The Siegfried Q & A thread

No - its a combo =P
SRSH K_[K] is perfectly legit, as is SRSH A+B by itself, HOWEVER mixing them up at close range is online BS because if the opponent crouches for the K and you do A+B, offline you can react to it and stand for the mid, online its a free KND and it pisses me off, lol.
At close range, mixup SRSH K_[K] with SRSH B.
At long range use SRSH A+B for SG damage.
You can also use it in oki - NH WS(B), 6B+K, SRSH A+B is a force block for example.

If you mean if the SRSH [K] is blocked and you then do SRSH A+B, even online its easily interrupted, so I wouldn't call that a lag tactic - I call it a free combo XD
 
That's pretty common - SRSH B yeilds more damage than SRSH K on hit, so standing is less risky.
Newer players don't even know about SRSH K though, let alone punish it - so spam it on them ^^.
 
So, I'm not really sure where to put this... but I was playing SC4 the other day as Siegfried in 1P against CPU, and I executed a B+G grab, but what ended up happening was an A+G grab with strange camera motions.

What is this I don't even
 
haha i'm not sure i can really provide insight to a glitch like that rt0wn, i've never even seen or heard of such a thing before.
 
simple...either your PS3 or SC4 disc is possessed...exorcise them immediately!................It was just a glitch. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
I'm curious as to the reality of how viable Sieg is in a competitive setting. I've seen dozens of videos of tournaments but good Sieg players, or even Sieg players period, are rare. I main both him and Sophie and consider myself equally skilled with both. I know Sieg's high risk, high reward. Is that just it, he's too risky to be effective in a tournament setting, or is there more to it? I ask because I'm competing in a tournament this weekend and have upped my practice with him.
 
he is viable in a competitive setting, its just that he is very difficult to play at that level. honestly if you do enter as siegfried, i would hope that you choose a secondary character to compete with as well (your sophie) for the exclusive purpose of defeating ivy and sophie. sophie is easily siegfried's worst matchup at 8-2, meaning the only way you're going to win is if A) the sophitia player doesnt know the matchup, B) you are extremely lucky and played extremely well, or C) you outclass the sophitia player in terms of skill by a couple of miles. ivy on the other hand is 7-3, and while sieg has a couple of these, and the fact that he can compete alright with ivy in the hands of a seasoned player, you yourself have the ability to use sophie, which would save you a whole lot of heart ache which is caused by that matchup.

but although these are two relatively steep obstacles, sieg is completely viable in competition because he is adaptable due to the fact that he has a good amount of tools for a good amount of situations, he can space out most characters very easily, he's difficult to punish at far range, has strong SG, has a good amount of mixups that help penetrate through the opponents guard, he has an obscenely strong CH game, and one of the best TC launchers in all of SCIV. his weaknesses are his slight lack of speed, his lack of safety, and the holes in his offense that are created through weak spots in his stances. his oki game is average, but his wakeup game is very strong if your opponent is dumb enough to stand up against you. he's surprisingly strong at punishment, and very strong at whiff punishment. all you need to know are the holes of his stances, and how to close those holes.

you also need to know specific strategies to combat each character, particularly revolving around either spacing or rushdown. and you need to use some very high level mindgames if you want to be successful.

so basically your focuses should be:
  1. CH fishing - this is the bulk of your damage. period. siegfried is fairly weak on NH. 3B. use it, love it, and for the love of god, do not throw it into your opponents guard unless at tip range. if you're throwing out alot of blocked 3B's, you're doing something wrong.
  2. Spacing - moderately far range, but not quite tip is preferable for offensive strategy, tip for safety and poking, close for rushdown and mixup
  3. Mixups - goes hand and hand with spacing
  4. Mindgames - these basically enable your mixups. they also allow you to bait for whiff punishment, which can also lead to mixups on wakeup, or some oki mindgames. this can also include SG damage, which can bait unsafe moves for punishment. also, make your opponent earn your respect of frames.
  5. know your own weaknesses - if you know when and how you can be retaliated against, especially while in stance, then you can learn how to set up situations to deal with it. know what stance can be stepped what direction when and how. know what's safe, know what's not, and especially know what your punishers are. also siegfried may have very strong verticals, but you have to remember to control your opponent's step. not that you need to kill it every time, but if you can make your opponent fear stepping with tools like iagA, 6A, 3A, and CH iWR A/AA, it allows you to abuse your stronger moves with more confidence.
Sieg is pretty solid against most of the cast. he can even compete against his 6-4 and 7-3 matchups fairly well if you play your risk, reward, CH fishing options properly. if you still need further convincing, i'd look at some of the vids from competition that include pantocrator, synraii, or sacharja; or better yet even try talking to them about strats and the like.

Of course, if your going to compete with him, you probably already knew most of this, if not all of it.

So i'd definately say he's effective and practical in a competitive setting, but he definately requires alot of work and knowledge to win, which does indeed make your life a little difficult. that, and pray you don't meet a sophitia player.
 
Siegfried is capable of competing at tournament level. Just be prepared to have a counterpick ready for Sophitia, Ivy and possibly Astaroth players - I recommend Kilik.

If you want a shot at winning, I would say stick to Sophitia, but this of course depends on the level of your opposition and your own abilities. As a tournament player - albeit not the best by far, I consider Siegfried a character capable of winning tournaments, but one of the weakest characters avble to achieve tournament wins.
Look at Pantocrator and Keev - Siegfried and NM players and top 5 in France, where the competition is at its highest. He certainly is just as competitive as Xianghua and look what MTFighter did at summer jam in the 8 vs 8, y'know?
Siegfried never gets strong representation, period. Its what makes us so cool - me, Panto and Sacharaja were repping Manfried at EBO and we were totally the coolest guys there, lol. What you have to understand is that with Siegfried, you don't get lucky wins - you simply have to be better than the opponent, there's no way around that.

Could you PM me a few videos of yourself and I'll give you some pointers to your style if you want? Good luck btw. =)
 
Siegfried is more high risk/medium reward in my opinion.

Depending on who you ask, Siegfried is both mid tier and bottom tier at the same time. Mostly people going "lol all u hav 2 do is AA him out of everything lol", which is apparently what a mid tier character is made out of.

Part of the problem is the fact he is high risk. He has a lot of unsafe things, his safe options are weak, and if you want to do anything esxcept 2A and B6 you are going to have to be unsafe at some point. Another point is that his stances are rather easy to shut down on block - there's not a lot of chance of reverse mixups with SBH or SCH.

You also have to contend with the fact there is a large chance that your opponent is probably playing a character that is safer, more damaging, has better mix-ups, or a combination of the above. Essentially, most of your fights are going to be uphill battles, what with higher tiers being more prolific at major tournaments. So to beat someone, you basically have to completly outplay them at every level, which some would point out is a lot easier with higher tierred characters; the argument can be made that if you can beat anyone with a mid tier character, you would probably dominate them with a high tier character, so go play Amy instead.

Of course, this is just speculation. I'll see if I can't get some other, more experienced people to weigh in on it.

EDIT: Oh wow, look at that Siegfried player hivemind.
 
I disagree, Heaton.
You definitely have to work for your wins with Siegfried, but he's defenitely better than you just gave him credit for IMHO. Don't forget, Siegfried has one of the best mid range spacing games in SCIV: 33B is safe vs anybody who isn't a TAS B cunt at tip range which is then mixed up with ag:A. Both break the guage in 15> and both pose little risk if the opponent evades them at mid range for the most part. At close range, you can fish for a CH if you want, but I prefer to just trade my ag:A's for throws. So my opponent blocks 3B at point blank, big deal - I eat i15 damage, max. This doesn't scare me vs. most characters. Besides - if I do my job properly, they won't block it anyway. ag:A is a good whiff punisher when you're not prepared to gamble on an 88B and his RO game is severely underestimated.

Solid character, has his flaws, has his strengths. In tournament play, I feel comfortable using my Siegfried against any:
Amy
Astaroth
Cassandra
Cervantes
Kilik
Lizardman
Maxi
Mitsurugi
Nightmare
Raphael
Rock
Seong Mina
Setsuka
Taki
Talim
Tira
Voldo
Xianghua
Yun Seong
Zasalamel

I will however condier switching to Kilik or Setsuka when playing:
Ivy (I'd go with Sets here myself IF the Ivy was good enough to seriously worry me, but only a handful of European Ivy's can do that: Malek, Ring and Scud to name them.)
Sophitia (She gets Kilik every time)
Yoshimitsu (Bad matchup for me as a player - I feel better with Asura ^^)

3 Characters I would consider counterpicking? Sounds competitive to me XD.
 
Synraii said:
I disagree, Heaton.
You definitely have to work for your wins with Siegfried, but he's defenitely better than you just gave him credit for IMHO. Don't forget, Siegfried has one of the best mid range spacing games in SCIV: 33B is safe vs anybody who isn't a TAS B cunt at tip range which is then mixed up with ag:A. Both break the guage in 15> and both pose little risk if the opponent evades them at mid range for the most part. At close range, you can fish for a CH if you want, but I prefer to just trade my ag:A's for throws. So my opponent blocks 3B at point blank, big deal - I eat i15 damage, max. This doesn't scare me vs. most characters. Besides - if I do my job properly, they won't block it anyway. ag:A is a good whiff punisher when you're not prepared to gamble on an 88B and his RO game is severely underestimated.

Solid character, has his flaws, has his strengths. In tournament play, I feel comfortable using Sieg against:
Amy
Astaroth
Cassandra
Cervantes
Kilik
Lizardman
Maxi
Mitsurugi
Nightmare
Raphael
Rock
Seong Mina
Setsuka
Taki
Talim
Tira
Voldo
Xianghua
Yun Seong
Zasalamel

I will however switch to Kilik or Setsuka when playing:
Ivy
Sophitia
Yoshimitsu (Bad matchup for me as a player)

3 Characters I would consider counterpicking? Sounds competitive to me XD.
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Damn!!! You really kno your stuff!!! Dont forget that Sigfried has the most Strongest Attack when compared to other people that were in SCIV
 
Isaiah said:
Damn!!! You really kno your stuff!!! Dont forget that Sigfried has the most Strongest Attack when compared to other people that were in SCIV
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Actually, his dameage output is fairly low:
On normal hit, he packs one of the weakest puches in the game and on CH, it is good but not great.
Consider this: If my opponent stood still and did nothing I could score 80ish damage (B+K, SBH B, 66B), Sophie gets close to 130 from a FAST move.
If I blocked a -24 move that left me standing at close range, I would get 60ish damage, Voldo gets a minimum of 70 from close or mid range at -16 upwards.
Hate to break it to you dude, but damage-wise... He sucks.
 
Isaiah said:
Out of all fof the SC's, Sigfried's armour in SCIV was the best.

IZZY
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*cough* soul cancer! *cough*

you know, maybe i should start a thread for:

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VS​
Siegfried-schtauffen-in-soul-calibur-4.jpg

But in the End, we all know this wins:​
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Synraii said:
Actually, his dameage output is fairly low:
On normal hit, he packs one of the weakest puches in the game and on CH, it is good but not great.
Consider this: If my opponent stood still and did nothing I could score 80ish damage (B+K, SBH B, 66B), Sophie gets close to 130 from a FAST move.
If I blocked a -24 move that left me standing at close range, I would get 60ish damage, Voldo gets a minimum of 70 from close or mid range at -16 upwards.
Hate to break it to you dude, but damage-wise... He sucks.
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I said that wrong because i used to have a Sigfried as a created chracter and he had a good attack. a strong attack take the opponets SG low. So I said that really wrong. My fault. On your end, Your right.

IZZY

Slayer_X64 said:
*cough* soul cancer! *cough*

you know, maybe i should start a thread for:

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VS​
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But in the End, we all know this wins:​
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OMG that too funny!! that deseves a like.LOL

IZZY

Merged posts together - no double posting.

Syn
 
Its Ok, you're new so I'll let you know how it works in a SA. =)

First and foremost, 8wayrun is a community site for the competitive SC community. By competitive I mean tournament play and offline competition in general. Casual players are just as welcome as the hardcore, but in SA's the input is strictly a focused section for practical use, 99% of the time for offline. As such, everything goes under the assumption that you are playing offline to tournament standard: Standard vs. (No stat changes or abilities) 3 rounds to win, 60 seconds.

If you play Special versus, that's cool - it doesn't get enough rep here if you ask me, but if you have ideas about that sort of thing - I recommend going here. You might find some buddies to take you on in special, who knows?
In any case - in the SCIV SA's, we try to stick to solid theory and hardcore based subjects, friend.

Welcome to the Siegfried SA in any case bro.
 
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