Using A+B to space in certain MUs

[AndyrooSC]

With ZWEI vs some characters its not a bad idea to control space and keep your opponent at a distance. Moves like Ivy 6(b), Natsu 66B, Pyrrha 3B etc are unsafe but the pushback limits the amount of moves what can punish them and when done at tip range it becomes even less.

ZWEI has 2 of these god-blessed moves A+B and 66A+B. I will write up 66A+B vs the cast at a later time.

Lets look at A+Bs properties-
-Its i19, similar speed to an average launcher.
-On hit it grants a KND for 40 damage, sends them flying forward can forward RO.
-It has surprising range( for ZWEI that is) getting A+B to hit tip range is going to be key.

On block-
-It has pushback on block, not amazing pushback but good enough to work with.
-It is -16 on block, however even at closet range because of the pushback it will cause some characters AAs and BBs to whiff.
-It breaks in 10, not only are you keeping your opponent at a distance, your also hitting the guard gauge pretty hard aswell over time.

Im going to go though each member of the cast and list what or if they can punish ZWEI A+B at different ranges.

Patroklos
Closet range- B, 3K, 4K, 236B, CE
Medium range- CE
Tip range- nothing

ZWEI
Close- K, 6B
Medium - nothing
Far- nothing

Leixia
Close- BB , 6B , 4K, 6KK, CE
Medium- 6B, 6KK, CE
Tip- CE (watch their meter)

Natsu
Close - AA, A:6, 6B, 3B, KK2K, 6A+B
Medium- 6A+B
Tip- nothing

Ezio
Close - B, 1BBB, 3K, 6B, CE
Medium- CE
Tip - CE

Raph
Close - AA, 6AB, 3A, BB, 6BB, 2B, 6K, 3K, 3B, CE
Medium- 3B, CE
Tip - 3B

Viola
Close- 2B, 6A+B(with orb)
Medium- 6A+B(with orb)
Tip- nothing

Pyrrha
Close - BB, 6B, 236B, CE
Medium- 236B, CE
Tip - 236B(no stun) CE

Seig
Close - 6A, 66K(not 66k be) B6
Medium- B6
Tip- B6

Hlide
Close- 3K, 2A+B, CE
Medium- CE
Tip- CE

Xiba
Close - 6B, 3kB
Medium- nothing
Tip- nothing

Ivy
Close- 3K, BB, 6B8K
Medium- nothing
Tip- nothing

Cervantes
Close- 6A, 2A(yeah thats how godlike cervy 2a is), BB, 3K, aB, CE
Medium- CE
Tip- CE

Aeon
Close- 3A, 4B, 2B, 3K, 66K
Medium- nothing
Tip- nothing

Tira
Close- AA, BB, gloomy 2A, 2B, 3K, CE
Medium- gloomy BB, 3K, CE
Tip- CE

Nightmare
Close- 6A, 3K, 6K, 66K, agA
Medium- agA
Tip- nothing

Mitsurgi
Close- BB, 6A, 6B8, 2B, 1B, 6K, 3K, 236B, CE
Medium- B, 6A, 6b8, 2B, 1B, 6K, CE
Tip- CE

Maxi
Close- A, 2B, 3K, 6A+B, CE
Medium- 6A+B BE, CE
Tip- CE

Yoshi
Close- A, B, 2B, 6B, 3K, 6k
Medium- 2B
Tip- nothing

Dampierre
Close- K, 6A
Medium- nothing
Tip- nothing

Voldo
Close- 6B BE, 3K, 66B
Medium- 66B
Tip- nothing

Astaroth
Close- K, 4B, your also still in his command grab range
Medium- nothing just outside his grab range
Tip- nothing

Alpha Patroklos
Close- BB, 6B, 44B+K, JFT, CE
Medium- 44B+K, JFT, CE
Tip- JFT, CE

Algol
Close- A, 2A, BB, 6BB, 2B, K, 4BA
Medium- 2B, 4BA
Tip- nothing

Pyrrha Omega
Close- A, 6A, 6B, 1B, BB, 6K, 236B, DNS B, CE
Meduim- 236B, DNS B, CE
Tip- 236B(no stun), DNS B, CE

Put this in your match up books guys!

 

[MarKOed]

Seems like such a nightmare against Oprah at any range ;-;
Tbh I'm surprised that Ivy can't punish at medium range I thought she would have something to go against A+B

 

[AndyrooSC]

Seems like such a nightmare against Oprah at any range ;-;
Tbh I'm surprised that Ivy can't punish at medium range I thought she would have something to go against A+B

Yeah against Omega i'd use A+B only for an easy whiff punisher, i wouldnt use 1(B) either in that MU. I'd use B+K, 66A+B and 4(A) against her for spacing and bait a 66A, 66B, DNS B so i can JG.
Ivy isnt as a bad of a MU as people think, get the life lead and turtle, force her to take risks if she is gonna do 66A or 6(a) then she gotta hope you didnt bait and duck it for 80 damage what pushes her back out again

 

[AndyrooSC]

Seems like such a nightmare against Oprah at any range ;-;
Tbh I'm surprised that Ivy can't punish at medium range I thought she would have something to go against A+B

Oh and Avoid using mid screen Ein charges against her as she can whiff puinsh you for it, stick to A+B, B+K, 66A+B and dancing outside of her range

 

[TheNamesEpic92]

Not bad at all Andy! :D do more of these man :P

 

[MarKOed]

At EVO when we first started casuals we had everything pre-patched and 66 A+B felt so much different