The Intro-vent Lounge

indeed and Tekken Tag 2 has copy protection, it don't want let you copy your save data to your computer via USB.
 
Yeah, save limits can be really limiting sometimes. With SC5 I have a main save of up to 45 re-creations. The I use usb copies to make other themed sets of 50 creations.

Lately, I've been getting bored of seeing and posting lots of creations with little discussion, even though most of the creations I've seen here are really awesome. I'm thinking about making a thread where I will go more in depth discussing my creations and the techniques I use for making them. In the thread I would probably focus on discussing one character/technique/topic at a time and exchange questions, tips and tricks about of them.
 
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Retrotator1 said:
Yeah, save limits can be really limiting sometimes. With SC5 I have a main save of up to 45 re-creations. The I use usb copies to make other themed sets of 50 creations.

Lately, I've been getting bored of seeing and posting lots of creations with little discussion, even though most of the creations I've seen here are really awesome. I'm thinking about making a thread where I will go more in depth discussing my creations and the techniques I use for making them. In the thread I would probably focus on discussing one character/technique/topic at a time and exchange questions, tips and tricks about of them.
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We often have in-depth discussions in the CaS Review Thread. Of course, you can also just ask me to do a detailed write-up on an particular CaS. Most people on the forums just wanna chill, but I'm always down for a good ol' fashioned argument/debate lol. Most importantly though, recreations don't have much to critique since only accuracy really matters. The interesting conversations can only happen on original creations (about design choices, coloring, coherence, etc.)
 
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I understand. Since I'm usually more interested in re-creations, my posts here might be mostly about helping with technical things about CaS.
 
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brucege said:
We often have in-depth discussions in the CaS Review Thread. Of course, you can also just ask me to do a detailed write-up on an particular CaS. Most people on the forums just wanna chill, but I'm always down for a good ol' fashioned argument/debate lol. Most importantly though, recreations don't have much to critique since only accuracy really matters. The interesting conversations can only happen on original creations (about design choices, coloring, coherence, etc.)
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I've used your review thread before and I think it's one of the best thread ideas here.
I agree that original characters have more to critique. Now that I think about it, maybe re-creations aren't usually that interesting unless someone is a fan of the re-created character, or someone makes costume parts that are unusual for CaS. I have an idea though for making re-creation posts more interesting though. I think it helps if a linked reference picture is posted along with the creation so that the transition into CaS can be seen.

I appreciate original work, but I'm not very good at originals since I'm more of a technical kind of person. I'm mostly here to share strategies for making costume parts.
 
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I think you are actually pretty talented @Retrotator1, you do stuff that is pretty hard to achieve, recreations may be cool, but at the same time they are ever so limited, so I would really like to see some original stuff by you.
 
Here's a question for fun.

What are some of your favorite battles between your re-creations?

mine are:

Mr. Clean vs. Shrek
Yogi Bear vs. Winnie the Pooh
Arnold (Magic School Bus) vs. Flo (Progressive Insurance)
Kim Possible vs. Inspector Gadget
Porky Pig vs. Miss Piggy
Crash Bandicoot vs. Sonic
 
Retrotator1 said:
Here's a question for fun.

What are some of your favorite battles between your re-creations?

mine are:

Mr. Clean vs. Shrek
Yogi Bear vs. Winnie the Pooh
Arnold (Magic School Bus) vs. Flo (Progressive Insurance)
Kim Possible vs. Inspector Gadget
Porky Pig vs. Miss Piggy
Crash Bandicoot vs. Sonic
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UNCLE SAM VS. JESUS. Separation of church and state ftw.
 
There are probably other funny battles I can come up with eventually. I tried to see how many battles it would take to have all my characters fight the rest of my characters and I think there's about 1225 possible combinations for a save file of 50 creations.
 
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Recreations can often infuriate me trying to be accurate. A subjective analogy of mine would be, frozen pizza put in the oven is delicious(well made recreation CAS). Homemade pizza when made right, is to die for(an Original CAS).

In general, I personally prefer OCs because I can fuse ideas together and make something I call my own. I mean, I have free reign to take Kokoro from Dead or Alive and Asuka Kazama from Tekken to make something new based on those ideas.

Occasionally, I make something that doesn't borrow ideas from existing characters. However, those are extremely hard to pull off like making a pizza from scratch(I can't cook however). Recreations are fun too, but I rarely keep all mine. They're nothing but experiments that I test out. Ones I do keep tend to be of my interest while the rest goes into the dump.

I have a greedy nature of wanting to claim an art, and I can't claim what has been claimed. In short, I often feel like I'm selling myself short when I get too close to the recreating than being original. Being original is a double-edged sword though.

Just my opinion.
 
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I've gotten a little more used to customizing in Tekken Tag 2 now. I'm starting to move on to Tekken, but I might still might do a few SC5 creations sometimes.

Here a few costumes I made with Tekken Tag 2:

Inspector Gadget team:
Yoshimitsu as Gadget
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y516/retrotator1/Tekken Tag/IMG_04641_zpsb3d908f1.jpg
Kunimitsu as Penny
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y516/retrotator1/Tekken Tag/IMG_04651_zpsc27c2fe2.jpg
Wreck it Ralph team:
Jack as Ralph
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y516/retrotator1/Tekken Tag/IMG_04661_zpsfbc09f07.jpg
Kunimitsu as Vanellope
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y516/retrotator1/Tekken Tag/IMG_04671_zpse8d1cabd.jpg
 
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@Retrotator1

I agree with what has been posted here by all of you, here is my view on this :

The best recreations aren't the most accurate ones, but the ones that capture the spirit of the original and add the artist's unique touch to it.
Can be a technical gimmick, creative use of ExEq, alternate color schemes or sticker works, face construct, hair style, gender swap etc.
A world of possibilities to make a recreation original, the rest is mostly academic work that lacks the punch to wow any of the regular CAS lurkers or artists here...

Then another mistake would be to try and do things that bear no sense, trying to do Rayman or Puss'n'boots is fine, but not if it looks like someone wearing a goofy disguise, there are other options the most obvious one being using the meow suit and working your way out of limitations with stickers and ExEq. You have to make design choices and artistic choices.

I hope you'll pardon my bluntness, but after looking at your latest recreations, i deem you nowhere near the uppper limits of the technical mastery of the editor.

I would point you towards, Darknemesis whom i recently discovered and who is a good example of how to do recreations that look complete whacky/goofy up close, but are incredibly creative in terms of ground build/design, and more importantly, probably work great in game from a distance, and fully capture the spirit of the original somehow.

Another different species of recreator is Chobek, always looking for fresh recreations (meaning fuck Link and FFantasy and go for historical characters, barely known superheros etc.) with a more sober yet very accurate approach to recreations (but of course, they have two brains where you only have one :P)

Sure, there are less whacky alternatives, and i have made my share of more realistically built and textured recreations myself, but still and even if i would never choose that art direction as i like things to be neat, clean and coherent in my CAS, i dare say there is sometimes even more thinking outside the box involved in his roster.

I too love artistic debates, my thread is so full of them i really don't think people were just chilling, it is just that it takes a lot of time and to actually create CAS or comments/reviews that are good enough to trigger that kind of discussion. Besides, most people moved on or lost interest because SC5 is an old game now, CAS creation outlived its hype, but barely, judging from the amount of posts here...

Now as the last few posts are slightly off topic feel free to copy paste what you got from us old farts and start your own thread and artistic debate with it, it is copyright free :))
 
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@brucege @VILARCANE @Pocky-Yoshi

Thanks for the comments.
I agree and I learned a lot from you guys. :)

Sorry if I've cluttered this thread a little. I still have more that I want to say sometime, but we can see about continuing the conversation somewhere else if you want.
 
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This is a CAS discussion thread, Retrotator1.

Intro means introduce or tell someone who you are before chatting.

Vent as in discuss the CAS problems you have now or later and vent about CAS with some off-topic chatter.

As long as it doesn't get out of hand or someone posts something that's not allowed on 8wayrun( such as hacked CAS stuff, porn), I'm lenient to allow people to hold long artistic debates and stuff.
 
I have a big thread idea that I want to try. I actually wanted to try it ever since I first joined, but It was too hard for me to describe at the time.

How about an archive thread for recreations made any member who wants to add them. It'll be like a huge custom guest character roster that members can add their recreations to. I think it can somehow have a text list of characters with each name linking to a CaS picture of the character. We can even slowly collaborate on characters by making a few suggesions and changes once in a while. It may also be convenient for someone who wants to learn how to make a character that one of us made before.

The main thing I might need help with is learning how to make text that will link to just one CaS picture.
 
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Unfortunately, it seems you can't edit old posts, so I don't think such a thread, as good of an idea it is, would be feasible. If I really do need a recreation though, I can always just type it into that search box in the upper right corner and limit the search to the CaS forums. I've done the same to look up lotsa memorable CaS, both recreations and originals. Advance search ftw.
 
Good point about how the edit featue doesn't last long. I'm glad that there's a good search feature though.

Most of what I like to do with CaS is to simply put custom guest characters in SC5, but I understand now that it will take more creativity than that to make creations interesting for the experienced CaS artists here. I'm not sure when I'll be ready to make original characters yet, but I'm thinking about changing the way I make and post some of my recreations.

With my recreations I'm thinking about adding extra things that were not in the original costume. For example: adding a hat that fits with a character who doesn't normally wear a hat.

As far as posting my creations, I'm not sure if it's best to post all of my creations or only post my best ones. My original plan was to post almost everything I make just in case someone enjoys it, but sometimes, I may be satisfied with minimal or odd recreations that others won't like.

I'm also thinking about replacing my current gallery with a new one since I learned how to directly attach pictures and I can be a little more organized with my posts.
 
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With my recreations I'm thinking about adding extra things that were not in the original costume. For example: adding a hat that fits with a character who doesn't normally wear a hat.
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@Retrotater1, your enthusiasm for CAS is laudable, and I don't mean to insult you.
But the approach you mention, down to the example, is a classic case of doing something "new" without doing anything:

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Just a suggestion, but maybe you could put your effort into a "Lisa Lionheart" instead?
 
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@Retrotater1, your enthusiasm for CAS is laudable, and I don't mean to insult you.
But the approach you mention, down to the example, is a classic case of doing something "new" without doing anything:

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Just a suggestion, but maybe you could put your effort into a "Lisa Lionheart" instead?
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lol! I didn't expect The Simpsons to have a scene literally just like what I wrote!

There's more to the plan than just that. We'll see how things go.
 
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Add, subtract, multiply, divide, and VOILA! You have an original! So get out there and experiment to your heart's content! If you're dead set on recreations though, you just gotta remember your priorities. Sexiness > accuracy. So if it's accurate but looks like shit, change it. "Looking like shit" is usually just lack of detail or too much empty space. For that all you gotta do is slap on some random jewelry, belts, feathers of strength, or pocket stickers. Works wonders. Oh ya, use as much DLC armor as you can cuz they got lotsa detail.

Exhibit A:
cammy2.jpg
Blue sweater: check.
Legs: check.
Necktie: check.
Random belts: check.
Random pocket stickers: check.
DLC: check.

And that's how it's done lol.
 
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