SC Community needs to move on....

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Does nobody like my idea?!?1

MARCH APRIL MAY

We do a Spring Qualifiers. All this means is that said region will run a tournament. #1 Gets winnings and "hopefully" joined the tournament deciding to go to GAMME (EC) or DEV(WC).

So those who played in a tourney will get a seed in the Majors. Those who want to join are free to do so, but not gauranteed a seed.

Then you have a Top 8 from both tourneys. I don't think the pot winnings will stretch that far, but after these two tournaments, we can run a NORTH AMERICAN (or INTRNTNL) Nationals, at EVO or some other Major event. Somehow maybe we will get enough funds for a decent pot.

If not, then I guess We can only do an EC and WC NATs, with EVO being the "All Star Game".

Anybody!??! Or are we simply moving on.
 
Malice: Your info is baseless. Hilde and Algol don't win. Debatable? Lol its fact! No tournament cause Hilde/Algol? Seriously ur info is baseless. Where's the evidence lol. Hilde/Algol at NEC10 is responsible for 3? vs. 89? Is this what u believe? Lol! This is how baseless rumors and myth's get started. I'm sure all the other million factos had nothing to do with it lol that should be obvious lmao.

Jaxel: More enjoyable. To the complainers yeah. To the competitors not so much. I see a fairly even split maybe falling more into the casual complainer side. Reducing loss of players? How many will u reduce losing supposedly? How many have u lost because of it and will u possibly lose? So far the latter seems more plausible lol. At the end of the day do whatever but don't act like ur decision is the be all end all. Cause no one has agreed except the people who had already agreed with u. In fact Canada although not U.S. has made it clear no bans and we all know they are a portion of U.S tournaments.

In fact if I wanted to find a venue for SC4 I would not ban anyone. The fact is u could then blackball me but it would make no difference to me as u would be blackballing the very thing ur trying to improve. This statement is just an example of how ur tri-state ban thing won't float.
 
Something-Unique said:
The best player in that area/region is Ceirnian and are u telling me he has to accept the fact that in his own region he can no longer use Hilde because one East Coast SC member says so going two years into the game. That is so wrong on so many levels. Talk about an immense disservice to the community that is still present.
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And what makes you say he's the best player in the west? HILDE. I betcha Hates, KrayzieCD and others are more skilled.

Why are people saying it's too late to ban characters now? Didn't your mother ever tell you the saying "better late than never"? The people who use Hilde and Algol know damn well they were bein some dirty mother fuckers. Ask RTD if Hilde is broke, or Algol even. He uses them BECAUSE they're broke. Amy is cheap but she's beatable because technically you can make about every single thing she does unsafe if you defend her correctly.
So, are Hilde and Algol banned at GAMME or not?
 
I believe he said that before Jaxel made his statement about them two being banned. Then Idle said he'll support what everyone wants, so I'm not so sure what the rules are.
 
SU, if you wanna go all partisan and not get your share of the fucking money I'm about to pump into the scene on PRINCIPLE, be my guest.

GAMME is my responsibility, and I will determine the rules AS I SEE FIT. That's the bottom line, because I said so.

-Idle
 
Wait are u referring to the my tournament venue approach thing and not letting me participating in the SC GAMME tournament.

Or are u referring to me quoting ur quote about no bans at GAMME. Because if thats the case i'm quoting what u said.

Or are u referring to both. Because then u would be telling me if i'm interpreting correctly that if i chose to run my own venue with the no ban rule u would blackball me from GAMME SC.

Do I have this correct?
 
No I'm saying if you wanna stand on principle against the bans and not attend tournaments that have them, your missing out on guaranteed money pots that I'm gonna start doing. If you choose to run your own venue, fine, good luck with that. But it seems like an awful waste not to get paid because your standing up on a principle that nobody seems to care about.

TL:DR: Money talks, and bullshit walks.

GAMME will be run with whatever rules I deem it to be run. I haven't decided whether to keep GAMME the way it was or change it due to the new community "ruling" yet; but rest assured that's my descision and when I decide what it is; I'll make an announcement.

TL:DR GAMME is my tournament and I will do what I like.

-Idle
 
Belial said:
Ban Hilde.
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sWoRD_LoRD said:
And what makes you say he's the best player in the west? HILDE. I betcha Hates, KrayzieCD and others are more skilled.

Why are people saying it's too late to ban characters now? Didn't your mother ever tell you the saying "better late than never"? The people who use Hilde and Algol know damn well they were bein some dirty mother fuckers. Ask RTD if Hilde is broke, or Algol even. He uses them BECAUSE they're broke. Amy is cheap but she's beatable because technically you can make about every single thing she does unsafe if you defend her correctly.
So, are Hilde and Algol banned at GAMME or not?
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i hate to agree with his ass....but he's right. SU, name me a time he was even on the scene and ACTUALLY did something?

don't worry i'll wait :D

OOF: that was good

Dreamkiller: see what i started??
 
sWoRD_LoRD said:
I believe he said that before Jaxel made his statement about them two being banned. Then Idle said he'll support what everyone wants, so I'm not so sure what the rules are.
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Point made.

IdleMind said:
No I'm saying if you wanna stand on principle against the bans and not attend tournaments that have them, your missing out on guaranteed money pots that I'm gonna start doing. If you choose to run your own venue, fine, good luck with that. But it seems like an awful waste not to get paid because your standing up on a principle that nobody seems to care about.

TL:DR: Money talks, and bullshit walks.

GAMME will be run with whatever rules I deem it to be run. I haven't decided whether to keep GAMME the way it was or change it due to the new community "ruling" yet; but rest assured that's my descision and when I decide what it is; I'll make an announcement.

TL:DR GAMME is my tournament and I will do what I like.

-Idle
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Ah I see. Well the main reason i'm not attending the east coast tournaments now is because of the bans. Not to mention there is no money in them. I still stand by the principle though.

But ur statement "TL:DR: Money talks, and bullshit walks" couldn't be more true. So if u are indeed throwing out guaranteed cash prizes that appeal to me. I sure as hell would be there. I'm not gonna bullshit to that extent. I'm not gonna run my own venue it was just an example if I did.

GAMME is ur tournament and thus u can do what u like. Never argued against it and the same rule applies to any tournament organizer hence the reason Jaxel's statement means nothing to me about bans cause it holds no weight unless the organizer agrees. Just quoted what u said. If it changed then it changed and vice a versa.

But since ur keeping it honest money does talk and once again if it appeals to me I will be there. I don't mind being the guy who travels to Hilde/Algol ban tournaments if only a good payout is on the line because well I will make good money. The bans are still shitty otherwise though and if there's no real money to be won fuck em.

I sound like such a villian/ass. But I love it.

Chickenwing said:
i hate to agree with his ass....but he's right. SU, name me a time he was even on the scene and ACTUALLY did something?

don't worry i'll wait :D
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Who Ceirnian? When he was there he won damn near everything over there.
 
Chickenwing: You would be 100% right then but whats the point. Thats another thing that is stupid. He chose Hilde. He won end of story. I'm not part of the scrub mentality club that says such and such individual only wins because of their character.

On that note I leave this thread saying ur welcome IdleMind. My controversial behavior has spurred more interest in GAMME for SC. That u cannot argue :) Besides that 1. Those who support the bans and cry about Hilde I stand by the ur weak as a competitor statement regardless of who u are (hate me more). 2. If u stand by it doesn't matter, its a whatever much respect to u as a competitor as no one can knock u for it. 3. If u oppose the bans for integrity and principle much much respect to u as a competitor (we are in the same boat).

Other than that much respect to u all in real life as my opinions about the quality of most of u are different. Don't misinterpret as this and real life are 2 different worlds to me and I respect everyone as long as they respect me.
 
Vincent said:
I was inspired by Something-Unique's comment on competition being a joke without everything allowed. That's usually what the argument was back in SC3 as well. Such a player would be in favour of absolute chaos, which would've looked something like this:
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What you call chaos I would call order. The real chaos is what we've got in the SC community right now, where people start going crazy banning all kinds of things and it goes down an endless slope. Once you start banning stuff everyone starts to argue about specifics and things (ex: hilde legal stages etc) and it never ends.
 
But it seems like an awful waste not to get paid because your standing up on a principle that nobody seems to care about.


Favorite part of this thread. Read this twice.
 
The problem is that most of you don't think intelligibly. It's much easier to make a quick decision and ban shit right away, then gradually, after folks do more testing and developing familiarity with certain shit while playing casually, decide if they want to unban it or not. The "if it's in the game, it's fair" mentality is beyond stupid. What if all of Hilde's moves were unblockable? People will say, "yea, she's beatable though, you just can't let her attack, and JI everything she does." Get outta here with that shit.

SC3 VC's and X's whatever she had was nothing compared to SC4's problems. Lizzy VC was obviously somethin to ban, but everything else was perfectly manageable for competitive play. But still yet, if most agree they want a ban in the beginning, ban it, then gradually make a decision to unban. Pisses less people off, keeps more players playing.
 
SU: you know imma give you shit whether you're right or not. In which in that case you are right. I'm just reiterating Sword's point. Ceirnian was a nobody until he chose Hilde. Was it his fault? no, but he's clearly stating just give him AND RTD another character to play with and the result would be as Follows (in case of a FT10)

RTD - 10
Ciernian - 3

That's his arguement.

Tiamat: just read my signature man. It's all there in 1 simple sentence. With that being implemented, your theories (i'm not calling them stupid btw) wouldn't happened, and if they started to appear they would be squashed. (just go back to my post earlier in this thread to where i quoted 4 people and shut them down because all of their arguements/suggestions were irrevalent.

Sowrd: once again you're right (see...and why do you give me such a hard time?) That is a stupid mentality, hence it goes back to my statement in my sig. Also, my rule earlier in this thread. But then again that rule was shot down by Jaxel. Now hey, he's basing his rule off of multiple tournaments that has been running that same rule for awhile now. Great for him.

However Malice is right about something. It is CLEARLY evident that the SC community can move on due to the way it responded to VC in SC3. How so you ask? Well the Tri-State area as well as TX (don't know who did it first, but it's irrevalent at this time..) ran SC3 with Post-GI VC. WHY???? because the community was already adapted to G2 in SC2. And the rest of VC was done. Which meant no more Asta VC, no more Setsuka VC, no more BT throw VC, and all others. Grant it, Chicago didn't know what the fuck they were doing....but the damage was done. And we as a community moved on.

So.......

why can't the community do what SU suggested? (title of this thread...)

i heart you SU
 
S-U on the contrary I believe hilde-users win only b/c of hilde. ONLY b/c of hilde. Its hard to prove though, b/c if a person main hilde and use other character even when they lose they say "its not my main char and you win with your main char" I vow I can DESTROY any hilde user if he use another character. I mean like 10-0 or something like that. And If I use mitsu vs their secondary, I'm not sure if they'll win a single round. I already proved that vs hilde of france who used to be top 5 of france with sophitia until recently. And I played 20-2 with his sophitia. His ex-main! But if he picks hilde it will be the other way around. People I've been totally destroying pick hilde and suddenly I'm helpless. Even though I wasted 3 months of hard practice to learn to beat her its still not enough even to make me win more than 2 out of 10.
I can play RTD or Ceirnian secondary char with Yun Seong who's also not my main and also is a low tier. I heard RTD use Mitsurugi as secondary char, so if he's up to it I'm going to prove it to you all. If you have the guts to face the truth.

I'm through this "hes still a skilled player", "not taking anything away from mr X he has skill" and "if that is broke why aint everyone winning" bullshit. Skill? There is NONE in playing this bitch. There is no fun in playing with her. She is the sole reason hardcore pro players leave the stage. Scrubs come and go, but when someone who's been playing for years (like Aris or Vicious and many others all over the world) quits b/c of this bullshit you're quick to say he couldnt "get over" or "step up his game". I laugh at this. If I had the time to learn a new game I would long ago. I dont care about SC anymore since that shit is around. I dont go to local tournaments. Call me a whiner. Tell me to step up my game. Call it a butthurt. Go ahead. But the problem isnt me. The problem arent all the players who quit. Problem is that this good game totally sucks. B/c of that bitch. Its not fun to use her. Its not fun (and frustrating) beating her.

Yeah and they love to tell cool stories "I'd be playing her anyways b/c she's hawt" or "I picked her up b4 I knew she's broke" LOL. If I, say. liked mortal combat, and bought the game its totally fine. But playing MK competetively? Give me a break.

^ I wonder why did I even wrote this wall of text. those words fall on deaf ears.
 
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