Framework for re-establishing SC4 on a global scale!

Bboy leave that shit alone bruh. It's already been shown that whole voting and asking every joe schmo what he thinks won't work. I'm really disappointed in y'all down there. I don't like nothing I heard about what happened down in my beloved TX. I can't say much as I wasn't there but Angel y'all talk a lot, step up dude, fuck a next time.

Yo. Don't look down your nose at me brah. lol I was told it was ALL under Control and Taken care of. I hate that it was in Texas that this shit went down but ahwell. I'll be involved next time and You know I'll make shit happen. You dig.

Not asking for people opinions. I was saying a POLL. Where you vote. Then base the Rules off of the Poll. No questions asked. BUT!!! After seeing people, new people. People who used to play until they saw what Hilde can do. Quit playing and get all pissed all over again, was pretty much. Sad. It hurt me to see them loose like that. Though Nori and his GodLike Cervy taking out the Hilde trash, I'm sure there will be debacles. I just wanted to see a no questions ask. Poll to where you vote. Nothing more, nothing less. I've seen those polls on SRK and I'm sure we can see it here. It's a community thing and we can move forward on a decision where everybody's voice can be heard.
 
I have a couple questions and concerns...
Concerning the Hilde/Algol bans, are they going to be up in discussions/have they been up again for discussion? If so, who's deciding the decision because I've heard people saying the decision rests in four people's hands. My concern over this; shouldn't a decision effecting the community be decided by the community?

I understand that, for whatever reason, Hilde/Algol bans are still a touchy subject...but there must be a way to compromise within the community. As someone very new to the offline community, I still feel my opinion matters seeing as I'm making efforts to travel, especially seeing as NorCal willl be holding tournaments. Also, I will be making efforts to travel to the EC when/if this revival is successful.

Any help with my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Bans or no bans will be discussed at some point and time. But tbh bans or no bans are relevant imo only if it stops one from competing on both sides of the equation and both have their negative aspects. It has nothing to do with this character is broke or stupid and or I like or do not like this character. The decision will be based upon attendance only and people like Enkindu with his random post (I don't know what for i'm still laughing at it) will only be relevant if he or she travels or is travelling to tournaments. For the record Enkindu has not travelled to tournaments since SC4 started so for the most part he's ignored especially when he's sending out threats lol. But again its not a loneshark decision.

It's worth pointing out though that Japan apparently which is still the most shocking info in this thread has a respectable scene according to Talim_JP with no bans. Canada has no bans and no one has quit because of them. In fact its the same with France but the ruling was put in place just because of a voting thing. TX in the states is alive as ever with no bans. Just something to think about.

Other stuff:

First post edited. If I forgot u please let me know.
 
Bans or no bans will be discussed at some point and time. But tbh bans or no bans are relevant imo only if it stops one from competing on both sides of the equation and both have their negative aspects. It has nothing to do with this character is broke or stupid and or I like or do not like this character. The decision will be based upon attendance only and people like Enkindu with his random post (I don't know what for i'm still laughing at it) will only be relevant if he or she travels or is travelling to tournaments. For the record Enkindu has not travelled to tournaments since SC4 started so for the most part he's ignored especially when he's sending out threats lol. But again its not a loneshark decision.

It's worth pointing out though that Japan apparently which is still the most shocking info in this thread has a respectable scene according to Talim_JP with no bans. Canada has no bans and no one has quit because of them. In fact its the same with France but the ruling was put in place just because of a voting thing. TX in the states is alive as ever with no bans. Just something to think about.

Other stuff:

First post edited. If I forgot u please let me know.

Omar, you just don't seem to get it do you. The more voice you give to this idea that the bans are actually up for discussion; the more people will get the idea WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK WE ARE DOING. Much like how the bans are not designed to say this character is broke, therefore banned, the public IMAGE of the rules situation also has a similar effect.

You created this thread with the intent of moving forward, and kudos on that; but you before you can say "Yes we can"; there has to be some measure of solidarity in SOMETHING.

Please, think about this. That's all I'm asking you.

-Idle
 
Let me correct you there SU.

Hilde and Algol are banned in Texas. We make exceptions for "PLAYERS," when we see fit. For example if RTD or Whodat want to show up we will probably ban Hilde and Algol.

I played Algol sure, but I played my Algol, no bubble shield, just combos. And I didn't lose because I wasn't playing him right, I lost because I wasn't doing my gameplan right.

What we do here is for the growth of the community. What happens at the higher levels of SC4 is entirely different.

Don't fuck with Majors.
 
You have no idea what you're doing, SU. The fact you take a jest as a threat and want to ignore people who you say don't travel to tourneys without doing any research shows it. I'm not going to prove you wrong. I'm not supporting this idea any longer. It's a waste of time if you want to go through another banning discussion. You can't possibly think the people watching at home enjoy watching good Hilde and Algol matches. You're not even thinking about the big picture. You'll never be a good leader for this community.
 
Ok.

Final verdict for the East Coast. Hilde and Algol will remain banned on the East Coast. Its done and finalized. That's the stance i'm taking as the new leader for the East Coast!

No need tampering with what has already been done whether the results have been good or bad.
 
Jaxel: Unless I am missing something, I don't understand why you and SU can't get on the same page, being on the EC. What is the major problem between you 2?

I'm going to do my part in TX and for the most part, bans will be in place. I'm saying "for the most part" because TX does not have any top Hilde/Algol players so there is really never a need to worry about it. If it's a major and we are expecting a large number of people, then bans will be in effect.
 
Jaxel: Unless I am missing something, I don't understand why you and SU can't get on the same page, being on the EC. What is the major problem between you 2?

I'm going to do my part in TX and for the most part, bans will be in place. I'm saying "for the most part" because TX does not have any top Hilde/Algol players so there is really never a need to worry about it. If it's a major and we are expecting a large number of people, then bans will be in effect.

See the problem I have with this is, "WHAT IF?" somehow someone shows up to one of these minor tournament and wins with a Hilde or Algol then just to tell them later Ohh sorry you cant do that shit in the majors, I'm sure that person would quit all together. Wouldn't it be best just to have the Ban laid down from the get go that way there is no confusion for later events. Its just a thought, and i do agree about the part were a Hilde match and algol match does make our game look poor and boring to the average spectator that may be considering picking the game up..Well that's my thoughts anyway.
 
JD is just whining...my algol is clean. Don't care about other algol players as long as I play mine how I do.

Jaxel
Whether or not namco goes forward with SC5. We will still play the game. And if they truly do go forward with a sequel, this community above all others requires a frame work, to make it work.

We have screwed up far too many times, organization is needed to the highest degree now more than ever. You all better start forming ideas on how you going to bring all the regions on the same page.

You should also look at the free tournament model, that was implemented at Quakecon, if you want to bring new players to the game. We paid for the pot sure, but we had a hell of interest for a supposedly dead game.
 
JD is just whining...my algol is clean. Don't care about other algol players as long as I play mine how I do.

Jaxel
Whether or not namco goes forward with SC5. We will still play the game. And if they truly do go forward with a sequel, this community above all others requires a frame work, to make it work.

We have screwed up far too many times, organization is needed to the highest degree now more than ever. You all better start forming ideas on how you going to bring all the regions on the same page.

You should also look at the free tournament model, that was implemented at Quakecon, if you want to bring new players to the game. We paid for the pot sure, but we had a hell of interest for a supposedly dead game.

King Ace is trash
 
kingace...we HAVE organization. lol. events are still, and have always been in the works. framework? necessary? sure. but i'd like to see it come from those who have proven themselves to be competent TO and community supporters in the past.

as far as the free tournament model...it is great but it has flaws. first of all, pots have to come from somewhere. if not entry fees then from sponsors. as a TO you have to draw a line between what you want from a sponsor, and how far you are willing to let them push you. quakecon, your example, is a great example. sure, the free tournament drew players. i am positive it enticed other gamers already in attendance to enter. i am sure it boosted numbers by quite a bit. on the other hand, and i mean no disrespect to those who clearly worked their asses off to make this happen, but it made a situation of accessibility to TV's and machines. it made a situation of availability of setups for casuals. it took the time control out of the hands of the calibur TOs, and it cost us-the viewing online community- the standard and expected benefit of a stream to follow. i am not sure if i would call that a positive model to follow at all.

as far as overall community organization, i think i speak for many when i say that as individual groups, we have done quite well of working toward growing our own nodes, and also of coming together as a whole. to be told that "something needs to be done" by someone who has not lifted a finger in the past to help existing efforts is, quite frankly, a slap in the face. basically if you want to help organize future events and community prospects, you have to begin with what is already in place, not cast stones at it. feed your local community, then plan greater things.
 
Im sure we could have a "FREE" tourney and still ban the characters and STILL make a big Buzz about it. With all the bans that SSBB has, they had a huge amount of people join. Just like all the other games. Cause They were FREE! N e who. I'm still all for the Ban as well. Seeing the new people that signed up at QuakeCon and then losing to Hildes was just SAD! I was like, cool. Look, new blood. I wonder who they gonna pick, where there from. But then lost to the Banned characters and People walked off PISSED AND Cussing there sailor mouths off. It was sad and I was not happy with what I saw. It was almost like they needed to see a shrink right after. Mumbling shit like, SCalibur.... aircontrol...... not fairr..... ^$#%^$&^%^%#%&^^*&^&*(&*(&*^&*^$@$!!! It was an ugly scene.
 
kingace...we HAVE organization. lol. events are still, and have always been in the works. framework? necessary? sure. but i'd like to see it come from those who have proven themselves to be competent TO and community supporters in the past.

as far as the free tournament model...it is great but it has flaws. first of all, pots have to come from somewhere. if not entry fees then from sponsors. as a TO you have to draw a line between what you want from a sponsor, and how far you are willing to let them push you. quakecon, your example, is a great example. sure, the free tournament drew players. i am positive it enticed other gamers already in attendance to enter. i am sure it boosted numbers by quite a bit. on the other hand, and i mean no disrespect to those who clearly worked their asses off to make this happen, but it made a situation of accessibility to TV's and machines. it made a situation of availability of setups for casuals. it took the time control out of the hands of the calibur TOs, and it cost us-the viewing online community- the standard and expected benefit of a stream to follow. i am not sure if i would call that a positive model to follow at all.

as far as overall community organization, i think i speak for many when i say that as individual groups, we have done quite well of working toward growing our own nodes, and also of coming together as a whole. to be told that "something needs to be done" by someone who has not lifted a finger in the past to help existing efforts is, quite frankly, a slap in the face. basically if you want to help organize future events and community prospects, you have to begin with what is already in place, not cast stones at it. feed your local community, then plan greater things.

What organization? What you're saying now is greatly affected by Jaxel's annoucement some days ago. For many of you, you had zero faith in this game until Jaxel's post gave you some hope. You can say we have organization, but when SC5 hits and the numbers absurdly increase you will realize who false that really is.

The model that was run at Quakecon failed, because it underestimated the turnout for the FGs, and they were too many FGs to begin with. We didn't need fucking Smash, 3rd Strike, or MvC2 there. SC4 and Tekken 6 both had bigger participants than most of those games and we didn't even get to the stream. Hell T6 is newer and we beat it out by a TV lol. And even then I am sure if SSF4 had started earlier or later, shit could have turned out better. The pot came from the community, and Monsters Arcade.

Back to this organization that you speak of. Leadership in this community doesn't exist. It's easy for us to get things done when they're fewer players, but when it's crowded like it was at the beginning, its pretty much chaotic.
We can't let the community divide itself like it did for both SC3 and SC4 in ban wars.
If people have concerns we have to be quick to address them, in both previous cases, nothing was done until the damage was. When the time comes you think it will be easy for us to quickly decide what's best for the community's growth? I doubt it.

Running Nationals, hmm yeah. Good Luck with this one.

The one thing I hate is the cluster fucking of majors, everyone just wants to have a major apparently. If we can spread them out somehow, it's better for everyone. Maybe get a schedule marking all major events happening each year in their respect dates, ahead of time.

If you want to get something done, you can't WCMaxi it. Especially these days, you might end up banning a ton of people. What you have to do is get Regional Directors on the same page.

BBoy
Lol did you hear Bats raging after his Hilde failed against Soupy's Yoda? Shit was hella funny.
 
Ok after reading a number of posts here's what i think needs to be said:

To everyone posting to Jaxel: Stop, it's CLEARLY obvious he isn't going to respond because of some vandetta he has against SU. So if your tag name doesn't begin with "something" and ends in "unique", he won't acknolwdge you.

Nori: That post is irrevalent, you beat 2 Hilde's that dont play the game often (ok...maybe 1) and played an Algol that doesn't Bubble shield you. That's not an accomplishment.

About unbanning: That idea is not necessary. Yes, i even thought about bringing that up, but what was said was right. If we did that then it goes to show why we're looked down upon because we can't make up our minds. Voting should be only directed to the following: Regional Tournament Organizers. Why? because it's fucking obvious that since they're going to host tournaments, then they should be the ones to make the rules. That idea also relates to Nori as well as a few others to having some type of "committee"

Soft Banning - That shouldn't be an option. don't make exceptions to allow the player to play the character. It's like what i've been preaching. Make a rule, make it universal. If the character is banned, she's banned. It sucks yes, but unless we start seeing balance patches, don't be stubborn and stick to that character.

Jaxel (i really should be following my advice): The reason why this thread is continuing to go is because people really want to see a revival even if it does or doesn't mean that SU said he did it. He knows good and well that it takes a COMMUNITY to revive itself, not one person. So for you to say that is utterly stupid and shouldn't have been said to begin with. Honestly, you're making it seem like you're pissed off because you didn't do this. Honestly, stick to what you're good at. Improving this website and make it user-friendly in case we do happen to obtain new players espicially for SC5.

Enkindu: Love ya bro, but those posts were a little unesscessary. Come on, i know you don't make threats like that :D

TX Players: STOP SAYING WE UNBAN THINGS FOR THE PEOPLE. That alone goes to show that we don't support the rules that the community establishes. This is what i hear
"TX makes it's own rules because we don't care about what the national ruleset. We do it for the people, if they want amy banned, we ban the bitch. If we want custom chars only, we make it happen. If we want a low tier tournament with only Rock or Talim, then dammit that's what we do!!"
Honestly i'm sick of hearing that. We have a ruleset for a reason, stick to it.

As you can see, i'm not loving anyone in this post, whether it's my people or not. The reason why i'm saying so much is because it's the truth (unless i'm proven wrong.)

*sigh*

that's all for now. Everyone let's continue to grow this community
 
I don't think anybody will be bringing up the banning subject anymore. My plans are to have a SC Major in january that will feature other games as well (ssf4, t6) and maybe those players will want to play. I also plan on putting top 8 on the stream (was supposed to happen last time but was out of my control), that way non-SC players can see what this game is like at high level.
 
CW I feel left out.

I think this thread is actually starting to go in a productive direction.

-Idle

Idle, it's nothing against you good sir. It's just that i'm @ work, so i can't say EVERYTHING that i want to say

:D

Nori: i'm not saying people are still bringing it up, i'm saying that it shouldn't have been brought up.
 
I'm considering making SC4 free in January and the others (ssf4/t6) you pay for. If it's free, it can still be done right if it starts early w/4-5 setups. It will entice non-SC players to enter to try it out at the very least. The hardcore players will have the option to donate to the pot as well.
 
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