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Here's your problem

I give up. 13 wins 170 losses with Jin. I can't win at Tekken no matter who, what, where, what control type (pad or stick), skilled or unskilled. Just cannot win.

What are you doing playing Jin? Drop him and go with his alter ego, DEVIL Jin!

^_^

You will not be dissapointed my friend, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

*looks at animefreak* O_o*
 
I give up. 13 wins 170 losses with Jin. I can't win at Tekken no matter who, what, where, what control type (pad or stick), skilled or unskilled. Just cannot win.

At my local arcade scene, our cards usually look like these:

Guys who are new: 300 wins, 800 losses.
Guys who are advanced: 500 wins, 800 losses.
Guys who are considered to be just at tourney level: 1500 wins, 2500 losses. (My win count is 1500, but my losses are over 3000. I only have about a 40+% win ratio. *sheepish grin*)
Guys who are tourney regulars: 3000+ wins, 1500+ losses.
Top guys: 4500+ wins, <2000 losses.

So 170 losses is a very, very small amount for Tekken. Very small. Don't quit just because you're losing, just see which moves are doing you in, know their frames, then learn what you can punish with.
 
So with the new patch out has anyone noticed that a red bar is a good connection? and also that people quit the session now that its available...a lot..
 
I give up. 13 wins 170 losses with Jin. I can't win at Tekken no matter who, what, where, what control type (pad or stick), skilled or unskilled. Just cannot win.

pick a different character dude...
also, dont be so defensive... GET UP IN DERE !!!! RAWR ! (=';'=)
 
Here's your problem



What are you doing playing Jin? Drop him and go with his alter ego, DEVIL Jin!

^_^

You will not be dissapointed my friend, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

*looks at animefreak* O_o*

goodness friend, why dont you just whore the back spinning kick or whatever the mishimas have? that used to work on me all the time until i learned to guard properly xD. keep practicing and dont give up, that game is very different from SC4. just keep at it man

Bruce is pretty good..so is bob...i play julia and raven mostly.if u have an old favorite from a previous tekken game...they really havent changed all that much

dont feel bad. every1 has that fighting game that they suck at compaired to others. tekken takes a lot more practice than SCIV anyway...a lot of moves to learn(yours and ur opponents) 40 characters with 100+ moves a piece and ppl have many different ways of playing the same character...learning curve is huge

Edit: of course u could always try different characters as well. jin just doesnt seem like ur cup of tea...i was using jin at 1st then i started messing around with julia and i naturally kicked ass with her(at least more so than with jin) then i stumbles into raven who i also feel more comfortable with....and bruce...then law...then hworang....those are the characters i use

pick a different character dude...
also, dont be so defensive... GET UP IN DERE !!!! RAWR ! (=';'=)

First off, I hate Devil Jin with a passion. Secondly, I can't Crouch Dash worth beans. Don't know how. Been trying since Tekken 3, still can't do it.

I'm not liking Bruce all that much. Too many of his juggles are difficult for me to pull off. Julia I'm not interested in. Don't like Bob or Hwoarang. Not finding Raven all that interesting either.

Jin doesn't have u/f+4,4,4,4. Only Kazuya does. I fall for it every single time. Not really interested in playing Kazuya, either. And I've been told to stay clear of Heihachi.

Tried playing Leo... 94 losses, 0 wins. I did say earlier in this thread that I don't even know where to begin with the character. The 4 moves listed in the thread helped, but that's not enough to go anywhere with her. The Tekken Zaibatsu info isn't helping me either.

Tried Lili, found her somewhat interesting, but... meh, I'd rather play someone else.

I sit in practice mode, practicing moves and combos until I can get them off well-enough. I even improv my combos and memorize those to try out. I get a good mastery on the move list before I take the character into battle. I don't pick up everything from the character via the practice mode, but I try to get a firm grip of some basic stuff. As I hope to improve, I'll go back into the practice and further my skill with the character. Of course, that really isn't happening.

In an actual fight, in a real true fight, it all falls apart. If I try to be offensive and start the battle off with Jin's d/f+1, I eat a counter hit. I try Jin's 2, 4, I lose out to some other poke. Try 1+2, I whiff it. Can't get 1, d+3,4 off. b+1,1,2 is risky as is b+1,2. Not sure what else I can start with. CD+2? Usually its interrupted. As an opening round move, it's about the only CD I can get off at the start of a match. As for the rest of the match, well I have dozens of replays and I upload new ones regularly, you only need to check my profile and download the 3 new ones I put up daily. You can see what goes wrong there.

Not sure what else to say. If Jin is bunk for me, and the above roster I mentioned aren't ones that I like or enjoy playing, then suggest another character for me to try. I'm willing and able to try and improve in some way or fashion and I'm not afraid to experiment or try a new character. But there are several characters in Tekken that I'm keenly not interested in playing.

So don't bother mentioning these guys: Feng Wei, Roger Jr. Eddy Gordo, Christie, Mokujin, Jack, Lars, Alisa, Steve, Paul, Law, Ganryu, and Wang.
 
You did not say Panda/Kuma. Pick the Bears. They're really easy to use and have some flavor to them.

You can also pick up the Spaniard Miguel.

Finally, there's always King/Marduk if you want some grapplers.
 
What's going on with psn? It's taking a full minute to search for an opponent who ends up having 1 or 2 bars when I set the priority to connection quality and gives me people with ranks on the other end of the spectrum when I set the priority to rank. Is online that dead already or does the patch not work? And what's the deal with the blatant skill difference between ranked and player match? 90% of the people I play on ranked have a win rate of over 55%, and most of the people on player match are idiots that never even block. IIRC, my win rate is 45% on ranked and 60 or 65% on player match.
 
@Windstar: Okay maybe u need a break lol.

-Crouch dash: If you cant crouch dash i don't know what to tell u practice until master, don't go straight online try going against the computer in different lvs in practice mode.

-Hell sweeps: Learn to crush and parry. If you don't know how to parry just time d/f with your opponents low attack, every character can low parry. If you can't crush i don't know what to tell you except work on it, I mean how do you play soul calibur?

-Forums: Tekkenzaibatsu helped me improve my xiaoyu, anna, and lee greatly. Its also helping me work on my eddy, and alissa atm. So you need to ask the right people, go to a different forum like (sdtekken.com) (iamtekken.com), or just try working on it alone cause in most fighting games i've never had a trainer to actually help me.

Yea its good to know combo's and, get well adapted to your opponents moves but your gonna also need tricks, strategy, frame data, safe moves, tech traps, how to get off the ground properly, oki, just attacks, and buffering, (things you guys may be familiar with from sc already).

If you need more help check out neorussels youtube he has great tutorials on tekken.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ne0Russell
 
What's going on with psn? It's taking a full minute to search for an opponent who ends up having 1 or 2 bars when I set the priority to connection quality and gives me people with ranks on the other end of the spectrum when I set the priority to rank. Is online that dead already or does the patch not work? And what's the deal with the blatant skill difference between ranked and player match? 90% of the people I play on ranked have a win rate of over 55%, and most of the people on player match are idiots that never even block. IIRC, my win rate is 45% on ranked and 60 or 65% on player match.

red bar connections are for some odd reason good now man. always take them up. and as far as the rank thing goes i think that ones pretty broken as well. Ranked is where for the most part some serious players go. But i dont know anything for sure because i dont have psn i have live :/ good luck though friend
 
first, whoever says DEVIL JIN is a viable fall back needs to STOP, DJ is so bad and stupid it isn't even funny, so SHIN you need to eat more lasers yourself and stick with Hwoarang.

2nd everyone should play Hwoarang lol
 
You're calling my main, bad and stupid? O_o HA!!! Still have those feelings of hate lingering when you played against my gaypprentice i see and now you're hatin on my Devil Jin. (or Devil Gay as you would say) Well, he isn't easy to just pick up, but neither is anyone else in the game if your dedicated, however, i assure you, Devil Jin is solid investment. I gaurantee you that you will be in the minority if you learn him because 95% of all Devil Jins online that i've played flat out suck. I guess you and the characters i play will never see eye to eye. TOO BAD >=p

And Hwoarang might be a little too hard for most people to learn, especially when learning his stance transitions and JFSR. Even you're still having problems with it i presume so let me try to help a lil since you said you wanted tips last time we played.

JFSR: f,n,4~d/f

when practicing the input, you should usually have 1 of 3 results:
JFSR if done correctly
RFS if done too slow
d/f+4 if done too quickly

Now, depending on your result is what you need to work on. If you keep getting d/f+4, slow the 4 down a little bit before the d/f. If you keep getting RFS, quicken the time for when you press d/f after the 4. Keep practicing this way and tightening up the execution and you'll have it eventually.
 
first, whoever says DEVIL JIN is a viable fall back needs to STOP, DJ is so bad and stupid it isn't even funny, so SHIN you need to eat more lasers yourself and stick with Hwoarang.

2nd everyone should play Hwoarang lol

Phahahaahahahaa hwoarang hahahaha....oh wait i hope youre not being serious...then this would be akward..Id much rather play as DJ than as Hwoarang...any day...ever
 
Just wanna say Tekken is fun. Yoshi is as fun as always. Devil Jin>Jin imho. Like they say, "give into the dark side".
Asuka is beautiful. Leo, Bob, Alisa, Lili, and Xiaoyu are also cool. Hell the whole character roster is decent.
Oh and Hwoarang imho is like Yun and Maxi had a baby and this is the result >.>
Excuse my intrusion.
 
first, whoever says DEVIL JIN is a viable fall back needs to STOP, DJ is so bad and stupid it isn't even funny, so SHIN you need to eat more lasers yourself and stick with Hwoarang.

2nd everyone should play Hwoarang lol

Did DJ get gimped that much? I know he can't really get the same damage off hellsweeps anymore, guessing he's the weakest Mishima now? Oh well, it's online and he has a hellsweep period, mash that shit harder lol.

You guys shouldn't take online matchups so seriously, you know.
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Jin doesn't have u/f+4,4,4,4. Only Kazuya does. I fall for it every single time.

Missed this one lol. I think you need to worry less about reading stuff on forums if this is the case, and go back to just trying to relearn fighters from the ground up. A move like this, I mean there's no trick to it. It goes low after the second hit, you block low and punish.

Now if ONLINE is screwing you up, then that's one thing. But if you eat this offline, stop trying to analyze stuff. You just need to figure out how to get some kind of hand eye coordination going, there's nothing to figure out about a move like this. You just block it and hit him back. Forum posts have useful info sometimes, but they're not gonna push the buttons for you.
 
First off, I hate Devil Jin with a passion. Secondly, I can't Crouch Dash worth beans. Don't know how. Been trying since Tekken 3, still can't do it.

I'm not liking Bruce all that much. Too many of his juggles are difficult for me to pull off. Julia I'm not interested in. Don't like Bob or Hwoarang. Not finding Raven all that interesting either.

Jin doesn't have u/f+4,4,4,4. Only Kazuya does. I fall for it every single time. Not really interested in playing Kazuya, either. And I've been told to stay clear of Heihachi.

Tried playing Leo... 94 losses, 0 wins. I did say earlier in this thread that I don't even know where to begin with the character. The 4 moves listed in the thread helped, but that's not enough to go anywhere with her. The Tekken Zaibatsu info isn't helping me either.

Tried Lili, found her somewhat interesting, but... meh, I'd rather play someone else.

I sit in practice mode, practicing moves and combos until I can get them off well-enough. I even improv my combos and memorize those to try out. I get a good mastery on the move list before I take the character into battle. I don't pick up everything from the character via the practice mode, but I try to get a firm grip of some basic stuff. As I hope to improve, I'll go back into the practice and further my skill with the character. Of course, that really isn't happening.

In an actual fight, in a real true fight, it all falls apart. If I try to be offensive and start the battle off with Jin's d/f+1, I eat a counter hit. I try Jin's 2, 4, I lose out to some other poke. Try 1+2, I whiff it. Can't get 1, d+3,4 off. b+1,1,2 is risky as is b+1,2. Not sure what else I can start with. CD+2? Usually its interrupted. As an opening round move, it's about the only CD I can get off at the start of a match. As for the rest of the match, well I have dozens of replays and I upload new ones regularly, you only need to check my profile and download the 3 new ones I put up daily. You can see what goes wrong there.

Not sure what else to say. If Jin is bunk for me, and the above roster I mentioned aren't ones that I like or enjoy playing, then suggest another character for me to try. I'm willing and able to try and improve in some way or fashion and I'm not afraid to experiment or try a new character. But there are several characters in Tekken that I'm keenly not interested in playing.

So don't bother mentioning these guys: Feng Wei, Roger Jr. Eddy Gordo, Christie, Mokujin, Jack, Lars, Alisa, Steve, Paul, Law, Ganryu, and Wang.

I noticed your av has Kilik (who I also use in SC). Leo and Feng are your two closest bets to Kilik "feel-wise", but none of them have Kilik's long-ish range style.
 
Whats the Online etiquette for playing this?

I know throws is one thing, not to be spammed cuz of the online lag.
what about lows? and spamming out 10 hit "combos"?
 
First off, I hate Devil Jin with a passion. Secondly, I can't Crouch Dash worth beans. Don't know how. Been trying since Tekken 3, still can't do it.

I'm not liking Bruce all that much. Too many of his juggles are difficult for me to pull off. Julia I'm not interested in. Don't like Bob or Hwoarang. Not finding Raven all that interesting either.

Jin doesn't have u/f+4,4,4,4. Only Kazuya does. I fall for it every single time. Not really interested in playing Kazuya, either. And I've been told to stay clear of Heihachi.

Tried playing Leo... 94 losses, 0 wins. I did say earlier in this thread that I don't even know where to begin with the character. The 4 moves listed in the thread helped, but that's not enough to go anywhere with her. The Tekken Zaibatsu info isn't helping me either.

Tried Lili, found her somewhat interesting, but... meh, I'd rather play someone else.

I sit in practice mode, practicing moves and combos until I can get them off well-enough. I even improv my combos and memorize those to try out. I get a good mastery on the move list before I take the character into battle. I don't pick up everything from the character via the practice mode, but I try to get a firm grip of some basic stuff. As I hope to improve, I'll go back into the practice and further my skill with the character. Of course, that really isn't happening.

In an actual fight, in a real true fight, it all falls apart. If I try to be offensive and start the battle off with Jin's d/f+1, I eat a counter hit. I try Jin's 2, 4, I lose out to some other poke. Try 1+2, I whiff it. Can't get 1, d+3,4 off. b+1,1,2 is risky as is b+1,2. Not sure what else I can start with. CD+2? Usually its interrupted. As an opening round move, it's about the only CD I can get off at the start of a match. As for the rest of the match, well I have dozens of replays and I upload new ones regularly, you only need to check my profile and download the 3 new ones I put up daily. You can see what goes wrong there.

Not sure what else to say. If Jin is bunk for me, and the above roster I mentioned aren't ones that I like or enjoy playing, then suggest another character for me to try. I'm willing and able to try and improve in some way or fashion and I'm not afraid to experiment or try a new character. But there are several characters in Tekken that I'm keenly not interested in playing.

So don't bother mentioning these guys: Feng Wei, Roger Jr. Eddy Gordo, Christie, Mokujin, Jack, Lars, Alisa, Steve, Paul, Law, Ganryu, and Wang.

hmm. i don't think you're getting the most out of practice mode. it's not only for memorizing input commands and juggles, but for improving your timing and your anti-character knowledge (including your own character).

so if you are losing to Kaz's u/f+4,4,4,4 every time, as you say, then the solution is to select him as your practice mode opponent, go into defensive training, and have the cpu do that move while you block. over and over until you don't even need to think about it. that move is very visible and has no mixup, so this shouldn't be a difficult or very lengthy exercise at all.

personally, i don't think attacking at the beginning of the round is a very good strategy. that aside, i think you might be a little late in your execution if 2,4 and d/f+1 are losing to other things. but there is a general problem with all the options you listed-- they all lose to a b,b~d/b. so from your description it's hard to tell why these moves aren't working for you. how often do you choose a defensive measure at the start of a round?

in general, from your post it sounds like you need to focus on the application of your move set (what move to use in which situation), your defence, and anti-character knowledge.

as far as characters to use, you have to use one that suits your style of play, or one that you just like in a more personal way. Jin is a solid overall character with a great 10f punisher in 2,4 , but i don't think he's exceptional in any one area. here's a link to understanding some of Jin's moves in T6:BR
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=114795

if aggression is your thing, you might find success with Nina or Anna. they're fast poke characters, as i'm sure you know. otherwise, Bryan is a good character too, and Lee as well. i'd say Lee and Anna are the simplest of these. it's hard to suggest a new character tho, since you haven't given any criteria other than "not Jin" ;-)

EDIT: here's a very thorough and awesome breakdown of Jin:
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=111806
 
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