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SE A at -6 doesn't make him unplayable.... unless you really suck...... if it was -60... ok that'll make him unplayable.... -6 means it's safe but you can't continue offense mindlessly.... it still makes SE A very good move regardless it's like Aeon 66A it's more than -6 for sure.... but...

General feeling of 1.02 patch now that I played more. is raphael nerfed? yes. to what degree? not much in my opinion.... I can see how others see it differently to me the biggest change for me is really 22B to 3(B) gone... and SE A on block is now -6.... those are the biggest nerfs for...

actually... 1.02 patch allows... prep K -> CE if you want that damage... after guard burst that is. -LAU

Thanks!!!

bump for sticky thread not updated. -LAU

Been playing NM a lot more lately.. my impression. NM has never been more safe and easy and simple right now it definitely feels that this version of NM is the strongest he's ever been -LAU

i really don't know what's so hard about this match up...... what am i missing tell me 66A.. blocked.. ok.. what's next? you can... either 1. take advantage of frame advantage. 2. back up 3. poke. --------------- he can't do crap against 22AA/88B..... if he tries to interupt those...

:( well the game is still new so don't be hard on yourself :) -LAU

so are you viola or mitsu or maxi? are you on XBL? -LAU

I heard the G button is pretty good in this match... -LAU

BLOCKING IS NEVER THE SOLUTION TO ANYTHING I MUST PRESS BUTTONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS -LAU

I guess i was just being vague but i do feel this move isnt used enough by most sieg players.... obviously depending on situation different punish is better.... im not gonna only do 22a when i can easily combo them and stuff i just think the move is under used thats all -LAU

this is why your focus should be on 22A because that shit never whiffs. -LAU

I can understand your double edge sword deal... as of now i just feel that this double edge sword is in more of NM favor.... might change my mind later when i play this version a few more weeks -LAU

I feel NM is stronger after this patch. and it's not because of 66B... it's thanks to the backdash nerf. -LAU

I dunno about you guys.... I never thought Siegfried was close to bottom tier to start with... but this patch just made him much stronger.... that's just how I personally feel -LAU

first BBB is m,m,m but i guess you're referring to 3(B), prep BB which is a natural combo.... 3(B) is mid... prep BB is h,h you gotta know a bit of raph when he gets into stance transitions. his MOST common way to go into stance is 3(B).... on hit like i mentioned before gives prep BB...

or maybe.... the reverse is read... and 1B:B is actually easier to do... so you're getting them just as often as before... hm... -LAU

Here's some preliminary tests.... keep in mind this is NOT a complete research... there are holes.... but it's a starting point. NM's game play should be focused on tip range 22AA and 88B simply because.... at tip range 22AA raphael can't punish it... .. his only punish is 3B if he's close...