Siegfried SCV Non-Gameplay Related Discussion

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ShadowCollector said:
Synraii said he was Mediocre in SCIV and previous installments. I said he wasn't because he has a good amount of match-ups for him.

We all know Sieg is on the Mid tier level along with Vader, Raph, and Cass. But he is far from being Mediocre in any shape or form.
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No, being mid/lower mid tier is pretty mediocre. Cassandra is pretty high above him in the tier rankings, as well...he was also the lowest of mid tiers in SCIII (comparatively, since there was some REALLY stupid shit in there), and as Nightmare in SCII he was also mid. Siegfried has never been anything but mediocre - most people consider stances as a gimmick since most of the cast can AA/BB you out of it if they block the transition, and his effective, safe moves outside of stance are extremely limited - agA, B6, 1K, 2A. That's all he's had for a long time, and it's never been anywhere enough to put him above mid-tier - above mediocrity.
 
Synraii said:
I'd put Zas as a 6:4 myself, but Heaton used to main him.
Same for Yun, but that's going on theory - nobody uses him in the tournaments I go to.
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Not so much mained, but dabbled in - I could never give up Siegfried. Honestly, it's one of those "Ehhh hard to tell" match-ups. Zasalamel has the tools to deal with Siegfried, and vice versa - it's extremely hard to say whose are more effective. Zas's linearity is less of a problem with Siegfried's shitty step, and Siegfried's unsafety is a bit less of a problem with Zas's shitty punishers. I got my ass handed to me by Omega at DEV, and he showed me some interesting stuff that Zas can do - therefore, 5:5 unless I curbstomp him at NEC.

My Yun-seong guide is based entirely on my own use of Yun-seong, theory, and advice from mikosu. The problem is, as you said: nobody uses him.
 
HRD said:
Its called speculative discussion. You dont have to participate if you dont want to. I suggest you dont!!

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Speaking of, you've been oddly quiet on this. What are your thoughts on Siegfried so far?
 
ShadowCollector said:
Wow he Soul Crushed Amy at the end. Is there a video of this match without the music? I want to hear the crowd reaction to seeing Amy lose to a sieg player.
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No - Furzy recorded the video output straight onto his laptop, so they were recorded in HD as a trade for surrounding noise. =/
Basically, it sounded like a large explosion ^^

Also - somebody tell Lobo to follow through with his threat and just delete this idiot's account - do us all a favour.

Finally - whatever HRD said: that.
I'm the SCIV Sieg mod - when the game comes out I want to switch to mod this board and I'm not likely to clutter it with pointless shit, am I? >_>
 
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ShadowCollector said:
Well he can't get any worse (Can he???). Still rooting for Raphael to be high tier.

But NDK is right. Why makes sieg so High tier now?
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For what I have seen is all the match ups in the stances, dealing insane damage and safer than ever. Also seems that BE gave him quite the boost :)
 
NDK said:
So what is making Siggy so good now? I'm not seeing any details o.O
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Ask Ring yourself: What I got out of the guy was: Stupid high NH damage, An answer to every situation and just general hellishness for all the other characters to deal with in France. =/
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Synraii said:
Ask Ring yourself: What I got out of the guy was: Stupid high NH damage, An answer to every situation and just general hellishness for all the other characters to deal with in France. =/
Me like! ^^
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Are you telling me Mitsu will have a harder time against Sieg now?
 
Mitsu already has a hard time with Siegfried.
Sieg wins on SG damage, Throws, RO potential, Punishing, Safety (lol) and controls space better.

If you can JUKE 2KB consistently, Mitsu becomes a throw/mid type, Sieg wins the spacing game and is effectively fighting an unsafe Xianghua with more damage potential. This is hard for Sieg?
Nah - 5:5 easily.
 
NDK said:
So what is making Siggy so good now? I'm not seeing any details o.O
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So like, remember how during our casuals back in the room at DEV, if you blocked any of my stance transitions, you'd press some buttons and Kilik would do a dick dance on me, and that there was absolutely no option I could take from a blocked stance transition to defend myself?

So now, let's say you block 3(B). And you're thinking "I'ma do AA because Heaton hates AA, and I love trolling Heaton as much as he loves them balls." But lo and behold, I shift to SBH, aGI your horizontal (even though it's a high and I'm tech crouching - GET HYPE), and I just SBH B ~ 44K'd your ass out of the ring, instead of you doing some dumb Kilik stuff and making me rage. The same thing can happen with SCH's sidestep - we can now reasonably defend ourselves from a blocked stance transition. We can aGI horizontals (all levels) with SBH, tech crouch with SBH, side step with SCH, backstep with SSH, and stuff slow, all catching moves with SCH K.

Also, damage. Lots and lots of damage.

HRD said:
Synraii....clean this thread up will you?

HRD
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We don't have moderators for the SCV Siegfried SA yet.
 
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