Top 3 characters by Keev, Akire, Daishi, Hyrul, and RTD from World Finals

Interesting stuff. I find it funny how aPat should be the best but isn't because he's near impossible to use. Wouldn't that be a character flaw, and thus, make him not that great?

Also, I strongly believe Siegfried is not nearly as bad as people are saying. I've had a lot of success with him so far, but then again I'm not a top player nor am I probably playing top players. All the same, I think buffing the supposed lower tier characters would be better than nerfing all the top guys. Natsu, on the other hand, could use a solid nerf; her power and range are ridiculous.
 
can we please get off of the nerf natsu bandwagon!?! did you not see how she got nerfed already in the first patch?

you have 1 reliable way to land her big combo and its off of a CH WS K where else is the big damage coming from? please dont tell me bombs and invalidate any say you have on the matter. i'd really like to see where all these players are getting their awesome damage from.
 
Sorry, have to disagree there. Natsu is still ridiculously powerful in even novice hands. She isn't quite at the point of button mashingly easy to play but she's definitely not too tough to pick up. Its not big hits or anything necessarily that are the source of her big damage, its the easiness of her ability to get in and combo out of nowhere consistently, IMO.
 
you didnt say anything just now. i asked you to give me moves and examples of where this damage is coming from.

she does not have an easy time getting in, her quick moves do piddly damage and only give minor advantage on hit, you shouldnt be pressing buttons on hit for these pokes to be adding up. her BB and 3KK do low 20s damage and her AA does 18. compare that to someone like mitsu who gets 34 damage off of his BB at the same speed and gets +4 instead of +2 like all of natsus main pokes. (BB, 3KK, AA are all +2 on hit)

the only case you might have is with 66B and i still think the move is warranted considering how so few of her moves break the 25 damage mark and many are subject to the guts system that kicks in at the end of the round.
 
Belial said:
What this game needs is a serious damage nerf for most characters, nobody should be able to win a round by guessing correctly 3 times , like NM or Mitsu.
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I agree here. But I think NM can pretty much win off two 50/50s but is in a much worse spot than Roogi is if he guesses wrong. I think thats what Daishi was trying to get at.

PastaManROFL said:
Interesting stuff. I find it funny how aPat should be the best but isn't because he's near impossible to use. Wouldn't that be a character flaw, and thus, make him not that great?
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Viper in Ultimate and Seth in AE say hi.
 
kAb said:
you didnt say anything just now. i asked you to give me moves and examples of where this damage is coming from.

she does not have an easy time getting in, her quick moves do piddly damage and only give minor advantage on hit, you shouldnt be pressing buttons on hit for these pokes to be adding up. her BB and 3KK do low 20s damage and her AA does 18. compare that to someone like mitsu who gets 34 damage off of his BB at the same speed and gets +4 instead of +2 like all of natsus main pokes. (BB, 3KK, AA are all +2 on hit)

the only case you might have is with 66B and i still think the move is warranted considering how so few of her moves break the 25 damage mark and many are subject to the guts system that kicks in at the end of the round.
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I can't give you moves off the top of my head because I don't play her but I'll look into it.
 
DoctorForHire said:
Viper in Ultimate and Seth in AE say hi.
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Except Seth tends to do really well in tourneys and go far, he certainly isnt so difficult to use that it stops people from using him and doing great with him. He just has glass cannon status so you need to be really offensive and careful with him. Viper is a different story, most likely because Marvel is a game designed around abusing the most powerful strategies available and being able to land them consistently. Also partly because of laziness and people just want to use Wesker.
 
Belial said:
What this game needs is a serious damage nerf for most characters, nobody should be able to win a round by guessing correctly 3 times , like NM or Mitsu.
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Half my life in two hits? Oh but it costs meter...I guess that makes it okay.
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Omega said:
Look who are you? are you even qualify to say that Keev, Akire and hyrule, and also me included are wrong? mi hermano vayase a banar y deje de hablar mierda, im tired of scrubs talking like they know more than everybody else learn the game and then demonstrate, if not shut up.
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Considering i just started in the scene and still made it to top 8 at NCR i'm not completely "Unqualified" like you're saying. Clearly i cant demonstrate right now as the next event in the west coast area isnt for a while, but this high and mighty attitude of "who do you think you are" isnt helping. However you shouldnt think of opinions as wrong in the first place, you were asked for who you thought are the best in the game and some people dont agree with it. It doesnt mean that your thoughts on the subject are wrong, just that some people dont agree with it. Stop being such a drama queen, making a huge deal over a simple question.
 
taffertier said:
Considering i just started in the scene and still made it to top 8 at NCR i'm not completely "Unqualified" like you're saying. Clearly i cant demonstrate right now as the next event in the west coast area isnt for a while, but this high and mighty attitude of "who do you think you are" isnt helping. However you shouldnt think of opinions as wrong in the first place, you were asked for who you thought are the best in the game and some people dont agree with it. It doesnt mean that your thoughts on the subject are wrong, just that some people dont agree with it. Stop being such a drama queen, making a huge deal over a simple question.
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Well the attitude of saying, It doesnt really matter what ANYONE says, is not gonna help you either, so lets see whis got the wrong attitude.
 
Omega said:
Well the attitude of saying, It doesnt really matter what ANYONE says, is not gonna help you either, so lets see whis got the wrong attitude.
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I say that because in the case of tiers it really doesnt. Tiers are formed based on a characters tools and their performance in tournaments. What matters most are results and actual data, this is how tiers get formed in the first place. You can argue some of the details but in the end what matters is how the characters perform. At least this is my understanding of how tier lists are traditionally done. I certainly never heard of a character that can do so well in so many events and not be on the upper end. This early on it might be too soon to call someone the absolute best or among the best, but disregarding one that has such a powerful presence doesnt make a lick of sense to me.
 
Age_of_Truth said:
Not to mention Ω, Astaroth, Cervantes...
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To be fair, I think if Asta didn't do this much damage given his Russian roulette nature, he would be much worse off than any of the other characters listed here were they given damage nerfs. In general however (as I saw you post in the Podcast thread as well) a universal damage nerf is probably warranted all around. Not enough time to cache reads/tendencies in short tournament sets (2/3 games).

Edit: That wasn't you, that was Signia. Whoops.
 
IdleMind said:
To be fair, I think if Asta didn't do this much damage given his Russian roulette nature, he would be much worse off than any of the other characters listed here were they given damage nerfs. In general however (as I saw you post in the Podcast thread as well) a universal damage nerf is probably warranted all around. Not enough time to cache reads/tendencies in short tournament sets (2/3 games).

Edit: That wasn't you, that was Signia. Whoops.
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In Asta's case i dont know how i would feel about a damage nerf to him. Like you said he kind of needs the damage he does, right now he seems to be a pretty strong character. But i think this is all before players are starting to explore and really utilize Just Guarding and the new Guard Impact change. I do agree that a damage nerf across the board would be for the best.
 
taffertier said:
I say that because in the case of tiers it really doesnt. Tiers are formed based on a characters tools and their performance in tournaments. What matters most are results and actual data, this is how tiers get formed in the first place. You can argue some of the details but in the end what matters is how the characters perform. At least this is my understanding of how tier lists are traditionally done. I certainly never heard of a character that can do so well in so many events and not be on the upper end. This early on is might be too soon to call someone the absolute best, but disregarding one that has such a powerful presence doesnt make a lick of sense to me.
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Thats your opinion its not necesarily the truth, it could be that the players using those characters are really good, in fact all the nightmares winning are 2 players, noface won with nightmare at the end, hyrule won with tira natsu ect, saito has won with asta several tournaments, in japan the 2 that were suppose to come to the world tournament were, siegs and sieg is suppose to be low tier, what matters is the long run not tournaments, good players knows why a char is top and low and its not because of tournaments, hilde was broken as hell and didnt win all tournaments, algol banned too why?, look, lets make this clear, IM NO WORLD CHAMPION THATS JUST A TITLE PUT BY NAMCO, 2 fightss can be won by luck, from what ive seen i was lucky and it was my turn to win, now in a ft 10 thats different, keep track of tournaments and you will see, that alpha won one now in france, leixia has won tournaments, ect.
 
Omega said:
Thats your opinion its not necesarily the truth, it could be that the players using those characters are really good, in fact all the nightmares winning are 2 players, noface won with nightmare at the end, hyrule won with tira natsu ect, saito has won with asta several tournaments, in japan the 2 that were suppose to come to the world tournament were, siegs and sieg is suppose to be low tier, what matters is the long run not tournaments, good players knows why a char is top and low and its not because of tournaments, hilde was broken as hell and didnt win all tournaments, algol banned too why?, look, lets make this clear, IM NO WORLD CHAMPION THATS JUST A TITLE PUT BY NAMCO, 2 fightss can be won by luck, from what ive seen i was lucky and it was my turn to win, now in a ft 10 thats different, keep track of tournaments and you will see, that alpha won one now in france, leixia has won tournaments, ect.
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I agree that the player definitely makes the character. No matter how good the character is it wont take them far if the person playing them isnt good as well. As seen in other games by players like Justin Wong who can play pretty much anything and do well, even going as far to win with Iron Fist, or Oofmatic with Vader in SC4. In this case it's just hard to gauge the effectiveness of a character alone when there are such good players using them. It makes the character look better than they actually are.

On a side note i dont agree with how Sieg is supposedly low tier, i'm not sure where this idea is coming from if anyone could enlighten me. I know pre patch he was such because of the fuzzy guard but even then he seemed pretty strong.
 
taffertier said:
I agree that the player definitely makes the character. No matter how good the character is it wont take them far if the person playing them isnt good as well. As seen in other games by players like Justin Wong who can play pretty much anything and do well, even going as far to win with Iron Fist, or Oofmatic with Vader in SC4. In this case it's just hard to gauge the effectiveness of a character alone when there are such good players using them. It makes the character look better than they actually are.

On a side note i dont agree with how Sieg is supposedly low tier, i'm not sure where this idea is coming from if anyone could enlighten me. I know pre patch he was such because of the fuzzy guard but even then he seemed pretty strong.
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I agree, dont know much about sieg being low, ive been saying his too good, but i guess in this community you have to do well in a tournament for a character to be good, sieg low tier my ass.
 
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