Character Roster is culturally uneven

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Slade said:
The USA's history of slavery is more recent than those of many European countries.
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In addition to this, it is important to remember that laws encouraging discrimination against black people continued to exist in many parts of the country until very recently. This still has an effect in American culture.

I'd also like to add how fucked up many people's perception of race is in many partss of . White people from places other than Northern EU or NA are often considered be "impure" or "not fully white," to the point where "Hispanic" is a separate option in census and polls, regardless of the person's actual ethnicity (so a German-Chilean, an "indio" Mexican, and an Afro-Dominican would all fall under the same category). This stems from all the way back to before the Civil War, when the rich plantation owners spread racist propaganda to ensure anyone who wasn't an educated Anglo-Saxon would remain in the lower end of the social spectrum (which is where bullshit myths like "THE BLACK IRISH" and "THE MOORS WERE NIGGERS" come from).

What's fucked up is that these ideas remain widely accepted among the general public. There is a gigantic stigma to racial mixing outside of large liberal cities like NYC or LA, to the point where most neighborhoods are racially homogeneous. You've even got people who cast their vote based solely on the race of the politicians.... many people voted against Obama just because of his black ancestry, and many voted for him for that same reason.
 
Im pretty sure zas b+k was named pimp hand in his movelist specifcally because he was black.

I think this guy wanting zas is racist because he doesnt want to play as an asian or white character.

Not liking certain characters based on race is fucked up man.
in sc6 we need a knights templar character who is a white supremecist. I think it will be a great addition
 
Alex.J said:
You can relate to a character who isn't black because of his personality? Funny enough, since Ichi wanted to drop MLK's name. I'm sure that's the kind of thinking MLK wanted. There needs to be acceptance with equality. He wanted people to be able to relate and communicate with other races. You can only relate with black characters? Seems a little shallow. Ichi still drawing lines and race barriers. Even to the extent of calling people Nazi's and KKK members. True equality isn't forcing black people into everything. 1 black person in Calibur and suddenly it's an acceptable and equal game? Doesn't really work that way. Here is an excerpt from MLK's famous speech.



His speech wasn't about retaliation or aggression. It was more about acceptance and understanding. You could learn a lot from him Ichi. Your self serving ideology in here is way more flawed than you can ever realize.
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yeah but he didnt say it was wrong to feel comfortable with others who look like you its only wrong when you exclude thos who dont look like you and arguing agaisnt me makes it seem like your for the latter. how can SC live by the code of MLK if black characters cant confer with white characters because theyre arent any. im not excluding white characters im saying add a black one in the mix. you have no good reason to be against me asking this question because im not excluding like you all seem to want but im including, adding, fuckin, apparatusing whatever. it will add to the game not take away, but you arguing ohterwise makes you sound like a segragationist.
 
Alex.J said:
But would this really fix the problem? How about that 1 Persian person who wants a Persian character to identify with. He essentially has the same exact complaint you do. But since it has to do with Persians instead of blacks, it doesn't matter? All he is asking for is 1 Persian character to identify with. Is that so much to ask for?
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black is an overiding identity, includes alot of people of african decent where as persian is very specific.Persians are considered Arabs (though that can be aruged as much as white ppl like to argue that ancient egyptians wernt black) and arab would be to black what persian is to nigerian. seeing that it is more diffuclt to pin down and the black demographic is easier to lump in one group it would be more profitable to add a black character than a persian but HELLS YEAH if the want a character let them take the initiative and ask for one or send them a character model
 
WARUI_NE said:
Im pretty sure zas b+k was named pimp hand in his movelist specifcally because he was black.

I think this guy wanting zas is racist because he doesnt want to play as an asian or white character.

Not liking certain characters based on race is fucked up man.
in sc6 we need a knights templar character who is a white supremecist. I think it will be a great addition
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its funny how every one is raging at me for standing up for something im somewhat passionate about but when trash like this comes on the thread you guys dont say shit. i play as tira, raphael, workshoping yoshimitsu, and workshopping hilde by the way.
 
Onyyx said:
You haven't answered why they have to appeal to you though. You could be off playing something else, or making your own game.

BUT WORK IS HARD, I'D RATHER COMPLAIN ON THE INTERNET.
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i work else where homie but tht doesnt mean i can at least ask for something i want and id like it if youd stop projecting the stereotype of a lazy black man on me. makes u look a tid bit racist
 
Pocky-Yoshi said:
You got some inferiority complex issues in regards to losing both Talim and Zas(mainly him due to skin color).

I might as well be offended and jealous since I lost the only 2 characters that are Black(There was no Jamaican) and Filipino respectively. Thus I should be hating on Caucasians and Asians person that get plenty of inaccurate yet diverse characters to relate to their skin color.

Oddly I'm not since I can relate to Yoshimitsu who in no matters is black. But I guess I'm shallow going for personality, right?
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stop putting WORDS in my mouth I PLAY WITH OHTER CHARACTERS U FUCKING TWAT. I PLAY RAPHAEL TIRA AND YOSHIMITSU so fuck off damn come with an argument without assumptions
 
Norik said:
In addition to this, it is important to remember that laws encouraging discrimination against black people continued to exist in many parts of the country until very recently. This still has an effect in American culture.

I'd also like to add how fucked up many people's perception of race is in many partss of . White people from places other than Northern EU or NA are often considered be "impure" or "not fully white," to the point where "Hispanic" is a separate option in census and polls, regardless of the person's actual ethnicity (so a German-Chilean, an "indio" Mexican, and an Afro-Dominican would all fall under the same category). This stems from all the way back to before the Civil War, when the rich plantation owners spread racist propaganda to ensure anyone who wasn't an educated Anglo-Saxon would remain in the lower end of the social spectrum (which is where bullshit myths like "THE BLACK IRISH" and "THE MOORS WERE NIGGERS" come from).

What's fucked up is that these ideas remain widely accepted among the general public. There is a gigantic stigma to racial mixing outside of large liberal cities like NYC or LA, to the point where most neighborhoods are racially homogeneous. You've even got people who cast their vote based solely on the race of the politicians.... many people voted against Obama just because of his black ancestry, and many voted for him for that same reason.
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heres that answer
MAGE to why race is black white and brown in america instead of nigerian russian and idigenous of mexico
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
yeah but he didnt say it was wrong to feel comfortable with others who look like you its only wrong when you exclude thos who dont look like you and arguing agaisnt me makes it seem like your for the latter. how can SC live by the code of MLK if black characters cant confer with white characters because theyre arent any. im not excluding white characters im saying add a black one in the mix. you have no good reason to be against me asking this question because im not excluding like you all seem to want but im including, adding, fuckin, apparatusing whatever. it will add to the game not take away, but you arguing ohterwise makes you sound like a segragationist.
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I'm fine with Zas coming back. I just don't agree with your ideology at all. You make it sound like this great travesty that Namco, a Japanese video game company removed a black dude. Like somehow this is what is wrong with the world. It isn't, you are full of shit. You act the victim and call "racist" at every turn you can. But at the same time you call people Nazi's and KKK members? If we want to keep talking about MLK. He was a strong advocate against militancy. He also wanted all races to get along. How is barging in here, calling everyone a racist. Calling white dudes derogatory terms and other insults even remotely what MLK wanted? When you look at Rosa Parks who fought to sit on the same side of the bus as white people and then take a look at your struggle. Your struggle pretty much looks like a joke. But keep on fighting the good fight lol.
 
Ichi I don't know why you are insulting other members when you brought it upon yourself by replying to this thread. You are basically saying that it's wrong to have no black people in anything, so if there was no black people on a TV advertisement this would be wrong? In the UK black people are quite a minority compared to white people so a lot of them call us racist for the tiniest things.
 
Mage said:
Ichi I don't know why you are insulting other members when you brought it upon yourself by replying to this thread. You are basically saying that it's wrong to have no black people in anything, so if there was no black people on a TV advertisement this would be wrong? In the UK black people are quite a minority compared to white people so a lot of them call us racist for the tiniest things.
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According to Wikipedia, U.S. population consists of 12.6% black people. And that 12.6% should be in video games 100%. Because to leave them out would be 100% racist and 100% "segragationist". You understand Mage?
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
black is an overiding identity, includes alot of people of african decent where as persian is very specific.Persians are considered Arabs (though that can be aruged as much as white ppl like to argue that ancient egyptians wernt black) and arab would be to black what persian is to nigerian. seeing that it is more diffuclt to pin down and the black demographic is easier to lump in one group it would be more profitable to add a black character than a persian but HELLS YEAH if the want a character let them take the initiative and ask for one or send them a character model
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Persians may be random to you. But if Namco wants it's product to sell in Persia. According to your logic, it needs a Persian character to sell. TBH, other than you. I doubt many people go, "Oh, there's a black character in this game, okay, I'll buy it". I assume the average gamer in America goes, "Oh, that game looks fun, I'll buy it". Giving little thought to the racial diversity of the game. Therefore making your point of adding black people into fighting games to boost sales a moot one. Honestly Namco would bump their sales more by adding a character like Link or Darth Vader back in the game. Since I have heard multiple people buy this game because of gimmicks like that. Not once have I heard that someone buy SC3 or SC4 because Zas was in it, not one.
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
i work else where homie but tht doesnt mean i can at least ask for something i want and id like it if youd stop projecting the stereotype of a lazy black man on me. makes u look a tid bit racist
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Ha ha holy shit I wasn't even stereotyping, it is literally the case that you yourself could be doing something about this but you're choosing to complain on an internet forum instead.
 
Its only racist if white people do ot alex. Duh
White males be oppressing zas even though namco is a japanese company. Im sure wcmaxi the whitest man ever had something to do with no zas
 
Alex.J said:
Persians may be random to you. But if Namco wants it's product to sell in Persia. According to your logic, it needs a Persian character to sell. TBH, other than you. I doubt many people go, "Oh, there's a black character in this game, okay, I'll buy it". I assume the average gamer in America goes, "Oh, that game looks fun, I'll buy it". Giving little thought to the racial diversity of the game. Therefore making your point of adding black people into fighting games to boost sales a moot one. Honestly Namco would bump their sales more by adding a character like Link or Darth Vader back in the game. Since I have heard multiple people buy this game because of gimmicks like that. Not once have I heard that someone buy SC3 or SC4 because Zas was in it, not one.
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yes but it wont hurt in the long run. and you dont know if someone used to main zas or talim just said fuck SC or not

Mage said:
Ichi I don't know why you are insulting other members when you brought it upon yourself by replying to this thread. You are basically saying that it's wrong to have no black people in anything, so if there was no black people on a TV advertisement this would be wrong? In the UK black people are quite a minority compared to white people so a lot of them call us racist for the tiniest things.
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no, im saying its wrong for you to bar me from asking, certainy not everthing needs a black person shoved in it though it would probably be more realistic but a game that used to pride itself on diversity definitely has more responsibility say then Games of Thrones or the first Assasssins Creeds. the assassin creed during the american revolution oh they have a big fucking responsibilty but the first Assassin Creed not so much.
 
Mage said:
Ichi I don't know why you are insulting other members when you brought it upon yourself by replying to this thread. You are basically saying that it's wrong to have no black people in anything, so if there was no black people on a TV advertisement this would be wrong? In the UK black people are quite a minority compared to white people so a lot of them call us racist for the tiniest things.
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i am only showing that i can play this game of troll just as much as an Alex J. or a Norick. but i will insult ppl if the put words in my mouth. again u seem like the only person who has tried to take a step in understanding the conversation without being a dick about it
 
Onyyx said:
Ha ha holy shit I wasn't even stereotyping, it is literally the case that you yourself could be doing something about this but you're choosing to complain on an internet forum instead.
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just watch who you imply is lazy or not and this is what the thread is for to start conversations that may lead to bigger endeavors
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
black is an overiding identity, includes alot of people of african decent where as persian is very specific. Persians are considered Arabs (though that can be aruged as much as white ppl like to argue that ancient egyptians wernt black)
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LOL here's where your skewed American perceptions fuck you up. There is only one black ethnicity in North America: mutt African American. Forced interbreeding of slaves from different parts of west Africa plus master-to-slave rape and random mating with Irish servants earlier on created a homogeneous black ethnicity, which later went on to populate different parts of the country. Black is an all encompassing ethnicity in America, only history deniers have a problem understanding this. Same with white Americans, they're all mutts with blood from all over Europe and traces of black.

Your Iranian/Arab analogy holds no water. Stop cherry-picking the parts of history you want to believe.
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
and you dont know if someone used to main zas or talim just said fuck SC or not.
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What about people who mained Cassandra or Amy? Does that make PS racist against white people? And what about people who mained Mina or Yun? Does that mean they're racist against Asians? Again, cherry-picking.

PS: If you must respond to various messages, please do so in one post. Your double-posting is annoying.
PSS: You call us trolls and dicks, yet you're the one calling us names.
PSSS: Please proof-read before you post, it's difficult to read poorly spelled, poorly punctuated, and poorly capitalized posts.
PSSSS: Egyptians were neither "white" nor "black" in the modern sense, they were Mediterranean. We know this because they drew themselves lighter than their black slaves and tanner than their Mesopotamian and Semitic neighbors, and DNA testing of well preserved mummies reveals equal proportions of Berbid and Somalid haplogroups. Once again, just cherry-picking to match your racist views.
 
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