] Knight
the changes between sc4 and ac5 were too much. some were not even needed. and since every character is missing half their moves, theres just not enough meat left.
AVNjonnitti
Hot Dog
The reason why everyone is dropping this game is either because A. people dont show up to tournaments or B. they dont want to put the time in to learn how to beat Viola which i think is the worst excuse in the world to drop a game. If marvel players were able to beat pheonix, wesker, morigan, foot footdive and all the bullshit, then we can do it. If a bunch of clowns can put so much hard effort and time into some completely ass game we can do it for a good game. This community just comes across to me as lazy and it really saddens me because i love this game. Also, I don't think anyone remembers the days when a game came out, and that's it, no patch. Everyone should just shut the hell up and deal with it. It's not that hard to work together to develop tech. Oh wait, it is because nobody gets off their ass and goes to events or has sessions for this game. Again, this community comes across as lazy and it shows that there are things in this game that to 80% of the community is "broken" but doesn't win tournaments.
As for me? Am I "defected"? I guess to an extent. I want to be a top player in this game but it's so hard to find motivation when every time I look at this site there are people complaining about shit and when I show up to a tournament I'm sometimes literally the only one there entering Calibur. Sure, I myself can even make it out to more events but it shouldn't be that the only tournament people in NY/NJ/PA show up to is Jaxeldome. There are other people out there TRYING to support our scene but people just don't give a fuck. The only time I get to play really is online and it's not satisfying at all when you know that your win record, rank or whoever you beat online means jack shit as far as who you are as a player.
As for me? Am I "defected"? I guess to an extent. I want to be a top player in this game but it's so hard to find motivation when every time I look at this site there are people complaining about shit and when I show up to a tournament I'm sometimes literally the only one there entering Calibur. Sure, I myself can even make it out to more events but it shouldn't be that the only tournament people in NY/NJ/PA show up to is Jaxeldome. There are other people out there TRYING to support our scene but people just don't give a fuck. The only time I get to play really is online and it's not satisfying at all when you know that your win record, rank or whoever you beat online means jack shit as far as who you are as a player.
UnseenWombat
[14] Master
I can only speak for myself, but I expect it may be true with others as well. There are only so many hours in a day, and when you are inundated with so many great fighting games, you can only spread yourself so thin. I have a full time job, 2 kids, loads of work to do around the house, and at the end of the day, I have maybe 2 hours that I can devote to playing one of a myriad of fighting games. Since I only play fighting games, this was never really a problem for me before, because there usually weren't too many new ones out at the same time, but now there's SC, DOA, VF, TTT, some weeaboo anime fighter, and another retarded NRS superhero game. I'm only trying to juggle three of them, others may be looking at more. When you have new fighters coming out every 6 or 8 months, the days when a game was still "new" one year after release are over, and SC is starting to get a little old by that standard.
There's no way anyone can argue that SC5 is not almost perfect from a hardcore tournament standpoint (Viola shenanigans excluded). It's the best it's been since SC2, so I don't think the tourney guys have any cause to complain. I think it's more likely just a case of wanting to be more rounded in multiple games, which is kinda what Xeph said.
There's no way anyone can argue that SC5 is not almost perfect from a hardcore tournament standpoint (Viola shenanigans excluded). It's the best it's been since SC2, so I don't think the tourney guys have any cause to complain. I think it's more likely just a case of wanting to be more rounded in multiple games, which is kinda what Xeph said.
hotX
[10] Knight
I'm currently on hiatus at the moment. I haven't been able to get online working properly and haven't found any sparring partners.
I think I'll be able to start going to events soon. No matter what I'll be at ECT (presuming SC will be there).
I think I'll be able to start going to events soon. No matter what I'll be at ECT (presuming SC will be there).
ArcticKomodo
[11] Champion
I'm guilty of defecting to SCIV. So silly.
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