Sora
[11] Champion
2P Ivy + Black and White color edit = awesome costume.
SCV Ivy FAQ & General Discussion
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neoghaleon
[99] The Cow
What are tournament rules on character creation costumes/ color edits?
SummonCalamity
[08] Mercenary
You must be new to the SC series...Ivy is below average speed...her CE does equal damage as her Embrace of Lust against an enemy with their back turned and her attacks are one of the weakest in the game...her unblockables have been nerfed to an insane degree except for Serpent's Venom and there is almost no hitting with that. Sig and NM have those huge swords that do an insane amount of damage...fine...those swords are big so they have some reach...fine...but they shouldn't be able to move as fast as they do...no where near as fast. Ivy is faster than maybe 2 people in the whole game and a lot of her attacks leave her vulnerable on block and she has lost almost all of her stun combos she had in the previous games. Her quick "sword state" attacks do barely more than tickle the opponent and her "whip state" attacks are extremely slow and widely unsafe...I'm NOT asking for a buff...I'm asking for a speed boost and some type of safety when my attacks are blocked. You'd know if you were familiar with any SC games at all
Ring, please forgive me for this:
Ivy CE is one of the best in the game. You standing up bro? Thnx for 100 damage! >=D
Unblockables aren't viable in this game anyway. Exceptions being Natsu bomb and NM stomp on wakeup.
Speed:
Siegfried's fastest move: i13
NM's fastest move: i13
Ivy's fastest move: i11
NM's fastest mid: i15
Siegfried's fastest mid: i15
Ivy's fastest mid: i14
Ivy has generic 2A
Sieg and NM don't.
In summary, Ivy is unquestionably faster than Sieg and NM, even with most of the cast and slower than only a handful. Her 6B8K would be the best 12f punisher in the game if not for Alpha Patroklos (Punishing -12 with JF Twister being super hard) and Cervantes (aB being launch punishable if Cervy misses the punish window) and its certainly the safest of the 3 vs tight windows you could miss.
Ivy has a great throw game and gets excellent damage with evasive moves. 1K has a STC, 3B a SS, 214B a TC and SS, 9B TJ. Her stun combos in SCIV were never garunteed anyway, you get damage with pokes and the above moves (9B is a poke, but w/e, lol).
Also, you can play a safe Ivy: Throw/2A+B/66A/2A rushdown is a reasonably good set for rushdown and few characters can punish 214B. She can zone, ridiculously well against non-adept block punish characters and has all the tools to get CHs all day long.
In my opinion, you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about. You may have played the series for years, but you evidently have no clue what you're talking about with Ivy, or indeed this games balance.. She is fine as she is. No more buffs, no more nerfs to this character I think. She has a toolset, its viable competitively, in no way OP, but effective. Its ok.
Paranormal_Oreo
[12] Conqueror
I've been playing the series for about 4 years. Not new to it. 44A6 vs BT'ed opponent only. Who gets hit by that as consistently as they get hit be Ivy's CE other than Voldo players? 100 damage is more than most CE's. Thats GREAT damage. She is TECHNICALLY slower than &5 characters and trades with 4. She's pretty fast TECHNICALLY. Not technically, she's about average speed. Also, you ARE asking for a buff. 'Quoting you: I asking for a speed boost and some type of safety when my attacks are blocked.' That's asking for a buff. making something faster or safer is a buff. Lol you're smart.
Paranormal_Oreo
[12] Conqueror
Ahh you beat me to this. Also Ivy's fastest attack is 4B which is i11.
d3troitr3d2k
[08] Mercenary
Is WR B really +9 on block/hit? Training mode does not believe so. Posted in frame thread also.
Ryoka
[09] Warrior
You can only use color edits on default costumes in most rulesets including the official 8WR ruleset. So bumblebee, Christmas, candy cane, zebra etc. 2P Ivy should be fair game.
Not sure how to interpret this other than "Link runs an escort service on the side to fuel tournament expenses."
Meh, I'll try anything once.
garjian
[12] Conqueror
im just doing a little research into one of my least used characters...
6B8 BE does near negligible extra damage... 4-8 at most.
It pushes you away from the ring edge, rather than ringing the opponent out... (unless they are already rung out, in which case, it does not save them... but that makes absolutely no difference and would obviously be a waste of meter.)
Its no faster, and it leaves you in arguably a worse position on the field, out of range for most of her standover mixups... if not all.
im in no way a knowledgeable Ivy player, but this move seems worthless... am i right?
6B8 BE does near negligible extra damage... 4-8 at most.
It pushes you away from the ring edge, rather than ringing the opponent out... (unless they are already rung out, in which case, it does not save them... but that makes absolutely no difference and would obviously be a waste of meter.)
Its no faster, and it leaves you in arguably a worse position on the field, out of range for most of her standover mixups... if not all.
im in no way a knowledgeable Ivy player, but this move seems worthless... am i right?
Ring
Lay still now
It's purpose is solely wallsplat which leads to 150-170 dmg combo.
Ryoka
[09] Warrior
Another purpose of the 6B8 BE is to combo/tech trap into Elysium's CE.
K0rN_b4LL
[14] Master
garjian
[12] Conqueror
oh of course, why didnt i think of that? this is why i usually train in the forests... walls and RO edges...
KineticClash
[10] Knight
Also, since 6B8 brings the other person to Ivy's right side, it might be more useful to use 6B8 BE to push them in front of you. That way you can keep them at ring edge.
smartypants9567
[09] Warrior
SummonCalamity
[08] Mercenary
Evidently smarter than you...a buff is more damage for your attacks...not more speed for your characters Ivy's attack damage is sub-par as compared to other games...she's lost a lot of her technical gameplay..experienced players knows her throws are almost all she has and knows how to duck them and break out of a majority of them. Her attack throws are slow and widely and easy to block..her attacks don't track nearly as well as sig and NM VERTICALS. Yes...her CE does more damage than a lot of peoples but her meter is best spent on her BEs if you've mastered CS which is only 7 weaker than her CE. Zoning is pointless against Sig, NM, Mitsurugi, Astaroth, and "kilik". Ivy is known for her range, throws, and godly combos (which no longer exist in this game). If you're familiar with SC II III and IV Ivy then you should be ashamed to call yourself an Ivy player. I wish you the best of luck hitting with Ivy's longest range attacks in this game...her "whip state attacks" are entirely too easy to block in this game because she has sort of a start up animation to almost every move. Ivy faster than Siegfried? Don't make me laugh...you've never played against a good sig or NM player that mastered their JF attacks. I've played against enough of them to have a good fight and win 85% of the time but let me tell you...Ivy is no longer the Ivy the SC world knows and fears. She's ridiculously easy to play against now no matter who you use against her. I should know...I killed her in 5 hits with NM and she hit me at least 30 times and my health wasn't even in the yellow. Yes her throws are strong...but if you know how to fight against Ivy you know when they're coming and she's too slow to do anything about it. I love Ivy more than any of you which is why I realize how bad her mechanics are in this game...the "improvements" pale to the disappointments.
SummonCalamity
[08] Mercenary
Side note...her voice actor for SC II was the best...ENTWINE is much better than ENSNARE...in my opinion...when I play SCV I play in Japanese voices..."This'll feel good" just sounds...bleh to my friends and me
Paranormal_Oreo
[12] Conqueror
Lol no you're just absolutely stupid. A buff is something helping the character. Not just damage. Think about it. When Someones attack is faster, is that good or bad? Good. A buff. This is a TOTALLY different game. They aren't going to keep a character the same throughout each and every game because someone that plays her wants them to. lol. And so what damage isn't everything. LOLOLOLOL NO. Her throws are not 'almost all she has.' NO. Also, theres called mixing up grabs lol. Her attack throws are meant for range, not speed, and so what, you're bad if you think what matters is the speed. Also, everything is 'easy to block'. Just press G. lol. Ivy's long range verticals don't track or else they would be close to broken probably. No, Ivy tracks better than Sieg(Called king of whiffs) and NM(Has slow ass tracking attacks excluding iagA and 6A). The meter usage part is an opinion. What do you mean 7 weaker than CE? lol Are you saying that the Clean Hit version of CS is 6 damage less than her CE? lol So? Her CE is unbreakable and almost impossible to react to lol. Ivy isn't supposed to be played at long range. Just short to mid range. and LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! EVERY ATTACK HAS A STARTUP ANIMATION! LOL! Ivy is faster than Sieg. Ask another Ivy or Siegfried player that knows what their talking about and see. Mastering a JF doesn't mean much at all lol. And those are just 2 attacks lol not a whole movelist. Who have you fought can play a good Sieg or NM? Who? Names please. Ivy's a bery good character. Not as good as she was in 4, but still very good. It will ALWAYS take less then 30 hits(Excluding grab breaks) to K.O. the opponent. You don't know what you're talking about at all. You don't really know how to play or understand the game. Add me on XBL or PSN so I can prove you don't know what you're talking about. Pick Ivy, Sieg, and NM multiple times and I will do the same to prove you wrong. XBL: Paranormal Oreo PSN: Insidious_Oreo. I suck on PS3 controller though so if I keep on beating you, it will be quite sad.
P.S. you just got pwned be a 13 year old...