Soul Calibur 6 Discussion

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Mr Oak said:
These forums have the most aggressive mods I've ever seen, people need to start calming down a bit.

Also I've found that bright cute younger girls tend to have a more widespread appeal than older more baddass ones when it comes to videogame and anime characters. I still don't see the point in stating who has a more a widespread appeal though, like that's supposed to undermine the other person's love for their character.
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I've seen how things can devolve here. And there are certain members and their dumb ass respondents who have been known to get aggressive and will take a thread off track for days. I will do what I must to try to keep that from going on too long.
 
Nyte said:
But do we really need to go on about this stuff? Let's just be happy we're getting our favorite characters back.
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If you want to be happy, be happy. Yet you go on about Daishi everyday like he's responsible for every single thing about SCV when much of the game was outsourced and he's not the producer, and go on the defensive anytime Taki is brought up.

We have no idea what mistakes Hoshino is going to make, but so far we had SC2HDO ported using the PAL version of the game with trash online, and Lost Swords milking people with slutty outfits. Let's see what SC6 actually looks like first.
 
For a second there I thought you were showing a video for SCVI, then I was crushed. Oh well, just a little more waiting to go.
 
Here's hoping they just retcon all of SCV, story and gameplay mechanics alike. And yeah, Daishi WAS responsible for a lot of the decisions in that game, so I totally understand the hate he gets.
 
Vergeben said:
However, it's what they decide to do with her that's the most curious to me....

Speaking solely about Soul Calibur V, I recall that there was quite a lot of fan curiosity regarding Talim aging 17 years for that back then (being 31 years old on there, had she been on it) but that obviously didn't happen as she wasn't on the game at all, which was still to the day an odd move due to her age being only 16 prior to SCV, so that would not have been an "issue." I will come out and say I don't know why they didn't use her on V.
Maybe they were afraid to age her? I'm not sure.
Maybe they had thought aging her would somehow kill her appeal?
Which isn't the case at all because people were very engaged and curious trying to imagine what she'd look like as an adult and a full blown wind priestess, which her design could have reflected.
I am personally intrigued how they will go with her. If they will feel they have to retain her "image" as being the "kid" of the series still, or just make her a short adult.
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I just want to touch on this subject, because I think this is THE reason why Talim wasn't in SoulCalibur V. If I might digress, there was an interview with Yoko Taro in early November about how he creates his characters (Yoko Taro explains 7 step process creating videogame characters). One of those seven steps is how he considers his fans, so he designs characters to appeal to a specific demographic. A few examples of this the fact father Nier (Gestalt) was to appeal to a western audience, the younger Nier (Replicant) to the Japanese and how the characters Kaine, 2B, and A2 became hugely popular because of their sexy designs. He also mentions that he "betrays" what his fans expect (and believe me, he DOES).

What does this has to do with Talim not appearing in SCV? She was created to appeal to specific demographic, in this case casuals who like cute characters. By making her older, Namco probably believed she would no longer appeal to that demographic. Aging the "cute girl" would betray the fans' expectations, since she would be placed into a "veteran category" with Ivy, Sophitia, Hilde [somewhat], and Taki. That might also explain why Viola was never explicitly revealed to be Amy (despite so many hints saying she is). Vioa/Amy was also fulfilling the "who is this mysterious woman?" idea and they didn't want to repeat it by doing it with Talim (ZWEI was also marketed as myserious). They couldn't just age Talim nor re-introduce her like they did with Amy, so they exclude her from SoulCalibur V to preserve her character. Instead, Leixia was created to give casuals that "cute character," which she failed horribly to do.

This is just my theory surrounding why Talim was left out, but it may be true. Creating characters for a specific demographic is something the majority Japanese creators do, something they've done in Anime and Manga, too. If Talim is indeed returning to SCVI, they likely realize that keeping her in the dark for almost six years was bigger betrayal to her fans than aging her. Now, they want to take the risk.
 
I think it suggests that Talim is going to return the same as she did before, just got to see exactly how.
 
Can we please stop the "the character is better/more loved/has the biggest boobs"? It's getting annoying to see every other message that A is better than B... Please focus on the rumors and your hopes WITHOUT rubbing your preferences in everyone's face trying to convince people that you are right...

If Sophitia, Talim and Xianghua are back, that means that probably other characters are back too. Give it some time before the reveal, I'm sure that everyone will be satisfied.

Mr Oak said:
Two more days, people. We can do this.
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There won't be anything during TGA, so nothing before the 9th.
 
I just wonder how they're going to return. I doubt they'll age Talim for the reasons Reprobean specified, and Japanese devs in general are very weird about this stuff. The concept for Sophitia shows she hasn't aged much if at all, which kind of implies to me that the other women won't either. Maybe it'll be Astral Chaos or time manipulation or something like that.
 
REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
I just want to touch on this subject, because I think this is THE reason why Talim wasn't in SoulCalibur V. If I might digress, there was an interview with Yoko Taro in early November about how he creates his characters (Yoko Taro explains 7 step process creating videogame characters). One of those seven steps is how he considers his fans, so he designs characters to appeal to a specific demographic. A few examples of this the fact father Nier (Gestalt) was to appeal to a western audience, the younger Nier (Replicant) to the Japanese and how the characters Kaine, 2B, and A2 became hugely popular because of their sexy designs. He also mentions that he "betrays" what his fans expect (and believe me, he DOES).

What does this has to do with Talim not appearing in SCV? She was created to appeal to specific demographic, in this case casuals who like cute characters. By making her older, Namco probably believed she would no longer appeal to that demographic. Aging the "cute girl" would betray the fans' expectations, since she would be placed into a "veteran category" with Ivy, Sophitia, Hilde [somewhat], and Taki. That might also explain why Viola was never explicitly revealed to be Amy (despite so many hints saying she is). Vioa/Amy was also fulfilling the "who is this mysterious woman?" idea and they didn't want to repeat it by doing it with Talim (ZWEI was also marketed as myserious). They couldn't just age Talim nor re-introduce her like they did with Amy, so they exclude her from SoulCalibur V to preserve her character. Instead, Leixia was created to give casuals that "cute character," which she failed horribly to do.

This is just my theory surrounding why Talim was left out, but it may be true. Creating characters for a specific demographic is something the majority Japanese creators do, something they've done in Anime and Manga, too. If Talim is indeed returning to SCVI, they likely realize that keeping her in the dark for almost six years was bigger betrayal to her fans than aging her. Now, they want to take the risk.
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So you're saying Talim was like current DOA's marie rose? Talim was my favorite secondary in IV, and I hate marie rose
 
songohanx said:
Here's hoping they just retcon all of SCV, story and gameplay mechanics alike. And yeah, Daishi WAS responsible for a lot of the decisions in that game, so I totally understand the hate he gets.
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He gets the hate because casuals have nobody else to direct it towards while he's focused on the gameplay and balance, and while parts of the game like the story were outsourced and other areas were cut to get it out the door faster because they wouldn't give him more time to work on the game.

It's silly to direct all the hate at one person who's been gone for years.

minimaxi said:
So you're saying Talim was like current DOA's marie rose? Talim was my favorite secondary in IV, and I hate marie rose
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The shoe fits.
 
The amount of salt over a Facebook poll lol people are acting like every single SC fan voted in it and it's the worldwide consensus for every demographic.

But I guess it's been so long that I'd forgotten that 8wayrun runs on salt for the most part.
 
Ave said:
Interestingly, that new game announcement was just for PS4 and PC, it seems the rumours of an xbox release for SC6 probably being ignored are even more true .
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yeah. and that My Hero Academia game is also skipping Xbox.

but see. I can understand these more "niche" anime titles skipping Xbox.

but Soul Calibur?
 
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