Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
I didn't really get into him that much. I was more shocked than sad.
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SorceressSeren
[14] Master
I got in to Dany and him the most.
Obviously, I was pretty upset (anti-spoiler language) when what happened to Rhaego and Drogo happened.
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
My S1 DVDs were just returned to me today from the little old lady I'd lent them too. She said she wasn't sure if she liked it because the gore was "a bit OTT", even for her and her gory tastes. She also got a bit confused with the crossing storylines, but wants to see S2 because the ending left her "tingly".
And hey, welcome to the fandom guys! To be fair, Sean Bean dies in EVERYTHING he's in.
And hey, welcome to the fandom guys! To be fair, Sean Bean dies in EVERYTHING he's in.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
If what had happened didn't happen, I would have disliked Daenerys.
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
True. If none of that happened, she would have ended up a bitchy princess probably. She learned to become more independent with Drogo but still relied on him a lot.
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
But how does he die? THAT'S THE FUN PART ABOUT HAVING SEAN BEAN IN A MOVIE/SERIES!
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
Sean Bean Bingo.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
Shamelessly reposting my Mirri Maz Duur prophecy disection:
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east: The Martell sigil is a sun with a spear through it. Quentyn Martell comes to Daenerys who is in the east. Quentyn was born in the west (rose) and died in the east (set) from Viserion's flames. Quentyn seems to fulfill the sun rising in the west and setting in the east criteria.
When the seas go dry: During Daenerys' last chapter in ADwD, she notes that the Dothraki Sea is drying up and dying because autumn is beginning to affect Essos.
When mountains blow in the wind like leaves: During Daenerys' ASoS and ADwD chapters she describes some of the pyramids in Meereen as mountain-like. When Viserion and Rhaegal escape the fighting pit they were held in, they destroy several pyramids by burning them to ash and rubble, causing the debris to blow in the wind like leaves. Another possibility is the death of Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides (like dead leaves falling off of a tree).
When your womb quickens again: When Daenerys is in the Dothraki Sea, she eats berries that "did not poison her" and the next night she has her moon's blood. She notes that she hasn't bled since she was sold to Khal Drogo. It is safe to assume that Daenerys ate moon berries, which are used to make moon tea. Could Daenerys have been pregnant by Daario? It is completely possible, since he is the only man she had slept with long enough ago for his seed to have quickened in her womb. The moon berries most probably worked as a contraceptive and killed Daario Jr. (Thank the Old Gods, and the New).
Then he will return, and not before: Implications of Daenerys' death, but all of this was made before Drogo and Mirri Maz Duur's deaths.
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east: The Martell sigil is a sun with a spear through it. Quentyn Martell comes to Daenerys who is in the east. Quentyn was born in the west (rose) and died in the east (set) from Viserion's flames. Quentyn seems to fulfill the sun rising in the west and setting in the east criteria.
When the seas go dry: During Daenerys' last chapter in ADwD, she notes that the Dothraki Sea is drying up and dying because autumn is beginning to affect Essos.
When mountains blow in the wind like leaves: During Daenerys' ASoS and ADwD chapters she describes some of the pyramids in Meereen as mountain-like. When Viserion and Rhaegal escape the fighting pit they were held in, they destroy several pyramids by burning them to ash and rubble, causing the debris to blow in the wind like leaves. Another possibility is the death of Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides (like dead leaves falling off of a tree).
When your womb quickens again: When Daenerys is in the Dothraki Sea, she eats berries that "did not poison her" and the next night she has her moon's blood. She notes that she hasn't bled since she was sold to Khal Drogo. It is safe to assume that Daenerys ate moon berries, which are used to make moon tea. Could Daenerys have been pregnant by Daario? It is completely possible, since he is the only man she had slept with long enough ago for his seed to have quickened in her womb. The moon berries most probably worked as a contraceptive and killed Daario Jr. (Thank the Old Gods, and the New).
Then he will return, and not before: Implications of Daenerys' death, but all of this was made before Drogo and Mirri Maz Duur's deaths.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
Another shameless repost of prophecy disection:
Daenerys' vision of the dwarves "ravishing" the beautiful woman are a symbol for the five kings metaphorically raping Westeros. In Tyrion's words, a dwarf is no better than a bastard in their father's eyes, so the dwarves raping the woman symbolize illegitimate claims to the throne (like a bastard claiming inheritance belongs to them if trueborn heirs exist like Dany)
The next vision of a man with silver hair and purple eyes playing a silver harp for his newborn son is Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia of Dorne. Rhaegar reveals his motives of having three children and that baby Aegon is Azor Ahai reborn and the Prince that was Promised. Rhaegar says at the end of the vision, "He is the Prince that was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." This leads to the belief that Rhaegar wanted a third child but Elia was too weak to bear another, thus leading Rhaegar to kidnap (or entice) Lyanna Stark and impregnating her with Jon Snow.
Next, Daenerys sees a feast of corpses with a man with a wolf's head at the high seat, a wound through his heart. Obviously, the Red Wedding.
Daenerys then sees her childhood home in Braavos (house with the red door). Dany wishes she could simply live there in peace, but her duty lies elsewhere and her lust for Westeros may have grown stronger.
Then, Dany sees a man resembling Viserys saying "Let Robert be the king of ashes..." continuously. The man is Aerys II, the Mad King.
Dany is then shown several visions in rapid succession:
A flash of a stunted white lion in grass too tall for it. This is presumed to be Tyrion coming to Dany.
Rhaego, living and destroying cities with a banner of a winged stallion.
Viserys in molten gold.
Rhaegar's death.
Stannis holding a flaming sword, but casting no shadow. Many believe this to imply Stannis has sold himself, body and soul to R'hllor.
A cloth dragon on poles, being destroyed by a hero. The Mummer's Dragon vision is one of the most highly debated and controversial topic of the entire series. Many believe the mummer's dragon to mean a disguise or a fake dragon, meaning Aegon is false (a Blackfyre). Another theory is that Daenerys herself is the mummer's dragon meant to be fought be a hero (Aegon) and seen in a similar light as Stannis.
A winged stone dragon breaking free from a tower.
Dany's silver sprinting underneath the stars.
A corpse with bright eyes and gray lips smiling sadly on the prow of a ship. This has been believed to be Victarion, after attempting to take Dany's dragons. He will smile sadly knowing he has done what Euron could not: Steal dragons.
A line of copper-skinned naked crones leaving a lake and bowing before Dany. This is part of another largely supported theory that Daenerys is the Stallion that Mounts the World.
Lastly, I'd like to point out Quaithe's words to Daenerys in Dance:
"The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and themummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal."
Soon comes the pale mare: The man who rode into Dany's freedmen encampment was carrying a viral disease that spread quickly, giving everybody the runs.
And after her the others: Many believe the Others are massing at the Wall at this time, now that the bloody flux has run its course (mostly).
Kraken and Dark Flame: Victarion and Moqorro
Lion and Griffin: Tyrion and Jon Connington but JonCon hadn't left Essos then
The sun's son: Quentyn Martell
The mummer's dragon: Aegon
Trust none of them. This point causes many to think that they will hinder her.
Lastly, beware the perfumed seneschal: We are unsure if that means Varys/Illyrio, Reznak mo Reznak or Galazza Galare, the Green Grace. I believe Varys and Illyrio are the true perfumed seneschal and will attempt to make amends with Dany and marry her to Aegon (commonly referred to as Faegon, teehee).
Daenerys' vision of the dwarves "ravishing" the beautiful woman are a symbol for the five kings metaphorically raping Westeros. In Tyrion's words, a dwarf is no better than a bastard in their father's eyes, so the dwarves raping the woman symbolize illegitimate claims to the throne (like a bastard claiming inheritance belongs to them if trueborn heirs exist like Dany)
The next vision of a man with silver hair and purple eyes playing a silver harp for his newborn son is Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia of Dorne. Rhaegar reveals his motives of having three children and that baby Aegon is Azor Ahai reborn and the Prince that was Promised. Rhaegar says at the end of the vision, "He is the Prince that was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." This leads to the belief that Rhaegar wanted a third child but Elia was too weak to bear another, thus leading Rhaegar to kidnap (or entice) Lyanna Stark and impregnating her with Jon Snow.
Next, Daenerys sees a feast of corpses with a man with a wolf's head at the high seat, a wound through his heart. Obviously, the Red Wedding.
Daenerys then sees her childhood home in Braavos (house with the red door). Dany wishes she could simply live there in peace, but her duty lies elsewhere and her lust for Westeros may have grown stronger.
Then, Dany sees a man resembling Viserys saying "Let Robert be the king of ashes..." continuously. The man is Aerys II, the Mad King.
Dany is then shown several visions in rapid succession:
A flash of a stunted white lion in grass too tall for it. This is presumed to be Tyrion coming to Dany.
Rhaego, living and destroying cities with a banner of a winged stallion.
Viserys in molten gold.
Rhaegar's death.
Stannis holding a flaming sword, but casting no shadow. Many believe this to imply Stannis has sold himself, body and soul to R'hllor.
A cloth dragon on poles, being destroyed by a hero. The Mummer's Dragon vision is one of the most highly debated and controversial topic of the entire series. Many believe the mummer's dragon to mean a disguise or a fake dragon, meaning Aegon is false (a Blackfyre). Another theory is that Daenerys herself is the mummer's dragon meant to be fought be a hero (Aegon) and seen in a similar light as Stannis.
A winged stone dragon breaking free from a tower.
Dany's silver sprinting underneath the stars.
A corpse with bright eyes and gray lips smiling sadly on the prow of a ship. This has been believed to be Victarion, after attempting to take Dany's dragons. He will smile sadly knowing he has done what Euron could not: Steal dragons.
A line of copper-skinned naked crones leaving a lake and bowing before Dany. This is part of another largely supported theory that Daenerys is the Stallion that Mounts the World.
Lastly, I'd like to point out Quaithe's words to Daenerys in Dance:
"The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and themummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal."
Soon comes the pale mare: The man who rode into Dany's freedmen encampment was carrying a viral disease that spread quickly, giving everybody the runs.
And after her the others: Many believe the Others are massing at the Wall at this time, now that the bloody flux has run its course (mostly).
Kraken and Dark Flame: Victarion and Moqorro
Lion and Griffin: Tyrion and Jon Connington but JonCon hadn't left Essos then
The sun's son: Quentyn Martell
The mummer's dragon: Aegon
Trust none of them. This point causes many to think that they will hinder her.
Lastly, beware the perfumed seneschal: We are unsure if that means Varys/Illyrio, Reznak mo Reznak or Galazza Galare, the Green Grace. I believe Varys and Illyrio are the true perfumed seneschal and will attempt to make amends with Dany and marry her to Aegon (commonly referred to as Faegon, teehee).
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
Sweet Jesus. George has a lot to cover before he ends the series, but he's still got two more books to do it at least XD
The only theories I've really gotten in to are Azor Ahai theories and Jon's mother.
With the Drogo one, how would he come back? I mean that'd be the greatest thing ever and I'd love to see Drogo's reaction when he sees his widow has three god damn dragons, but he was cremated and everything. At least Cat was just thrown in a river, and she still has her wounds but she's still walking about.
The only theories I've really gotten in to are Azor Ahai theories and Jon's mother.
With the Drogo one, how would he come back? I mean that'd be the greatest thing ever and I'd love to see Drogo's reaction when he sees his widow has three god damn dragons, but he was cremated and everything. At least Cat was just thrown in a river, and she still has her wounds but she's still walking about.
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
Being a fan of the "Patchface Targaryen" theory, I'd like to believe the "Mummer Dragon" in fact refers to PF.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
Denial. It's ALL ABOUT Stannis. (Not even my favourite house, or character. Wat. WHAT!?)
So, where does Khal Drogo buy Dany's clothes?
Dothraki Perkins.
Slade
[14] Master
Troy.
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
He forces Lazhareen child slaves to sew her garments out of their tears and their tendons.
Also, they're making a GoT game on facebook, and even though it's a facebook game, it looks... Interesting. Though I JUST heard about it today, it's super early in developement, and I don't even know what the hell kind of game it'll be. It said strategy so I was hoping for something like warcraft/starcraft, but on FB... I don't know.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
Don't get your hopes up, I'm thinking something like Mafia Wars.
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
I hope not. I saw it on facebook and got all excited but wasn't as excited when I saw it was FOR facebook. XD
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
Nah man, he dies. You just blinked and missed it. The other guy is his twin brother, Saen Bean.
As long as it played into who your friends were and their houses and had that deal with alliances and stuff, might be interesting. Never going to be GOOD though, sadly.
SorceressSeren
[14] Master
Yeah. I was thinking a strategy based game, or maybe even an MMO.
A Song of Ice and Fire game done like Dragon age or Mass Effect? My god, yes
WindupSkeleton
[14] Master
As far as SoIaF games go, if it has Dark Souls style combat, I AM THERE LIKE A PEAR (wot) because Dragon Age's combat didn't effect me massively.
But as for the FB game, colour me intrigued.
But as for the FB game, colour me intrigued.